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Zona
40426 Posts
Do not make any promises beyond the scope of the current game. I have always had this rule in mind, but since there was no history of players breaking this rule, I did not want to add even more text to the opening post. However, since an occurrence of this situation has just occurred in TL mafia, I must now explicitly specify this rule. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Everyone is saying Zona is mafia and is about to lynch him. To save himself, he posts, "I promise never to play in TL mafia games again if I turn out not to be town." Everyone thinks to themselves, "Well, Zona loves to play mafia on TL, so he wouldn't lie about that. I guess he really is town," and unvotes him. This is against the spirit of the game. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
how am I supposed to place a random start of day1 vote now  | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On March 30 2010 12:08 Foolishness wrote: If you're going to advocate random killing, you might as well advocate no lynch as well. Although I do believe no lynch hurts the town in this setup (if my counting is correct). At any rate, we have 48 hours to talk, it's not like we are pressed for time. As flamewheel has stated, there's plenty of opportunities to do behavioral analysis and there's no need to resort to random lynching. Even if we do pick someone to random lynch, I doubt they'll let it go unpunished and we'll probably end up lynching someone else in the ensuing debate. Voting for no lynch, I believe, hurts the town more than it does to randomly lynch, since the town has no way of method of killing at night due to the nature of the setup. Think about it this way, at least with a random lynch, the town has the ability to force somebody to defend themselves. If we were to randomly select to lynch the medic or detective, it would force them to pay attention and defend themselves. And if it's even just a townie, they'd be forced into activity since the general "random lynch" is to choose an inactive. Common knowledge speaking, it's very anti-town to have lurkers in forum mafia, since they essentially act as a buffer for mafia. And agreed with Foolishness--if there is a random lynch, there will be more posts involved, which leads to more chances for the town to analyze, and more chances for the mafia to slip up. Finally, if you don't lynch, you get no new information--bad for town. In conclusion, while we should eschew from making a random lynch day 1 (and any other day thereafter) I believe it to be more detrimental to the town if no lynch is to be made. Since there is no abstaining in this game, the closest thing to doing so would be to vote for no lynch. Therefore, be wary of people that propose to do this, as for the reasons listed above, this is even more harmful than just voting randomly to lynch somebody. On March 30 2010 12:15 CynanMachae wrote: Random kills aren't going to make it that's for certain, but don't expect to have a whole lot of info for the first lynch either. Behavioral analysis and voting analysis really starts serisouly day 2 and forth. This type of setup never gives much info. We have no clues to work off of, and there are relatively few people. Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. Furthermore, theoretically speaking, not much 'new' information should be divulged from night that was unknown during the day. Mostly speaking, I can see it being some "well this person was X role, why did you vote to lynch him" type of stuff that we should be able to already discern/analyze from the reason said person voted for the lynched during the day. While it is true that the longer a game runs, the more chances there are for any given person to slip up, remember that everybody makes mistakes--not only mafia. While this obviously does not exonerate mafia members from their slip-ups, it means we should still be very careful about how and who we decide to accuse for making mistakes. On that point, I want to reiterate my stance on viewing votes without any discernible basis as suspicious, potentially "scum-tell." | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 30 2010 10:46 Qatol wrote: Lucky Canadian. You don't have to deal with the Erie doctrine. I need to deal with pre-1535 english law because our common law provinces haven't bothered to develop a modern property regime. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 30 2010 13:05 flamewheel91 wrote: So L, since you're here I'm assuming you won't be bringing your grudge against Bill Murray into this game, yes? + Show Spoiler + Especially since you said that you'd given it up in WaW. I'm glad you answered your own question. Also: way to go on throwing down a wall of text to say that we should look at how people behave in order to do behavior analysis and that voting no lynch is bad. In other news: the sky is blue and chocolate is delicious. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
 Petty sniping aside, if we are to follow the old axiom of "obvious statements are obvious" then nothing would be said or done, and there'd just be silent. "Obvious" people need to be called out, "obvious" things need to be clarified [albeit only once]. We've had somebody call for random lynches (should be obvious that we should not?). I gave the "obvious" clarification. The idea of "no lynch" is brought up, which in this case is "obviously" wrong, ergo another "obvious" clarification is needed. Just because you've been around this game for a long time doesn't mean that everybody has, L. And just to say it now: I've never played a game of mafia with you, but from watching you play the last few games I know you like getting in spats with people, either unintentionally or as a very nice form of trolling. To keep to the spirit of the game, I'm going to refrain from engaging with you on that level and keep things objective. As in, I for one will not be arguing for the lynch of Bill Murray just because I | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
So lets introduce the only real topic of discussion that day 1 really has: Who do you want to kill? Since people think I start too many bandwagons, feel free to ruminate on the issue. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On March 30 2010 12:37 flamewheel91 wrote: Therefore, we must pay close attention to posts, and work to catch inconsistencies. If a player you are investigating has played multiple games on the TL mafia forums, go read the games he/she has played in. Check for differences in posting style--"player X posts like this as town, but is very quiet as mafia..." and the likes. I think this strategy is good in theory, but I'm slightly wary over whether it works in practice. We SHOULD be able to spot differences in terms of quality and genuine pro-town content, versus thinly veiled mafia content, in people's posting. But there have been cases where the town misanalysed such behavior (eg. BC in Incog's last game). But then again, the case against BC was built very early on in the game, when basically all BC had posted was his election platform. I guess though as the game goes on differences should be more easy to spot? But for now the best way to catch inconsistencies and get mafia to slip up is for everyone to post post post! (but not spam plz, *cough BM* jk  kthx.) | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On March 30 2010 14:17 madnessman wrote: Woah. Game started already! flamewheel, when did you get so wordy? :p I think this strategy is good in theory, but I'm slightly wary over whether it works in practice. We SHOULD be able to spot differences in terms of quality and genuine pro-town content, versus thinly veiled mafia content, in people's posting. But there have been cases where the town misanalysed such behavior (eg. BC in Incog's last game). But then again, the case against BC was built very early on in the game, when basically all BC had posted was his election platform. I guess though as the game goes on differences should be more easy to spot? But for now the best way to catch inconsistencies and get mafia to slip up is for everyone to post post post! (but not spam plz, *cough BM* jk kthx.)Ever since the last game I played was also my first (on forum). I've been frequenting a lot of different mafia sites since then. @L: As consistent with RoL's games, he's now been here (spammed twice) and not produced anything of content. While this is still early in the game, I want him to step into the light and start talking eventually once everybody else does. Just want him to be present and accounted for. Not to say I want to kill him, but I do want him to talk, since he does produce content (once in a while) on top of "oh haiz(s)." | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I dunno if there is much to post for the first day so ima just say it. ##Vote Flamewheel91## LETS GET THE DRAMA STARTED. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
##Vote L## You are a pain in the ass to read, and I'd rather you be dead. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm## in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. Actually, in the last game I was town... Ace's game... I didn't post nearly as much as I normally do. I am in 4 mafia games currently, college, have a girlfriend, and sleep all day. If you all give me reason to, I will post huge walls of text like I have been trying to recently. I will scumhunt if not scumhunted myself, in which case I will use an AtE instead of returning the FoS. Sure, that may be considered a scumtell, but it is my style of play when I am pro-town. It is what I would want someone to do for me, as I feel like if the scum try this style of play it will appear to be fake and they will not be able to carry forth the energy required to pull it off if it is the case. L, who would you like to see lynched this game? vivi, why the vote for me? you can't blame inactivity, the game just started! flamewheel, what should be some general rules of etiquette the town should follow in your opinion? take into consideration things like roleclaiming, when they should happen (if at all), or gives some general advice, in your opinion, of what someone should do to successfully scumhunt. I am going to be active, though, don't get me wrong! I just got my role PM. I hadn't realized this had started. I am not going to vote seriously yet, but I'll throw one around just for shits and giggles. ##Vote: KF## | ||
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