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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea
This coming from a person who jumps onto wagons with the first accusations? No, we don't discount clues entirely--we use what is given to use, albeit misleading as it seems, and keep that in mind when we are dealing with other people. Clues become exponentially more important as we go on, and perhaps after this next night round we will be able to. But seeing as how we have a day to wait until the next set, we might as well try to analyze people and go back to clues when we have more information.
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On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea
This has been said before. We should be looking at clues as well as behavior. The clues are there to guide us, but not solid enough that they should stand alone.
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On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline What a game huh? Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.
Half of my family is from New Orleans, they say Bourbon street is going completely batshit insane
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On January 25 2010 13:47 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline What a game huh? Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable. Half of my family is from New Orleans, they say Bourbon street is going completely batshit insane
I'm happy since Brees is a former Charger.
It lifted my spirits a bit after the abomination that was Jets/Chargers.
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On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea
Not blindly you moron. But who pisses who off, how people react to different accusations, force choices of voting on people, thats how this game is played. Just playing a riddle solving game out of the clues would be retarded.
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On January 25 2010 14:07 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea Not blindly you moron. But who pisses who off, how people react to different accusations, force choices of voting on people, thats how this game is played. Just playing a riddle solving game out of the clues would be retarded.
Cmon man, namecalling? We're not in 5th grade. Calm down.
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Yeah, there is no need to be so aggressive.
Remember what happened to t_co? It only makes you look suspicious. Let's all calm down and be objective as possible here.
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On January 25 2010 14:30 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 14:07 JohannesH wrote:On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea Not blindly you moron. But who pisses who off, how people react to different accusations, force choices of voting on people, thats how this game is played. Just playing a riddle solving game out of the clues would be retarded. Cmon man, namecalling? We're not in 5th grade. Calm down.
Yes, everyone involved in this discussion please calm down and tone down your language. Having strong opinions and voicing them in spirited argument is fine; calling people names and insulting them is not. When writing your posts, please remember: If you wouldn't get away with saying something like this on the rest of Teamliquid (and they definitely come down hard on people who make insulting, offensive posts), you're not going to get away with it here either.
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clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation
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On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea
omg look at the time i wrote this lol win
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea omg look at the time i wrote this lol win
Your timing was win, though your message was not.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 25 2010 15:38 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea omg look at the time i wrote this lol win Your timing was win, though your message was not.
On a lighter note:
+1.
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On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation
No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever.
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On January 25 2010 15:39 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 15:38 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea omg look at the time i wrote this lol win Your timing was win, though your message was not. On a lighter note: +1. Hm I didnt get the point of this message, postcount++? :D
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 25 2010 16:23 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 15:39 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 15:38 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile. Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly. Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought: At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues. your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea omg look at the time i wrote this lol win Your timing was win, though your message was not. On a lighter note: +1. Hm I didnt get the point of this message, postcount++? :D
No I like 1337. I feel like I just ended on too bitchy of a note.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On January 25 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever.
Agreed.
XV wasn't, and it was a very exciting read.
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Ok so I was gone for today and didn't have time to look back in. My apologies. Unfortunately it seems everyone still went with a moronic clue bandwagon and of course, they were green. I've tried to stop two lynches now on people that were pretty clearly green. This only confirms my thoughts on how important past games are as evidence. Hopefully everyone will learn and ease off on the clue bandwagoning as well as trust me a bit more.
I was trying to think of a better approach to use our time better. Let's give this a shot: This game mafia have had very little, if any pressure on them at all. Thus it's very logical to assume that they have been sitting back doing little if anything. After all if the mafia don't have to blend in, why would most of them bother. Sure a few might want to but the majority of the mafia have either posted extremely little, or posted some. Either way they have contributed nothing because they have no reason to.
Here's what everyone can focus their attention on: Hit the all button, take a user, and search through all of their posts. What we are looking for is people who have made both unique contributions and people who post something that looks like it has content but in actuality is nothing. Look at their motivations for posting and see whether they just add useless information and parrot what others say or add real input of their own.
By doing this we can help both find innocents and mafia, both of which are important. This is something I did for Zona and citizen that helped me establish the likelihood of their innocence. Given that citizen was rc'ed green, that becomes even more likely.
This game has been incredibly active, way more so than most of the others here. We just need to find a way to make use of all that activity :D
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A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green.
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One more comment: there is a mention after the last lynching of the second amendment, which is the right to bear guns.
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On January 25 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever.
Clues help indeed, just don't trust them 100% for certain. Ignoring clues would be a total waste imo.
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