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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#1201
Man I wish I could run that fast.
I will just once again plead innocence, since there's still nothing new.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 24 2010 23:31 GMT
#1202
Actually, I see Faronel is voting for me. You've been pretty inactive in the main thread, so I'd like to hear your reasons for actually doing so.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
January 24 2010 23:35 GMT
#1203
On January 25 2010 07:47 Mystlord wrote:
I honestly don't find any of the connections convincing now. There's just always something that doesn't seem right... I really don't see where the keit connection is coming from :/ Maybe my lack of Sesame Street knowledge makes the apple clue not all that convincing.


Haha, trust me, this is about something else. My vote for DoctorH made him react just as I'd thought.
Graphics
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
January 24 2010 23:36 GMT
#1204
Oh and DoctorH, you talk about inactivity but you never know what goes on in the PM's, even though people might deny that they've talked to me.
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Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
January 25 2010 00:22 GMT
#1205
I decided to vote for Tredmasta. I wish I had remembered about this in time to look at the clues and posting more thoroughly, but I was torn between him and Kane since both clues seem fairly obvious. Although they do seem a bit too obvious so they've probably been misinterpreted.

Also, I voted for double lynch since if we don't get a Mafia today, we'll have to get at least one tomorrow in order to not be massively behind. Even randomly guessing, two lynches give us a much better chance of pegging a mafia.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 00:29 GMT
#1206
On January 25 2010 08:35 keit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 07:47 Mystlord wrote:
I honestly don't find any of the connections convincing now. There's just always something that doesn't seem right... I really don't see where the keit connection is coming from :/ Maybe my lack of Sesame Street knowledge makes the apple clue not all that convincing.


Haha, trust me, this is about something else. My vote for DoctorH made him react just as I'd thought.


uh, is it wrong to defend myself?

The clues connect to you as well and your behavior is well into the realm of suspiciousness.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 25 2010 00:50 GMT
#1207
Additionally, in my defense, if anyone is accusing me based on my connection to Bill Murray; it would be highly illogical for me, as mafia, to let anyone know I was talking to him or that I knew he was a detective if I was planning to kill him all along.
RIP Aaliyah
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 25 2010 01:07 GMT
#1208
I am not sure you had a choice actually. I knew you knew. I knew I had been role checked and bill was not lying to me, especially after he died and was revealed to be a detective.

I am not claiming this incriminates you beyond any reasonable doubt, it does not. But it does make your argument about willingly sharing your connection with Bill a very weak one.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 25 2010 01:11 GMT
#1209
Ps: my vote for you is not a strong one. In my heart I hope you live and are innocent, you are active and if green or blue losing you would be tragic. At this point I just don't know, or have enough time to investigate further, and unfortunately I still have to vote, despite these. Reservations.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 25 2010 01:50 GMT
#1210
Alright, I'm really late back to this party. There's not much original clue analysis I can bring to the table being so late, but there's one thing I want to mention. We don't know the style in how incognito is creating clues, since this is his first game. Looking over all the other games in the mafia forum, there's been two primary styles in creating clues. One style, was that a list of adjectives was made from player's profiles, and clues drawn from that. If this is how our mod does things, our current approach works well.

Unfortunately, this is the minority. The majority of past games had mods create a "persona" or "character" based on an amalgam of a player's profile, then create clues from that persona. (So one degree removed.) And there were some crazy connections that I don't think anyone would have guessed correctly. For example, if I wasn't reading too quickly and missing things, one game had a player with a lion in their profile, and the mod decided "Lion = Hunter" to create the "persona" for the player. But then the mod went further and made this a Hunter class from WoW, which made all the clues unguessable from my point of view, impossible to connect to the lion in the profile.

I really don't know what to do with clues for now. Thin knife = scalpel seems to be a FAIR clue. If the olympic thing really was a clue and not a red herring, it seems like it would be too obvious? I hope we somehow hit at least one mafia sometime in the future so we can try to see which clues are related and get a sense of how the mods are creating these clues. As others have mentioned, reading people by their interactions and votes is probably BETTER right now.


As for Bill the detective dying, it might have been someone he talked to, but it could have been luck too - the other game lost the detective to the day 1 lynch! To me it looks like the mafia decided that many of the active players would be protected and went for targets they thought likely had no protection. I disagree that the bodyguard is a large loss. A bodyguard is a loss ONLY if we're sure the elected officials are town members. If we aren't sure I'd actually prefer that the elected officials lose all of their protection.


Don't take comfort in the relatively large numbers of town members alive - we likely lose members at a rate of 3 a night, at least for now, each day only have a CHANCE of getting rid of 1 mafia (with the exception of the 2 double lynches). So our buffer is not that large.



I am in favor of double lynching, as this increases the proportion of deaths that are not caused solely by mafia, and might (or might not) bring the day of lower mafia KP closer. I'm really concerned about the high mafia KP right now.


I still haven't decided who to vote on - but since I don't have any solid ideas as to who might be mafia based on interaction, I'll choose between the three sorta-solid clue connections.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 25 2010 01:58 GMT
#1211
kane also has no posts since the game started?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 25 2010 02:03 GMT
#1212
In case it becomes important later on, for the record, I only exchanged one PM (one each direction) with Bill which contained no information at all (well he did beg for medic protection in private as well), as I assumed he was just a silly paranoid player.

Since 789 asked for the postcounts, here they are. I stopped them because I didn't want people posting crap for the sake of getting a higher postcount to look more active in these. But yeah, some players still have virtually no posts.

DoctorHelvetica: 217
meeple: 169
789: 129
citi.zen: 81
Bill Murray: 79
Zona: 59
Abenson: 48
flamewheel91: 43
t_co: 41
Jugan: 33
StimiLant: 32
ghote: 24
[NyC]HoBbes: 23
Ng5: 21
blue_arrow: 20
CynanMachae: 19
Nikoner: 19
Ser Aspi: 18
Mystlord: 17
The_Master: 12
JohannesH: 8
Phrujbaz: 7
keit: 7
Hyperbola: 6
Faronel: 5
Jayme: 5
tredmasta: 4
magicbullet: 3
dinmsab: 3
derfboy: 1
Fallen_arK: 1
kane]deth[: 1
skronch: 1
ohN: 0
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-25 02:29:36
January 25 2010 02:04 GMT
#1213
[image loading]


Night 2

The nervous town huddled together at the town meeting to decide who they were going to dispatch while a violent storm raged outside. Suddenly, the power went off. Confused, the town scrambled to get the generator on. A gunshot went off, followed by a scream. When the town leaders could finally get the power back on, they noticed kane]deth[ pointing a gun up at the ceiling. The town was immediately repulsed by the sight of kane's gun, and quickly proceeded to lynch him, thinking that his gun was a sign of his guilt. Unfortunately, kane]deth['s blood spilled green on the floor as the town gasped again in amazement.

Too bad the town forgot that Liquidia also had a version of the 2nd amendment...maybe they should get rid of that...

***

Night roles, please send in your actions to either me or dreamflower as soon as possible. You have until 9:00 PM EST on Monday January 25 to turn them in. Vigilantes may now use their hits.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 02:08 GMT
#1214
Crap...
Anyway I just read Zona's post and I think he may be on to something. For instance the second killer from 2 day 2 clues ... with the bucket looking helmet. Say Incognito is writing in the second style Zona proposed. He could have made Ser Aspi a knight persona (Ser is used as a substitute for Sir in some writings ... and sir is a common way to address a knight.) Bucket like helmet could fit a knight. I'm just throwing this out as an example, not suggesting we should lynch Ser Aspi next.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
dreamflower
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States312 Posts
January 25 2010 02:18 GMT
#1215
On January 25 2010 11:08 Nikoner wrote:
I abstain from voting for a lynch today.

I vote against a double lynch tomorrow.


For the most part, this hasn't been a problem, but for future reference: There's no need to vote against a double lynch. As long as you're voting but don't vote in favor of a double lynch, it's assumed that you're voting against the double lynch. So, there's no need to mention it explicitly.
"When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." -Oscar Wilde
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 25 2010 02:20 GMT
#1216
Ok, sadly we failed again. And again, this does not give us much additional info.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
January 25 2010 02:23 GMT
#1217
Oh wow, some seriously bad timing on my part here. I apologise for that. Sadly, I was unable to take participation more thoroughly today, and my votes are didn't change anything anyway. I apologise once again.

On January 25 2010 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Additionally, in my defense, if anyone is accusing me based on my connection to Bill Murray; it would be highly illogical for me, as mafia, to let anyone know I was talking to him or that I knew he was a detective if I was planning to kill him all along.


Let the mindgames commence.

The first thing that jumped out to me was the bucket-on-head thing - could it be possible that's it's related to Buckethead?
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 25 2010 02:27 GMT
#1218
On January 25 2010 11:18 dreamflower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 11:08 Nikoner wrote:
I abstain from voting for a lynch today.

I vote against a double lynch tomorrow.


For the most part, this hasn't been a problem, but for future reference: There's no need to vote against a double lynch. As long as you're voting but don't vote in favor of a double lynch, it's assumed that you're voting against the double lynch. So, there's no need to mention it explicitly.

I hope you set more explicit rules. While DrH clearly retracted his vote in favor double lynching, citi.zen's retraction is debatable, his post could also be interpreted as abstaining from voting for a person, and not retracting both his vote on a person and on double-lynching.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 25 2010 02:31 GMT
#1219
On January 25 2010 11:27 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 11:18 dreamflower wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:08 Nikoner wrote:
I abstain from voting for a lynch today.

I vote against a double lynch tomorrow.


For the most part, this hasn't been a problem, but for future reference: There's no need to vote against a double lynch. As long as you're voting but don't vote in favor of a double lynch, it's assumed that you're voting against the double lynch. So, there's no need to mention it explicitly.

I hope you set more explicit rules. While DrH clearly retracted his vote in favor double lynching, citi.zen's retraction is debatable, his post could also be interpreted as abstaining from voting for a person, and not retracting both his vote on a person and on double-lynching.


You mean this?

On January 24 2010 12:39 citi.zen wrote:
I take back my double lynch vote. Don't have enough time to be active over the weekend and now am not so sure about the clues.


Sounds pretty clear to me.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 25 2010 02:33 GMT
#1220
Duh, I somehow missed that post in the thread. Nevermind.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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