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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Kobe: Ok, I'm done. Let me choke hold the nearest person so I can get out of here. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
the australians put up a good fight, but the sheer amount of skill in the us team is too much for everyone. I'm looking forward to the semi final against Argentina. Should be a bit closer than today, but I don't expect any surprises. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
Left for work this morning and we're down by five. Lose by 33 by the time I start. I've been really impressed with Joe Ingles this Olympics. He lacks the atheleticism of the Dream Team guys, but his BBIQ is right up there with some of them. I'd love to see him get a shot in the NBA when he's finished in Europe. | ||
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YODA_
593 Posts
On August 09 2012 09:12 RowdierBob wrote: Dream Team can just turn on it when they need to. Left for work this morning and we're down by five. Lose by 33 by the time I start. I've been really impressed with Joe Ingles this Olympics. He lacks the atheleticism of the Dream Team guys, but his BBIQ is right up there with some of them. I'd love to see him get a shot in the NBA when he's finished in Europe. High basketball IQ just doesn't really cut it in the NBA. Ask, like, every decent college senior ever. High basketball IQ, smart decisions, and grittyness means nothing if you can't properly defend your position, you can't shoot, and just are not that athletic. Sad but true. That said, I've never watched him. I see he's 6'8', 200 lbs, does he play SF? Because a 6'8" 200lb PF is worthless in the NBA. Even at SF, 200lbs is still quite low and people like Lebron or Carmello would abuse him all day long. But they abuse just about anyone, so that hardly means he wouldn't get a shot. | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
just what I noticed anyway | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 09 2012 22:12 bellsprout wrote: I'm wondering...does coach K actually do any coaching? I've never seen him discuss any strat in his interviews, never seen him draw any plays in timeouts. does he leave it up to the assistant coaches, while he just acts as the team motivator/personality manager? They have assistant coach Dantoni, who's pretty good with offense but not exactly known for defense, which team USA is sorely lacking. Also, on offense, Team USA never runs any sets, very few pick n rolls, little penetration. they've been getting it done but they seem to make it a lot harder than it actually is. every other team does so much with so little, just with a little gameplan, but with team USA, it's like the exact opposite. just what I noticed anyway tbh when you have the lineup usa has, over-coaching is def a possibility. other than that, coach k is an AMAZING coach, one of the best in the history of the sport easily. | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
On August 09 2012 22:49 stratmatt wrote: tbh when you have the lineup usa has, over-coaching is def a possibility. other than that, coach k is an AMAZING coach, one of the best in the history of the sport easily. he could well be, but at the same time you can see how the results of Team USA may not be directly correlated with his coaching ability. and it's evident that there are some fundamentals that the team does not do very well, eg pick n roll defense. and i think at this stage of the team it can't be attributed to apathy/lack of effort | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On August 09 2012 23:43 bellsprout wrote: he could well be, but at the same time you can see how the results of Team USA may not be directly correlated with his coaching ability. and it's evident that there are some fundamentals that the team does not do very well, eg pick n roll defense. and i think at this stage of the team it can't be attributed to apathy/lack of effort Two words: Larry Brown. Yes, this team has problems (and indeed I don't think Coach K is necessarily the best coach for this job) but Larry ruined a team. Coach K realizes that undercoaching is better than making really stupid decisions and this point. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
On August 09 2012 09:12 RowdierBob wrote: Dream Team can just turn on it when they need to. Left for work this morning and we're down by five. Lose by 33 by the time I start. I've been really impressed with Joe Ingles this Olympics. He lacks the atheleticism of the Dream Team guys, but his BBIQ is right up there with some of them. I'd love to see him get a shot in the NBA when he's finished in Europe. They are a fantastic US national team, but they are not the Dream Team. -,- | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 10 2012 01:52 r00ty wrote: They are a fantastic US national team, but they are not the Dream Team. -,- you're right. they might even be better with today's ridiculous athleticism. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On August 09 2012 23:43 bellsprout wrote: he could well be, but at the same time you can see how the results of Team USA may not be directly correlated with his coaching ability. and it's evident that there are some fundamentals that the team does not do very well, eg pick n roll defense. and i think at this stage of the team it can't be attributed to apathy/lack of effort It's not like it matters that much lol, not when you're twice as athletic and talented as any other team out there. Just getting all these egos to work together and play like a team is already good enough | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:25 Whatson wrote: It's not like it matters that much lol, not when you're twice as athletic and talented as any other team out there. Just getting all these egos to work together and play like a team is already good enough Exactly, Coach K has done a great job managing egos and making Team USA play as a pretty cohesive team. The 02' and 04' teams lacked team unity, not talent. | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:08 stratmatt wrote: you're right. they might even be better with today's ridiculous athleticism. Could be. We'll never know.  Edit: can.. not.. resist.. So: The game and the players evolved big time, but MJ was a crazy(!) competitor and under the basket: Patrick Ewing and David Robinson in their prime against Chandler and KLove... It would be very close and those guys back then deserve more respect than Kobe gave 'em. What's next? Flaming Bill Russel for not being a freak athlete like D. Howard or Oscar Robertson because LeBron would own him? It was a stupid thing to say and is a stupid discussion in the end. On August 10 2012 03:45 zeratul_jf wrote: Sorry if this was stated in some part of the thread before but when are the semifinals? Tomorrow. Russia - Spain should be interesting. I expect a low score game around 75 points max per team. USA - Argentina: Will we see a surprise? Don't think so. I hope for an exciting game with less ball punching and other unsportsmanlike shit. Still rooting for the underdog. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 10 2012 02:46 holy_war wrote: Exactly, Coach K has done a great job managing egos and making Team USA play as a pretty cohesive team. The 02' and 04' teams lacked team unity, not talent. Those teams were also poorly constructed. Too many ball stoppers who play one on one on offense. They didn't have good outside shooters. Some were terrible at defense. This team has plenty of good outside shooters who are good at the catch and shoot. They have good passers as well. Even the two biggest ball stoppers on the team (Kobe and Carmelo) are efficient enough at the catch and shoot that they work well when Lebron, Deron or CP3 are handling the ball. | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
On August 10 2012 04:30 andrewlt wrote: Those teams were also poorly constructed. Too many ball stoppers who play one on one on offense. They didn't have good outside shooters. Some were terrible at defense. This team has plenty of good outside shooters who are good at the catch and shoot. They have good passers as well. Even the two biggest ball stoppers on the team (Kobe and Carmelo) are efficient enough at the catch and shoot that they work well when Lebron, Deron or CP3 are handling the ball. lol kobe. from what ive seen in this competition, i think other teams' best defense is to leave kobe open, D up the other 4 and hope coach K keeps giving kobe extended minutes like he's been doing. his garbage time display vs australia doesn't vindicate him at all, and he still plays no D. | ||
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