EPTTL Mafia Ban List - Page 157
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 12 2013 05:35 syllogism wrote: The extreme exacerbating factor in this case is him having time to play, refusing to do so and not showing any respect for the other players in the game, despite them expressing extreme frustration towards his decision to stop playing. Perhaps he just didn't understand that he can't just ask for a replacement if he doesn't feel like playing anymore; it doesn't matter what the reason for this is feeling is. He should have divided his time evenly between the games and simply said that he is doing the best he can in both games. It's still a bit unclear whether he accepts that there has to be a legitimate reason for subbing out once you have signed up for a game (there's a bit more leeway if you find your own replacement, I guess). Although my opinion probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme I'd disagree with saying he had time to play because of the concurrent game. He definitely fucked up but if the games ran sign ups at the same time it sounds like he misunderstood the work required in a 30 man. The fact that he acknowledged his mistake, tried to get a replacement (albeit poorly) and still remained active in the game he could dedicate time to should show that it was an honest mistake and not that he didn't give a shit that he was ruining a game. He could have done shitty in both but done enough to avoid modkills and made two games significantly worse instead of trying to salvage what he could. Not understanding the replacement thing bears some merit but is it going to take two extra games on ban to make an active player understand that? I don't think so. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 12 2013 21:19 Kurumi wrote: Activity and behaviour are two different things. Usually when people have hard time keeping up with the game they ask for replacements or play worse for a while - there's nothing wrong with that. Why would I ban you if I were to ban Marv and VE? I signed up for palmars game while playing yours although I had suddenly a lot to do in real life and could have done more. I basicly refused to put effort into the game because I could only put little effort into the game due to that. I mean I posted way more in every man for himself and ignored your game the last 3 days (granted there wasn't a lot to do during the jackal lynch)... I'd say it's the same thing, just that I didn't tell people. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
froggynoddy Mr.Cheesecake Marvellosity VisceraEyes Ban: Eywa- for inactivity third game in a row 5 games I believe. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On January 13 2013 22:53 Kurumi wrote: Requesting warnings: froggynoddy Mr.Cheesecake Marvellosity VisceraEyes Ban: Eywa- for inactivity third game in a row 5 games I believe. Approved. I'm finally caught up with this thread, poke me if I missed something | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
threesr: should receive a lifetime ban. Not only did he smurf and lie about it, this is not the first game in which he's gone inactive. He should not be allowed in any future games. kushm4sta: 3 game ban for smurfing and playing in a manner that was destructive to his alignment's wincon. While I do not believe he accepts that he did it with malicious intent, that does not excuse the fact that in the end he was furthering his own enjoyment of the game at the expense of newbies. The punishment would have been less severe had he shown that he knew what he did was wrong. In light of that sentiment, I think it'd be good if he were to apologize to the players of the game. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [chat logs] + [19:10] <Promethelax> lolol [19:15] <kush> So ashamed [19:15] <Promethelax> haha, man, what were you thinking? [19:15] <kush> 5 seconds after I posted I realized it was the wrong account [19:16] <Promethelax> what were you thinking signing up for a newbie? [19:16] <Promethelax> Not just being bad at smurfing [19:16] <kush> There was no other game to join at the time [19:16] <Promethelax> ... [19:17] <Promethelax> you were in dessert [19:17] <kush> also I thought it would be easier [19:17] <kush> that started after [19:17] <Promethelax> why did you ever think that man? [19:17] <kush> think what [19:18] <Promethelax> that it would be easier in a newbie [19:18] <Promethelax> you still have to try [19:18] <kush> I did try [19:18] <Promethelax> did you? [19:18] <Promethelax> I saw a lot of silly ass trolling [19:18] <kush> Newbie games are way easier [19:18] <Promethelax> (which I enjoyed rather a lot) in here he told me his alignment and that he wanted to roll town in this game when he signed up for it [19:20] <Promethelax> trolling will nevr help you get better [19:21] <Promethelax> but I guess getting better wasn't really your goal. What was your goal? [19:23] <kush> I was not trolling [19:23] <kush> I was roleplaying [19:23] <Promethelax> okay [19:23] <Promethelax> what was your goal man? What did you want to gain from rolling town in a newbie? [19:25] <kush> To look awesome and find all the scum [19:26] <Promethelax> haha [19:28] <Promethelax> are you laguerta too? [19:31] <kush> Fuck no [19:31] <kush> I wouldn't cheat like that [19:31] <Promethelax> haha, I thought your last post could be distancing [19:31] <Promethelax> you don't consider signing up for a newbie as cheating? [19:32] <kush> Completely different form of cheating [19:32] <kush> the game was fair [19:32] <Promethelax> but still cheating? [19:33] <kush> Smurfing [19:34] <kush> non newbscan play in newbies. It's just accounts that have at least 4 games cant [19:34] <kush> I said in the beginning of the thread that I wasn't a noob [19:34] <Promethelax> I don't think anyone agrees with you on that definition | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
That's just as bad as actually smurfing to me. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I ___ ya so. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
My only crime is smurfing in a newbie game though. Any kind of "trolling" I am accused of is actually just me trying to play scum while roleplaying. I was playing to my win con at all times. The ban of three games is ridiculously long. I do not believe what I did is technically illegal. Any mention of smurfing in tlmafia rules says it is not allowed on TL unless you tell the host about it. TL.net didn't care so I didn't have to tell the host. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On January 24 2013 03:29 kushm4sta wrote: I have no remorse sorry. I smurfed in a newbie game. I may do it again only you wont know about it next time hopefully. And you can't check smurfs because obviously I use a different IP. I have been banned from TL many times so I know how to create more accounts. My only crime is smurfing in a newbie game though. Any kind of "trolling" I am accused of is actually just me trying to play scum while roleplaying. I was playing to my win con at all times. The ban of three games is ridiculously long. I do not believe what I did is technically illegal. Any mention of smurfing in tlmafia rules says it is not allowed on TL unless you tell the host about it. TL.net didn't care so I didn't have to tell the host. Congrats, you are done with TL Mafia. Don't bother coming back. If you can't see why fucking over a host and a newbie game is wrong, I don't want you here. (subject to discussion, I might be swayed, although I don't see how) For reference, the OP of that game specifically says NO SMURFS. At all, not even those approved by tl. And the game says less than four games played. By the player. On TL. So you broke two rules, and didn't even keep the host in the loop. There is no excuse or rationalization you can make. Also, I'm discussing perming you in the staff forums, since you just admitted to being a PBU. I just thought you should know. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
At any rate, I agree with the proposed 3 game ban if not GM's inclination to have him permabanned. Kush, while not necessarily a horrible person to play with (I enjoy playing with him more than, for instance, grush no offense intended), his attitude is definitely on the destructive side. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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