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I just want to throw this out here:
# of posts in this thread:
DoctorHelvetica : 129
meeple : 72
789 : 61
Bill Murray : 59
citi.zen : 55
t_co : 40
Jugan : 22
Zona : 21
[NyC]HoBbes : 18
flamewheel91 : 17
blue_arrow : 15
Nikoner : 12
dreamflower : 11
Incognito : 10
The_Master : 10
Ser Aspi : 10
Abenson : 9
Qatol : 9
Mystlord : 7
CynanMachae : 7
Ng5 : 6
Hyperbola : 4
QuickStriker : 4
Ace : 3
Jayme : 3
Phrujbaz : 3
tredmasta : 3
ghote : 3
Faronel : 3
keit : 2
dinmsab : 2
derfboy : 1
kane]deth[ : 1
StimiLant : 1
magicbullet : 1
Ver : 1
Jonoman92 : 1
skronch : 1
Fallen_arK : 1
Some may say this list is useful for the mafia - and while this is true, they could compile this list on their own without revealing it for the rest of the town to use. Also, this list is useful for our medics as well.
I am most wary of participants who post very little. Mafia who post a lot eventually are more likely to reveal some information about themselves. Those that post very little (but perhaps enough to avoid modkills) are the ones the town will have the hardest time reading.
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Can I have a quick recap on Faronel's actions toward t_co? I like the idea behind but I don't really know what are the basis behind it.
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I want him to be left alive simply because he is posting a lot. As well, someone who doesn't agree readily with everyone else is beneficial to the town, at least in the early days.
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Very nice, I hadn't thought of that. Still you have defended t_co but not given an alternate solution. Who would you see go?
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Faronel has 4 posts in the thread, 2 before the game started (which don't count), one which agrees with t_co's odd reasoning about killing the mayor right away, and then another asking why people are changing their votes to favor t_co. But the cap is that Faronel voted for t_co 5 hours BEFORE he agreed with t_co's reasoning, without giving a reason for it. And this has been pointed out earlier in the thread without any response on Faronel's part.
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On January 22 2010 10:08 meeple wrote:
Very nice, I hadn't thought of that. Still you have defended t_co but not given an alternate solution. Who would you see go?
On January 22 2010 09:58 Zona wrote:
I suggest lynching Faronel. Unlike other suggestions of hidden alliances, Faronel's few actions in this game DO link him to t_co, and unlike t_co, Faronel has not contributed a lot to the thread.
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Just scratched the names of those that aren't actually players
# of posts in this thread:
DoctorHelvetica : 129
meeple : 72
789 : 61
Bill Murray : 59
citi.zen : 55
t_co : 40
Jugan : 22
Zona : 21
[NyC]HoBbes : 18
flamewheel91 : 17
blue_arrow : 15
Nikoner : 12
dreamflower : 11
Incognito : 10
The_Master : 10
Ser Aspi : 10
Abenson : 9
Qatol : 9
Mystlord : 7
CynanMachae : 7
Ng5 : 6
Hyperbola : 4
QuickStriker : 4
Ace : 3
Jayme : 3
Phrujbaz : 3
tredmasta : 3
ghote : 3
Faronel : 3
keit : 2
dinmsab : 2
derfboy : 1
kane]deth[ : 1
StimiLant : 1
magicbullet : 1
Ver : 1
Jonoman92 : 1
skronch : 1
Fallen_arK : 1
Thanks for the list, though is there a quick way to get this or you really counted it? o.o
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If Faronel turns out town, this would actually not provide us that much information (t_co could still very well be mafia, but I would be far less suspicious in this case). But since Faronel has not been posting a lot, I feel this is a minor loss, although it is still a loss. It is unavoidable that the town will lose members in the game, though.
If Faronel turns out mafia, I think it is very incriminating for t_co.
Why Faronel over our other potentially useful candidates (t_co, or Hobbes)? Vs t_co, I've mentioned this before, but t_co is posting (and disagreeing), which is valuable in itself. Vs Hobbes, lynching Hobbes might hit mafia, but doesn't give us anything further to use. As well, clue-based lynches will become more accurate as we get more clues, so we can reserve this avenue for later.
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I wrote a perl script to scrape post authors.
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On January 22 2010 10:09 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 10:08 meeple wrote:
Very nice, I hadn't thought of that. Still you have defended t_co but not given an alternate solution. Who would you see go? Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 09:58 Zona wrote:
I suggest lynching Faronel. Unlike other suggestions of hidden alliances, Faronel's few actions in this game DO link him to t_co, and unlike t_co, Faronel has not contributed a lot to the thread.
Ah yup, thanks...
The only problem with Faronel, is that other than some admittedly suspicious actions, there's nothing really concrete. You say that he supported t_co before he had reason to do so... but that kinda implies that t_co is up to no good. The only difference between them really is that t_co ran for office. Doesn't it make more sense to take out the leader than a supporter?
Besides, it seems we've totally abandoned all hope for a clues-based Day 1 lynching, so if we're basing this on suspicious actions alone, t_co's trump Faronel's imo.
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Sorry, you posted first but I didn't hit refresh...
Ok so what if Faronel is Mafia... then what? We hit t_co next?
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Since we can't edit, clarification:
I mean Faronel has 3 (not 4) posts in the thread, 1 which was before the game started.
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I don't think what t_co is doing is valuable at all. he isn't rationally disagreeing. What is he disagreeing with?
t_co's actions:
1. runs for elected positions
2. votes for himself which he can't do
3. starts losing, then accuses me and meeple of being mafia and allied
4. says we shouldn't lynch anyone day 1
5. urges the town to lynch the mayor no matter who it is
6. again pushes the doctorhelvetica/meeple alliance
7. can provide zero evidence of said alliance
8. says we should lynch people at random
What is this doing besides confusing and disrupting? Here is an example of positive disagreement.
Player X: I think these clues point toward Player A being mafia?
Player Y: I disagree, I think the clues fit Player B more.
That isn't what t_co has been doing. He's been changing his arguments multiple times. He has said twice not to lynch anyone day 1, even after being informed that the mayor HAS to lynch someone, says he hasn't been called for anyone to be lynched after saying that the town needs to lynch the mayor, and points fingers with no basis for his accusations.
I know it seems like all the town is on one side, but that isn't the case. We've been having rational disagreements on who the mayor should lynch from day 1, who the clues point to, and what information we can get from various lynchings. That is the kind of disagreement that will help the town move forward.
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Also, I think faronel voted for t_co initially for the same reason a lot of people did. He made a banner and appeared to put the most effort into his campaign.
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Pretty much everyone has voted at this point, so let me post the voting list since people seem to be using that a bit right now:
Abenson - Voted for Meeple
Ghote- Voted for Meeple
StimiLant - Voted for t_co
Bill Murray - Voted for citi.zen, changed to meeple
magicbullet - Voted for t_co
789 - Voted for t_co, changed to DoctorHelvetica, changed back to t_co, then abstained
flamewheel91 - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
CynanMachae - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Keit - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Faronel - Voted for t_co
DoctorHelvetica - Voted for meeple
citi.zen - Voted for DoctorHelvetica, changed to meeple
tredmasta - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
derfboy - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
[NyC]Hobbes - Voted for meeple
Ser Aspi - Voted for t_co
meeple - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Jayme - Voted for meeple
Zona - Voted for meeple, changed to t_co, changed to abstain
Hyperbola - Voted for citi.zen
kane]deth[ - Voted for t_co
The_Master - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Mystlord - Voted for meeple
Fallen_arK - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Jugan - Voted for DoctorHelvetica, changed to meeple
dinmsab - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
skronch - Voted for t_co, edited to DoctorHelvetica
Nikoner - Voted for t_co, changed to DoctorHelvetica
Ng5 - Abstained from voting
Phrujbaz - Voted for t_co
t_co - Abstained from voting
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Is a low post count and support of a suspicious character grounds for lynching? I understand wanting to keep an active member in the game... but t_co hasn't been productive for all his activity. He wildly points fingers without much support and changes his story all the time. If you want to see the other side of things, and wish that other people do... why don't you take that side and challenge people. You seem much more coherent than he was...
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^correction
t_co - Voted for self, discounted, chose to abstain
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At first I hadn't realised that Bill Murray has been posting so much... and most, if not all, of his posts are like this:
On January 22 2010 08:24 Bill Murray wrote:
I vote for a double lynch on day 2
Which doesn't even make sense, since it will most likely lead to us lynching 2 townies, if anything...
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If Faronel is mafia, I think t_co is worth lynching.
It is possible that Faronel has supported t_co without having previous connections to him, but more than one poster has mentioned this theory before (citi.zen, for example) about Faronel's actions in this thread, and Faronel hasn't responded in any way.
I'm against a t_co lynch because he's posting. A lynch of Faronel is a lynch of a person who isn't that active and might shed some light on t_co (although Faronel turning up townie does NOT clear t_co).
Actually, stepping back, I've just realized that my actions can be construed as me/t_co being mafia knowing that Faronel is not, but whether or not you guys think this course of action is reasonable depends on how much you think Faronel's actions are him supporting t_co or him randomly agreeing with t_co and earlier voting for him.
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We don't learn anything at all by lynching faronel. He seems likely to just be an inactive townie who threw his support behind t_co cause he made a pretty banner.
If we're not going to lynch t_co, lynch Hobbes since at least he is connected to clues.
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