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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 03:57 GMT
#1241
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


Sure it is. What benefits the mafia more than creating confusion and causing the town to lynch other townies?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 03:58 GMT
#1242
On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline


What a game huh?

Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.
RIP Aaliyah
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:58 GMT
#1243
Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 04:08 GMT
#1244
On January 25 2010 12:58 789 wrote:
Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style.


From the beginning they should have been checking people and expanding their network, hopefully the detectives have been doing that.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 25 2010 04:10 GMT
#1245
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 25 2010 04:11 GMT
#1246
On January 25 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia.


I think it's still hard to say exactly what the mafia is doing, considering the options available to them while they are still under the cover of anonymity. However, it is very viable that those pointing fingers could be mafia agents, especially since:

1) Mafia at this point aren't as afraid of losing members, since their KP remains at 3 until they drop to 4 members

and,

2) More town suspicion means less actual fire focused at them.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 25 2010 04:11 GMT
#1247
On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline


What a game huh?

Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.


What was the final score? I heard it was close.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 04:12 GMT
#1248
On January 25 2010 13:11 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline


What a game huh?

Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.


What was the final score? I heard it was close.

+ Show Spoiler +
Saints 31-28 Vikings. Saints won it with a FG in overtime.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 04:14 GMT
#1249
On January 25 2010 13:11 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia.


I think it's still hard to say exactly what the mafia is doing, considering the options available to them while they are still under the cover of anonymity. However, it is very viable that those pointing fingers could be mafia agents, especially since:

1) Mafia at this point aren't as afraid of losing members, since their KP remains at 3 until they drop to 4 members

and,

2) More town suspicion means less actual fire focused at them.


That's true.

I find it highly unlikely, though, that a mafia will actually vote for another mafia. Reading through other games and through some articles on the mafiascum wikipedia page, mafia often accuse eachother but very rarely will vote or start a vote bandwagon.

I think that's pretty important to keep in mind. Anyone who starts pointing fingers without following through could be up for suspicion.
RIP Aaliyah
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
January 25 2010 04:14 GMT
#1250
On January 25 2010 08:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
Actually, I see Faronel is voting for me. You've been pretty inactive in the main thread, so I'd like to hear your reasons for actually doing so.

clues clues
C'est la vie...
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 04:16 GMT
#1251
On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote:
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.


I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 25 2010 04:19 GMT
#1252
On January 25 2010 13:14 Faronel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 08:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
Actually, I see Faronel is voting for me. You've been pretty inactive in the main thread, so I'd like to hear your reasons for actually doing so.

clues clues


And by "clues clues" you mean "one clue."
Two words does not a sufficient response make, bandwagoner.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 04:22 GMT
#1253
On January 25 2010 13:16 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote:
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.


I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now.


Not that I distrust Zona... but I would stick to people we know are trustworthy. Zona seems really objective, but thats not entirely a reason to trust him just yet. Citi.zen can probably be trusted at the moment.
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
January 25 2010 04:26 GMT
#1254
instead of posting who u trust post who do you not trust and why
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 25 2010 04:27 GMT
#1255
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
January 25 2010 04:27 GMT
#1256
not to be a bandwagoner but based on clues, dt named bill murray dying, p.ms doc h i just dont trust you
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
January 25 2010 04:29 GMT
#1257
i suppose if i die on night two u got me killed then?
510Sushi
Profile Joined October 2008
Azerbaijan331 Posts
January 25 2010 04:33 GMT
#1258
i have formed my own opinion Hobbes, or flamewheel and i have stated in other posts why i think that, I chose to stay with the group, because i feel that abstaining is being deconstructive to our trust as a group, and giving a vote that will not be joined by any other is just pointless
i am the ghote
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 25 2010 04:36 GMT
#1259
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
510Sushi
Profile Joined October 2008
Azerbaijan331 Posts
January 25 2010 04:37 GMT
#1260
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea
i am the ghote
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