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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 01:56 GMT
#361
Well let's worry about #1 right now.

In other words, who should the mayor lynch?
RIP Aaliyah
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 21 2010 02:00 GMT
#362
On January 21 2010 09:44 Nikoner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 08:26 789 wrote:At this point I'm actually expecting to get hit on night 1. The mafia does have nothing to lose from killing me, and they will probably see it that way. Attention Mafia Members: I'm most likely wrong, please spare me :D


Post the list then. We'll have a decent idea of whether you're a townie by day 2 in that case.

Agreeing with this point to an extent.

The longer he takes to post said "list" though the more skeptical you have to approach it as. Misdirection is always a nuisance. Actually i'd rather he not post a list at this point in the game at all. Almost any guess is just plain wild conjecture and it may very well skew the towns attention all over the place.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 21 2010 02:03 GMT
#363
t_co is now at the top of my lynching list, without hesitation. Feronel is no. 2 - he voted for t_co and his only post (as far as I can tell) supports the suggesting to kill the mayor, now that t_co lost the election. Hobbes is no. 3 on my list, based on clues. magicbullet and 789 are also suspect, to a lesser degree but certainly there. They voted for t_co as well, and yesterday I made this note:

On January 20 2010 14:16 citi.zen wrote:
How about this: one of Qatol's quotes is: "guns make you stupid." We have a player called magicbullet - who could resent that and call him vile, dirty scum.


Who thinks I will not survive the night???
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 21 2010 02:06 GMT
#364
Holding back your suspicions does not benefit the town - if you are killed, you cannot contribute your information any longer. The mafia start the game with an information advantage, we start with numbers, and a information disadvantage. They know everything except for the knowledge of the townies who have extra powers. We have to throw out everything we're thinking until we can determine some things make more sense than others.

Also although I think it's not a good idea for the mafia to sacrifice one of their own so early, as basically each member is a 'extra life' for the mafia (so to speak) and losing one early means they have one less shield to win the game, don't automatically think they'll be obvious about everything they do. Members won't always vote in their own favor to make it less obvious, etc.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Ser Aspi
Profile Joined January 2010
France84 Posts
January 21 2010 02:15 GMT
#365
On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote:
Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp.

So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster.

So far the candidates are: myself, DoctorH, meeple, 789 and t_co. I think one of us, and only one, is a mobster.

PS: I also realize that I am an idiot for continuing to offer my best guesses to the public: if these guesses are right, the mob will kill me to get rid of a troublesome player. Who else would they go for? If I am wrong, I will move to the top of the list for getting lynched by the town, since I argued my points clearly and strongly and got innocent people killed (say... [NyC]Hobbes gets lynched but turns out to be innocent this round - who would you all blame?!?).


i really like to see stuff like this I don't really have any good thoughts of my own yet but I think that you are brave in stepping up and pointing the finger.

citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 21 2010 02:18 GMT
#366
Look at this:

On January 20 2010 17:14 t_co wrote:
[image loading]


My Fellow Liquidians,

We face the threat of extermination. Within our ranks, there lurks members whose sole driving focus is to kill us all (and hopefully leave a few clues behind). Individually, all we are armed with is our wits. That will not be enough, for our enemy strikes unseen while we must cast our votes openly.

The answer is trust. We must learn to trust one another even as we fight an unseen enemy in our ranks, and that is impossible without someone to lead the way.

That is why, today, I am running to be your Sheriff. I will strive to discover and work with Blues in the best manner possible, so that we can all make it out of here alive. I've played in good mafia games, bad mafia games, and served time in the psychotic morass known as Caller's Red Army, so I know how to be a man and do the right thing.

Vote for survival. Vote t_co for your Mafia XVI Sheriff.


Then, after falling way behind in the election:

On January 21 2010 08:06 t_co wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 07:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well I'm running and since I'm biased I'll say myself.

I voted for meeple, I think he'll do fine. He seems pretty level-headed and analytical and I don't have any reason to believe he is mafia.


This, coming from the same person who said

Show nested quote +

meeple (platform isn't really anything at all)


seems kind of odd. I find this sudden tightness between meeple and DH kind of suspicious.

But the main topic here should be that we should lynch the mayor regardless of whether we think he is mafia or not.

The mayor role is actually quite overpowered compared to the sheriff, but the power only helps if the mayor is mafia.

Consider that the extra three votes of the mayor don't really start kicking in until later in the game, when vote total gets smaller and smaller. By then, most of the bodyguards may be dead.

If the mayor is town, then the mafia can kill him.

If the mayor is mafia, the mafia get an additional 2 votes to use when there aren't that many actives left.

In this case, the mayor is a pretty useless role for the town to keep and should be lynched ASAP. It would also allow the meeple DH duo to be verified, as if one of the two shows up clean, the other ought to be clean as well.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 21 2010 02:27 GMT
#367
no, the mafia won't automatically kill anyone who has the best suspicions - that can help strengthen whatever suspicions that player posted.
Of course, the take it a level beyond, maybe the mafia will kill anyone with the best suspicions, because we as a town don't assume they will kill whoever has the best suspicions.

But yes, that t_co thing is fishy. I am in favor of lynching him, since at this point we don't necessarily have any better targets.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
January 21 2010 02:44 GMT
#368
Ok really? Lynching the mayor just because he is the mayor? That's like saying: Let's all lynch everyone who is contributing so the thread goes silent. I get the "reasoning" behind doing so but killing off important roles would just ruin everyone's fun.

I also think it is a bit early to analyze anyone's behavior. Although T_co may seem fishy, I'd like to stick to clues for lynching instead.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 02:48 GMT
#369
On January 21 2010 11:27 Zona wrote:
no, the mafia won't automatically kill anyone who has the best suspicions - that can help strengthen whatever suspicions that player posted.
Of course, the take it a level beyond, maybe the mafia will kill anyone with the best suspicions, because we as a town don't assume they will kill whoever has the best suspicions.

But yes, that t_co thing is fishy. I am in favor of lynching him, since at this point we don't necessarily have any better targets.


The Mafia, with 3 kill power, can merely kill people of all different sentiments to make it unclear who may have been right or wrong.
RIP Aaliyah
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 21 2010 02:51 GMT
#370
On January 21 2010 11:18 citi.zen wrote:
Look at this:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 17:14 t_co wrote:
[image loading]


My Fellow Liquidians,

We face the threat of extermination. Within our ranks, there lurks members whose sole driving focus is to kill us all (and hopefully leave a few clues behind). Individually, all we are armed with is our wits. That will not be enough, for our enemy strikes unseen while we must cast our votes openly.

The answer is trust. We must learn to trust one another even as we fight an unseen enemy in our ranks, and that is impossible without someone to lead the way.

That is why, today, I am running to be your Sheriff. I will strive to discover and work with Blues in the best manner possible, so that we can all make it out of here alive. I've played in good mafia games, bad mafia games, and served time in the psychotic morass known as Caller's Red Army, so I know how to be a man and do the right thing.

Vote for survival. Vote t_co for your Mafia XVI Sheriff.


Then, after falling way behind in the election:

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 08:06 t_co wrote:
On January 21 2010 07:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well I'm running and since I'm biased I'll say myself.

I voted for meeple, I think he'll do fine. He seems pretty level-headed and analytical and I don't have any reason to believe he is mafia.


This, coming from the same person who said


meeple (platform isn't really anything at all)


seems kind of odd. I find this sudden tightness between meeple and DH kind of suspicious.

But the main topic here should be that we should lynch the mayor regardless of whether we think he is mafia or not.

The mayor role is actually quite overpowered compared to the sheriff, but the power only helps if the mayor is mafia.

Consider that the extra three votes of the mayor don't really start kicking in until later in the game, when vote total gets smaller and smaller. By then, most of the bodyguards may be dead.

If the mayor is town, then the mafia can kill him.

If the mayor is mafia, the mafia get an additional 2 votes to use when there aren't that many actives left.

In this case, the mayor is a pretty useless role for the town to keep and should be lynched ASAP. It would also allow the meeple DH duo to be verified, as if one of the two shows up clean, the other ought to be clean as well.


I said I was running for Sheriff, not Mayor. What does your posting prove?
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 02:53 GMT
#371
I thought there was no running for sheriff or mayor. You run for an elected position, the person with the first most votes gets Sheriff and the person with the second most gets Mayor.

It says in the op, mayor wins second place in "the election" and sheriff wins first. So there is no running for anything specific : /
RIP Aaliyah
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 21 2010 03:03 GMT
#372
t_co, I don't like how you're just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Anyone running is running for both positions.

In any case, thanks for reminding me about the sober reality of 3 mafia kills per night...sigh. In any case, if I were mafia, I would simply kill the most active posters, since without discussion, it becomes a lot harder to figure out who the mafia are. I hope our medics keep this in mind.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 21 2010 03:08 GMT
#373
I noticed the t_co inconsistency as well, and found it suspicious. However, I think it's rather hasty to lynch him based on merely that. I don't see any clues that would point directly or indirectly to t_co, but it's important to note that we only have clues for two out of seven right now. However, I still think caution is best.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
January 21 2010 03:14 GMT
#374
I agree with citi.zen, t_co has been acting very strangely. Even if he isn't mafia, I don't believe we want a sheriff or mayor who acts like him.

One thing I haven't seen us consider yet is how many people (if any) the Mafia is trying to get into office. If all the Mafia are active, it would be more than easy enough for them to get anyone they wanted into office (especially since half the townies are inactive so far). On the other hand, if only a few Mafia are active, the town is in a wonderful position.

citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 21 2010 03:16 GMT
#375
I think we can't go wrong lynching t_co: if he is guilty, we have many leads to investigate and gain a huge advantage. If he turns out to have been innocent after we killed him, then all those guys are exonerated. So one way or another, lynching him brings some clarity.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 03:16 GMT
#376
My list
DoctorHelvetica
Meeple
Bill Murray
Citi.zen

I noticed a voting pattern between the four of them. First Doctor and Meeple voted for eachother and seem to support eachother for no apparent reason.

Bill Murray originally voted for citi.zen, but changed his vote to meeple when it was apparent meeple was receiving other votes and citi.zen was not.

Citi.zen originally voted for doctor, but changed his vote to meeple when it appeared doctor was getting a lot of votes. It started to seem like they were trying to get both meeple and doctor elected.

Bill Murray also did what might have been a slip up posting "we need to get meeple out here hitting the campaign trail"

Anyway, that's my flimsy list that's probably wrong and going to get me killed for announcing.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 03:18 GMT
#377
lol
RIP Aaliyah
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 21 2010 03:20 GMT
#378
You're right: I did want both DoctorH and meeple elected, to keep 3rd place candidate t_co out of office.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 03:22 GMT
#379
like i said before, voting history probably won't be very important until we have reason to believe a mayor/sheriff is mafia

there are too many reasons why someone could change their vote or vote in the first place, it just isn't ground to start painting people red over.

now, I think Bill Murray's comment can be explained by the fact that meeple announced his candidacy very quietly in the vote thread whereas everyone else made a much bigger deal of it.
RIP Aaliyah
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 21 2010 03:23 GMT
#380
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.
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