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dozko
United Kingdom160 Posts
On March 08 2010 22:11 sidesprang wrote: You're not the only one. My guess is he is spamming pm's to find someone who screws up, or something like that. Yeah exactly. He's assuming the role of a confirmed townie, when in fact there is still a significant chance of him being red. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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dozko
United Kingdom160 Posts
On March 08 2010 22:24 XeliN wrote: There is a exceptionally small chance of his being red as far as I can tell, no-one has counterclaimed and the only hypothetical whereby he could get away with this is if the Mafia chose not to use 2 of their hits on the very first day which seems unlikely. Yes as I said, but why is it unlikely? Last game there were several people on my team who wanted to send in only 1/2 hits instead of 3 on night 1. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
To the rest of you idiots that dont pay attention: you shoot blues who cant prove it or who fuck up a claim. Else all Mafia will free claim and walk free and you'd get no where. Shockeyy basically said he claimed because he was scared - lulz. He's getting shot after I shoot Incognito. I'm tired of everyone saying they have some grand plan that the town can win with and never post it because it's too good to be in public. Do you see what I did? I put my plan out there. The town is going to win. Stop trying to play behind the scenes. Town players STOP TRYING TO DEFEND shitty play. You're giving guys too much wiggle room when they already fucked up. Seriously stop being scared to punish people for being dumb. Grow some balls like me or die by the gun. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 08 2010 22:24 XeliN wrote: There is a exceptionally small chance of his being red as far as I can tell, no-one has counterclaimed and the only hypothetical whereby he could get away with this is if the Mafia chose not to use 2 of their hits on the very first day which seems unlikely. How is that unlikely? Please explain. You know I've just had another thought...why would shockeyy role claim during the NIGHT if he was really a medic? Something is really, really wrong here. I don't believe he is that slow in the head. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
By the way where is that plan that you had to save the town? You're already out in the open, so lets here it. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
What he is currently doing, and acheiving, is worse for the towns prospects than anything anyone has done so far. Please give input on this quite frankly it seems to me a case of if he is town then he is a loss we can afford to lose because he is USELESS. If he is Mafia it is far worse and is actually being exceptionally effective. So to summise, I propose Executing: Ace, Give feedback. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 08 2010 22:36 Ace wrote: Xelin I don't think you've edver played Mafia before. NO one is "confirmed". There's a GF in the game. Point blank that means you dont assume anything. To the rest of you idiots that dont pay attention: you shoot blues who cant prove it or who fuck up a claim. Else all Mafia will free claim and walk free and you'd get no where. Shockeyy basically said he claimed because he was scared - lulz. He's getting shot after I shoot Incognito. I'm tired of everyone saying they have some grand plan that the town can win with and never post it because it's too good to be in public. Do you see what I did? I put my plan out there. The town is going to win. Stop trying to play behind the scenes. Town players STOP TRYING TO DEFEND shitty play. You're giving guys too much wiggle room when they already fucked up. Seriously stop being scared to punish people for being dumb. Grow some balls like me or die by the gun. The first order of business once I "stop defending shitty play" would be to kill you Ace. Likely a wasted day, but as you say, we have to get rid of uncooperative townies anyway. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 08 2010 15:30 Ace wrote: Town - we do not need confirmed innocents at all. None. This game can be won by straight up shootouts and Role Claims. Everything should be IN THE THREAD. Stack everyone who can shoot vs everyone who can't shoot. When all thats sorted and the goons are dead, kill the GF with normal scumhunting tactics. Having anyone "confirmed" besides them shooting some slore in the face is nonsense. Please explain this to me again, keeping in mind we have no idea how many reds there are in this game. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 08 2010 23:36 citi.zen wrote: Please explain this to me again, keeping in mind we have no idea how many reds there are in this game. How many Mafia do you really think there are in this game? Even with 7 Mafia the town wins by straight shoot outs. Look, Malongo and Bill Murray have already shot someone. Put them in the pool of probably innocent. Everyone else that hasn't shot must prove they are town by shooting someone scummy. Regular Mafia cant shoot. With even 15 town vs 7 Mafia in that situation, the town wins. Do you honestly think there are SEVEN Mafia in a 26 player game? That would be ludicrous. Like I said this setup has at most 5. 5 would be pushing imbalance, and 4 would be just right. You don't need to know how many Mafia there are in the game for this plan to work. Are you starting to get my posts now? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 08 2010 23:15 XeliN wrote: I am proposing Ace as the next person for the town to shoot, will not take any action before discussion//agreement however he is doing his utmost to create confusion mistrust and disorganisation. What he is currently doing, and acheiving, is worse for the towns prospects than anything anyone has done so far. Please give input on this quite frankly it seems to me a case of if he is town then he is a loss we can afford to lose because he is USELESS. If he is Mafia it is far worse and is actually being exceptionally effective. So to summise, I propose Executing: Ace, Give feedback. Really. So your going to shoot me for doing the same thing Bill Murray and Malongo have done? GJ smart guy. Watch how much backlash you cause for doing that. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I propose to execute you because quite frankly you are shitting up this thread, those images? you throwing a hissy fit? basically I disagree with your attitude and reasoning in pretty much everything you have done and as I said before, either you are a useless townie or a incredibly influential Mafia, either way I want you gone. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Tunnel Vision ftw. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
1) Two people attempt shoot each other every day 2) Don't shoot or reuse previous shooters If the Mafia decides to hit 2 new people a day, then that's just more information that goes into the game. By the end of Day 6, we'll have 6 who have shot and are almost all likely to be townies. Then we'll have another 16 dead, and 4 people that haven't shot. In the worst case scenario that all 16 dead are town, these last 4 literally have to be mafia, unless the the number of mafia is less than 4 - which is to our advantage. If we have more than 4 mafia then it stands to reason that we'd be counting them amongst the dead. If the number is something absurdly high like 8, then we could actually lose, but it seems absurd that we wouldn't be able to pick off one or two in that time. The only problem that stands is if the town hits any Triggerhappies, which cause us to lose if we keep trying to bruteforce our way through. But since even the Triggerhappies themselves don't know their own role there's no way to really control that. The best thing we can do is have our DTs check our shooters to see if they show up blue - and then we just forbid them from executing again in case they're CIA. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Your first sentence is wrong on both accounts. Number one I have been quiet because I was sleeping; you can gather that quite easily from my location. Number two you state that I had expressed ideas on who to kill in my previous posts. Well guess what you were the one advocating the use of the archives and you havent been reading them too well. Basically up to this point I have not posted anything against another player and all I have done is 1) get some clarification on some events 2) agree with ace's subsequently 789's plans 3) defend myself for that stats misunderstanding. How you got that my previous posts contained some analysis against players I cannot gather. Now I always thought you were a clever guy but these two silly mistakes in your reasoning, evidenced by the beginning of the PM, are very non-characteristic of you. It seems like you were just inventing reasons to fish for my role in PM's First off, oops yeah I didn't see whats inside the brackets. My first sentence is wrong? Oh really. Lets see. "You've been a bit quiet recently". Hmm seems pretty accurate to me. Sleeping? Sure, thats valid. Why do you think I'm trying to accuse you here? All I did was state a fact. I don't see inconsistencies in this part. I state that you had expressed ideas of who to kill? Where? All I see is that I've stated that you have some ideas. I never said these ideas were accusations. I just said you had ideas. Nice job seeing faces in clouds. Either you're really paranoid, or you're trying to defend something here. Pming? Its useful. Some people don't like posting in the thread. They don't respond to anything in the thread even if asked. Prodding is sometimes necessary. And that comes in the form of pms. Now before you accuse me of misinterpreting that you actually have been posting in the thread, consider that I haven't asked you for any role information in that pm. So on to greener pastures...Suspects. Real suspects, Ace. Which btw...a pregame pm From: Ace [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: also Date: 2/28/10 06:54 heh, well I've been guilty of a few ego flame wars myself (even though I honestly try to let people know why I made certain decisions in game). And yea I kind of want to stay away from the "lets lynch people and if they flip town its because they are playing bad" route. It's a real nice cop out for Mafia to have and it's just a really, really bad way of playing in general. Also people better hold Ace accountable once I flip town. But honestly once that happens this game is just going to die, so...real suspects. JeeJee: what do you have to say about yourself? You seem to have been posting useless stuff up until I called you out. After that, your post quality started to go up. A little. But you never answered my suspicions. And continue to shadow Ace. Not on the top of my list anymore, but you can't be ignored. Vivi57: empty posts devoid of content. jokingly claims cia agent. Is this really not a joke? I see an Ace/Vivi connection, do you? Do you have anything to say about these suspects? Suspect no. 1: l10f Pm from l10f: Even in last game, I stayed very quiet for a little bit. This setup is quite confusing for me, because days and nights pass by so quickly, and there are no clues :S. Because the first person to shoot gets the day kill, one person can mess up the whole town. It's sad that there is no modkilling to protect against inactivity. I can't really tell who's what because I can't make a sense of what's happened so far. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You've been a bit quiet this game? What are your thoughts about Ace and sidesprang? What do you think about the inactive players this game? So, what does this pm tell us? l10f starts out by giving reasons for his inactivity. He hastily gives a bunch of reasons without my prompting. He offers information like I'm confused, and theres no clues. I never prompted him to give excuses. Well first of all, l10f is pulling the "I'm confused card". This is typical mafia behavior, acting confused to avoid having to commit to a certain position. Secondly, he is eager to jump to support anti-inactivity policies. When he's inactive himself. Cool. Townies wouldn't have to do this. Lastly, avoids commenting on Ace and sidesprang. Perhaps they are mafia friends he doesn't want to rat on? Perhaps he is just trying to avoid being accountable to a certain viewpoint? l10f should be shot. By Abenson. Unless anyone has any better ideas. So Ace stop trying to take the law into your own hands. I could see you threatening to do that as mafia. The strategy would be, start going berserk to try to get some townspeoeple to get antsy and shoot someone random in a panic for fear of letting you actually shoot. How's that for a conspiracy theory? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
BTW you should read that PM from February 28th and compare it to what I've done this game. You'll find something interesting going on. lulz. I have no idea how Vivi is even connected to me. But I'm just about to shoot you anyway. The town can't kill me once I shoot. Because then they'd have to kill Malongo and BM too. The Mafia want to kill probable innocent shooters. We've already shown we aren't going to punish people for shoot first ideals. So you lose. Keep up with the game and stop posting nonsense. | ||
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