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On March 21 2010 11:13 XeliN wrote:
Felt pretty guilty in regards to BM, we even played games on iccup together and were chatting together about the game, felt like an evil manipulator xD

On March 21 2010 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Flame, as fun as this was. Way to many blue roles.

When I flipped DT, and incog and L were confirmed as a bus driver and Hatter. I figured there would be one more blue at most (prob vet or second driver).

Having two dts, a med and a vet, and multiple drivers was just too much for this.

Mafia had to many things that could prevent night hits whereas town had equal KP in one night as mafia.

Was still fun, but way to many blues were in this game.

On March 21 2010 11:21 flamewheel91 wrote:


Haha yeah--blue roles aren't that fun, in my opinion. Honestly though, I was just thinking about how one medic would have a hell of a time protecting people with bus drivers thrown in, which I believed would have led to blue sniping instead of the mafia always hitting green (I don't understand why the hitlists were as they were, but meh.) With the two public bodyguards, I had pretty much thought that the medic would be tied up protecting either important targets (like L) or the bodyguards (which is essentially what happened--L was protected first two nights and then BGs die.) On the first night, I was really surprised that L didn't get doublestacked, which would've been massively hilarious, or as I recall L saying to me in XVIII: "because we (the mafia) are such cool cats" when Ver was doublestacked.

Also: Fishball for MVP, baller switch on d3 and Zona led to the mafia having a winning situation for the next period of time, and BM's lynch should've put them ahead (hmm and then during night two more townies hit?)

The roles flipped how they did due to the random number generator, and being the type of person that accepts all kinds of luck (good, bad, otherwise) I just left it as is. Yeah, it was imbalanced, but some games tend to be. All in fun in games though, right? I had hoped that the three "leaders"--Incognito, BloodyC0bbler, and L would try to kill each other. [I actually recall an instant when I asked Incognito over ICQ "what's your next step?" and he replied "get BloodyC0bbler killed."]

Mafia, threadwise at least, were very quiet... and that just lead to the town being more controlled. Once again, even with the imbalanced start the two bodyguards dying during the night would've put the town in a bad situation, since neither BC nor madnessman had released their check results threadwise.

Overall, I'm just glad that people enjoyed the game, even though thread activity dropped pretty low due to things like death and spring break (mlah.) Sorry again for the imba setup, and I believe the next game I host will have no gimmicks.

On March 21 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:
Think he makes a big mistake that I also do, specially in my first game as town, in thinking too much about the game from his own perspective and not objectively

On March 21 2010 11:21 flamewheel91 wrote:


Haha yeah--blue roles aren't that fun, in my opinion. Honestly though, I was just thinking about how one medic would have a hell of a time protecting people with bus drivers thrown in, which I believed would have led to blue sniping instead of the mafia always hitting green (I don't understand why the hitlists were as they were, but meh.) With the two public bodyguards, I had pretty much thought that the medic would be tied up protecting either important targets (like L) or the bodyguards (which is essentially what happened--L was protected first two nights and then BGs die.) On the first night, I was really surprised that L didn't get doublestacked, which would've been massively hilarious, or as I recall L saying to me in XVIII: "because we (the mafia) are such cool cats" when Ver was doublestacked.

Also: Fishball for MVP, baller switch on d3 and Zona led to the mafia having a winning situation for the next period of time, and BM's lynch should've put them ahead (hmm and then during night two more townies hit?)

The roles flipped how they did due to the random number generator, and being the type of person that accepts all kinds of luck (good, bad, otherwise) I just left it as is. Yeah, it was imbalanced, but some games tend to be. All in fun in games though, right? I had hoped that the three "leaders"--Incognito, BloodyC0bbler, and L would try to kill each other. [I actually recall an instant when I asked Incognito over ICQ "what's your next step?" and he replied "get BloodyC0bbler killed."]

Mafia, threadwise at least, were very quiet... and that just lead to the town being more controlled. Once again, even with the imbalanced start the two bodyguards dying during the night would've put the town in a bad situation, since neither BC nor madnessman had released their check results threadwise.

Overall, I'm just glad that people enjoyed the game, even though thread activity dropped pretty low due to things like death and spring break (mlah.) Sorry again for the imba setup, and I believe the next game I host will have no gimmicks.

On March 21 2010 11:34 L wrote:

Incog was easily neutralize by just not giving him new information. The inaccuracy of mafia hits heavily pointed away from him being guilty. BC was the target of a semi-trap to see if he would guess my role right. Since BC didn't really have any opposition in the DT claimants category, he was pretty much assured and incog's early compliance made him useless to kill.

The town wasn't in a bad situation due to the bodyguard deaths either because mafia would have been forced to double hit BC if they wanted a kill.

An extra medic and another mafia kp would have balanced the game quite nicely, imo.

On March 21 2010 11:41 flamewheel91 wrote:


Or next time there will just be no power roles!
PieC9 x2 go go go.

On March 21 2010 11:34 L wrote:
An extra medic and another mafia kp would have balanced the game quite nicely, imo.

On March 21 2010 11:48 Zona wrote:

Do you really think so?

I do agree the extra mafia KP would have helped a lot, because it greatly reduces the number of days available to the town before losing, and thus the number of mislynches the town can afford (the number in this game is ridiculously high), but 2 DTs in a game where the protected elected officials can be checked is incredibly powerful. No only can 2 DTs check a significant portion of the game's players between them, but they can confirm each other and the protected mouthpiece they can then use.

On March 21 2010 12:22 L wrote:

Extra kp is massive and lets you double up on DTs to get kills. Playing smart would involve someone fake claiming something, then when the town finds out ask for a mafia bus claim to the person who's going to be killed. Then use a pseudo confirmed setup to give him orders; An IRC channel where no one admits their name except the bus, for instance.

At this point the moment you discover blues, you can bus them to randoms and siphon hits in which makes the medics useless unless counter counter bussed.

tbh, mafia might even be heavily favored in that format depending on how early bus contacts.

On March 21 2010 10:56 Zona wrote:


I disagree. I stated this before, but I think that if a player who is town in a game makes bad arguments or is not being helpful in general to aid his or her chances as a mafia member in future games is not a show of skill, but instead shows a lack of skill, because this player is not confident in his or her ability to be helpful and appear town-like in a game as mafia.
The player is essentially hurting the town (and his/her) chances to win when playing as a member of the town only to help his/her chances to win when playing as a member of the mafia.

On March 21 2010 13:05 Ace wrote:



this.

It's also why I say it's a good idea to lynch players like BM and Vivi early on because if left alive, they WILL make the town lose.

On March 21 2010 13:15 L wrote:

And if they're mafia they play the exact same way as if they're town: Inconsistently and illogically.

Its like some kind of braindead super-armor.