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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 21:55 GMT
#1441

err, not true. The following is an extremely simplified situation during which a "legit medic" would be hit.

Mafia 1 - 1 person left. Known to be mafia
Mafia 2 - 2 people left


i mean you said one out of 3 out of 51 (medics in this game [probably])
and 2 out of 10 out of 51 mafia a
and 1 out of 10 out of 51 mafia b

that doesn't seem very likely to me
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 16 2010 21:56 GMT
#1442
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 21:58 GMT
#1443
who would you suggest for medic protection, redtooth?
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 16 2010 22:03 GMT
#1444
think for yourself BM
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 16 2010 22:11 GMT
#1445
On February 17 2010 06:56 redtooth wrote:
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.


I keep getting this vibe that moreso than any two other players in the game that you and Ver are buddying up. His PMs, both of your posts and a host of other issues make me believe this.

While I'm pretty sure I wont' be hit tonight due to protection, I think this link is worth looking into if I end up dying.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 22:16 GMT
#1446
On February 17 2010 06:56 redtooth wrote:
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.

I have no problems about you not protecting me. What i want is a clear public state of who are you going to protect. I proposed myself because that way im sure your protection is not mafia. And came to think that chezinu of all players is a good protection... pf next time dont even try to get in the office please.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
February 16 2010 22:26 GMT
#1447
On February 17 2010 07:16 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2010 06:56 redtooth wrote:
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.

I have no problems about you not protecting me. What i want is a clear public state of who are you going to protect. I proposed myself because that way im sure your protection is not mafia. And came to think that chezinu of all players is a good protection... pf next time dont even try to get in the office please.
haha dude i've been saying i'll protect chezinu ever since i roleclaimed. i even hinted that i was medic by my continuous strings of "DONT WORRY ABOUT CHEZINU" and my PMs to a few specific people claiming the same thing.

and honestly i really wanted to NOT be in office. i've never once ran for office before. but the way things played out it was the best move for town. pf please dont be ridiculous and make up flawed plans.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 22:30 GMT
#1448
when you were saying "don't worry about chezinu", i took it as "chezinu is mostly harmless"
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 16 2010 22:35 GMT
#1449
On February 17 2010 07:26 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2010 07:16 Malongo wrote:
On February 17 2010 06:56 redtooth wrote:
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.

I have no problems about you not protecting me. What i want is a clear public state of who are you going to protect. I proposed myself because that way im sure your protection is not mafia. And came to think that chezinu of all players is a good protection... pf next time dont even try to get in the office please.
haha dude i've been saying i'll protect chezinu ever since i roleclaimed. i even hinted that i was medic by my continuous strings of "DONT WORRY ABOUT CHEZINU" and my PMs to a few specific people claiming the same thing.

and honestly i really wanted to NOT be in office. i've never once ran for office before. but the way things played out it was the best move for town. pf please dont be ridiculous and make up flawed plans.

Plan may be flawled, however as i said one billion times town loses NOTHING. If you were actually a medic i see no problem at all in getting your *protection*. Just make your *protection* PUBLIC from now on on whoever you think it suits you best. If you dont want to be in the office dont run. Just dont do it.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
February 16 2010 22:57 GMT
#1450
On February 17 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote:
I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia

Chezinu 5x
DoctorHelvetica 3x
MasterDana 1x
[NyC]HoBbes 1x
789 2x
Bill Murray 6x
BloodyC0bbler 1x
tree.hugger 1x
Fulgrim 1x
Nikoner 2x
Ace 2x
Caller 2x
Decafchicken 1x
d3_crescentia 3x
citi.zen 2x
meeple 1x
sidesprang 1x
SugiuraMidori 1x
Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though)

1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x.
2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member.


1. rofl calm down citi.zen and learn to count; you swapped your vote twice, you went DrH --> Abstain (ONCE) --> RT (TWICE).

2. you're right all my posts should be content ridden posts in which I take sides with X player, call Y player an idiot and label Z player as obviously mafia... Fact is I don't like anyone's ideas so far; this game is far too big for me to keep up and take sides with ANYONE so i'll do what i can and try to post helpful information

For the record I'm not saying any of the ppl who vote swapped are mafia (although i'm sure some are), I'm merely compiling a list that shows who changed their votes (I guess I'll work on detailing WHEN and WHO they changed it too) and that's more useful than everyone elses "I FEEL THIS PERSON IS DEFINITELY MAFIA BLAH BLAH BLAH" lists.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
February 16 2010 22:58 GMT
#1451
Well... Chezinu publicly asked for stacked medic protection. Since we don't actually know how many medics the town actually has, this probably would only save him if only one family makes its move. Or if none do. Basically, protecting him is kinda a poor decision seeing as how he might be a Godfather for all we know, but it's not like we can verify that you're a medic through role checks any more, can we?

And if you didn't want to be in office why did you bother running in the first place?
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 16 2010 23:00 GMT
#1452
Lucas and BM, did you guys notice that in the scenerio that you two are arguing about, the town already won?

Well, unless the town has been reduced to three or less at that point. With a medic in tow, no less.
Cheese is good for you!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 23:08 GMT
#1453
i just dont see how it can be detrimental for medics to roleclaim, and until someone gives me a likely scenario in which it is bad, i will continue to believe
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
February 16 2010 23:11 GMT
#1454
If you have not turned in your night actions please do so ASAP.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 16 2010 23:12 GMT
#1455
Because unless the town has their medics, the game becomes a race. Believe it or not, the town is a huge threat to both mafia families, but unless they have some medics then it's a huge shootout. The medics are the only way for the town to control the game.

If I were a mafia family I would kill any medics I could. If you don't, then they may prove to be a huge obstacle towards winning. I suppose you might argue to keep them around to help you later, but that seems to me like playing to not lose rather than playing to win.
Cheese is good for you!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 23:15 GMT
#1456
it's a race with or without the medics, though.
i can see them wanting to kill them if they drop below a certain point, like 3 goons vs 4.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 16 2010 23:26 GMT
#1457
Well if you can see them getting killed at any point, why would it be okay to claim now?

And my point is that the medics give the town control over the race. And that's something either mafia doesn't want to deal with.
Cheese is good for you!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 16 2010 23:29 GMT
#1458
Don't have much time, but Townies listen to Scamp and LucaWoj. Under NO circumstances should anyone reveal they are a medic. Those are our trump cards because whichever side is "winning" the shooutout can't be allowed to run wild.

Bill Murray you're actually one of my top 3 suspects now. No purely because of the spam, but because you've been wrong multiple times. Not even Amber[light] or Vivi57 have missed this many times in a single game. Feels as though you're trying to pull off the clueless role.

Redtooth Chezinu isn't a confirmed DT. Don't get why you are protecting him unless you feel he's the only credible pro-town player at the moment?

Also I forgot if it was you that made the "DTs can safely claim" post, and since I'm about to leave I can't check. But if anyone checks this information out and see that you made the argument, or supported it you're getting lynched tomorrow. That would show a huge contradiction in what you said and then your decision to protect Chezinu. Of course I hope that's not the case ^_^

I'll be playing for real from now on. Let's hope I don't die tonight ^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 23:29 GMT
#1459
i would want them to claim now so they don't all overlap protection, but i don't see it happening, so please protect wisely.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 16 2010 23:31 GMT
#1460
On February 17 2010 08:29 Ace wrote:
Don't have much time, but Townies listen to Scamp and LucaWoj. Under NO circumstances should anyone reveal they are a medic. Those are our trump cards because whichever side is "winning" the shooutout can't be allowed to run wild.

Bill Murray you're actually one of my top 3 suspects now. No purely because of the spam, but because you've been wrong multiple times. Not even Amber[light] or Vivi57 have missed this many times in a single game. Feels as though you're trying to pull off the clueless role.

Redtooth Chezinu isn't a confirmed DT. Don't get why you are protecting him unless you feel he's the only credible pro-town player at the moment?

Also I forgot if it was you that made the "DTs can safely claim" post, and since I'm about to leave I can't check. But if anyone checks this information out and see that you made the argument, or supported it you're getting lynched tomorrow. That would show a huge contradiction in what you said and then your decision to protect Chezinu. Of course I hope that's not the case ^_^

I'll be playing for real from now on. Let's hope I don't die tonight ^_^



If I'm one of your top 3 suspects, all those "veteran" things being said are thrown out the window. You think I'm red, Ver thinks i'm blue, and in fact I am green. lol

I have a PM of him saying he thinks I'm blue, and you just put me on your top 3 suspects? LOL
really?

I'm flattered, but no. I should be in the bottom 3 suspects, because I really am clueless as to who is mafia right now, and have noone to trust personally.
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