EPTOlympic Fencing! - Page 6
| Forum Index > London Olympics |
|
Makro
France16890 Posts
| ||
|
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:15 Mafe wrote: Just make priority change after each double hit. That's an interesting idea actually. | ||
|
Blackrobe
United States806 Posts
There was no reason for this to happen. | ||
|
Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
From what i understood she should've won as the german girl made her point after time expired. | ||
|
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:33 Pika Chu wrote: Can someone explain exactly what happened? From what i understood she should've won as the german girl made her point after time expired. The machine doesn't count fractions of a section, and each of Heidemann's attacks took less than a second. Therefore, she got three attacks off with one second remaining. After her third point, the clock was restarted and hit 0:00 (it had to be after the point, because you cannot trigger the scoring light otherwise). As a result, the referee ordered the clock reset to 0:01 (because, again, there are no fractions of a second on the machine). Heidemann scores, and according to the rules, wins legitimately. The issue is that those 4 attacks in no way took 1 second or less, but the timekeeping system can't account for that. Therefore, there is no rule in place to take a point away from her - but still a substantial case to make that Shin should have won. There's other issues too, like that Heidemann's en garde distance was way, way too close (meant to be tips of the blades touching with arms extended, blades were nearly crossed with her in a crouch instead), but the referee didn't do anything about it and allowed the time to be started. | ||
|
Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
| ||
|
Kkxtrouble
Brazil575 Posts
| ||
|
cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
| ||
|
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FuysK.gif) | ||
|
NIJ
1012 Posts
On July 31 2012 04:19 Raelcun wrote: This is common for Olympic rulings is it not? It seems like they frequently will say the wrong decision was made but not overturn it in order to not undermine the judges. this is true, olympics every year is shite, but it's been hitting the korean team particular hard this yr so its especially tougher to deal with it as korean team supporter (myself included). and we're only 3 days in sheesh. | ||
|
cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
HOLY FUDGE, lol! That's freakin' epic! :-D | ||
|
L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
| ||
|
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 31 2012 12:15 L3g3nd_ wrote: i quite liked watching the fencing, though the system for overtime blows my mind. Ruins the sport imo, i know im not very informed about it, but that a player can win off a coin flip makes the whole sport silly Yes, it is a silly rule. But you know what is sillier? + Show Spoiler + Refers to non-combativity, but if there's no fixed cut-off point to a bout, you can get stuff like this where nobody wants to commit. edit: don't take this to mean I like the idea of a coinflip being used, but it's there for a reason | ||
|
Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:38 Dfgj wrote: The machine doesn't count fractions of a section, and each of Heidemann's attacks took less than a second. Therefore, she got three attacks off with one second remaining. After her third point, the clock was restarted and hit 0:00 (it had to be after the point, because you cannot trigger the scoring light otherwise). As a result, the referee ordered the clock reset to 0:01 (because, again, there are no fractions of a second on the machine). Heidemann scores, and according to the rules, wins legitimately. The issue is that those 4 attacks in no way took 1 second or less, but the timekeeping system can't account for that. Therefore, there is no rule in place to take a point away from her - but still a substantial case to make that Shin should have won. There's other issues too, like that Heidemann's en garde distance was way, way too close (meant to be tips of the blades touching with arms extended, blades were nearly crossed with her in a crouch instead), but the referee didn't do anything about it and allowed the time to be started. To also expand on this, if you watched the video you obviously saw the Korean coach explode and demand an overturn of the results, requesting the judging staff watch the official video. Shin A-Lam (the Korean fencer), was forced to stay in the Piste (the field of play) and then refused to leave it, because the judging staff declared that she would automatically forfeit if she, at any time, left the Piste. A big part of the controversy directly followed, where the judging staff required the Korean team to pay a cash deposit on the spot in order to secure an appeal, else it would be denied. After the appeal was denied (due to the lack of a cash deposit), an official then attempted to escort Shin A-Lam off the Piste. However, keep in mind that if Shin A-Lam left the Piste, then she would automatically forfeit the match and lose any grounds for an appeal. Then another official came over and removed her from the Piste, despite the demands for an appeal, thus forcing the Korean team to symbolically accept the decision. Also I would like to note that after being informed that the Korean team could not make a cash deposit, one of the crew heads said "It's not our problem." So not only was the infinite 1 second controversial, but the demand for a cash deposit for an appeal as well. | ||
|
OpTicalRH
147 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/33RQ4.jpg) Messing with Park Tae Hwan with ridiculous DSQ affecting his mentality and performance. Then Korean judoka Cho Joon Ho wins JUDO 3:0 decision of 3 judgement and Japan audiences jeer and high officer calls them JAPAN WON! Now with this fencing issues where 1 second is magically lengthened due to clock error followed up with disrespecting Shin on twitter. This olympics is fucking disgusting for Koreans. | ||
|
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 31 2012 12:31 Jugan wrote: So not only was the infinite 1 second controversial, but the demand for a cash deposit for an appeal as well. I'm under the impression this is standard procedure to prevent frivolous use of the appeal system. It's constant across events afaik. Shin was asked to leave after the decision was made. At that point, further protest is delaying the tournament. Yes, it's unfortunate, but you can't halt mid-way through endlessly, especially after an appeal is completed. | ||
|
Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 31 2012 12:32 OpTicalRH wrote: BBC, are you fucking kidding me? Messing with Park Tae Hwan with ridiculous DSQ affecting his mentality and performance. Then Korean judoka Cho Joon Ho wins JUDO 3:0 decision of 3 judgement and Japan audiences jeer and high officer calls them JAPAN WON! Now with this fencing issues where 1 second is magically lengthened due to clock error followed up with disrespecting Shin on twitter. This olympics is fucking disgusting for Koreans. Thats bit disgusting to be fucking honest. Dunno, is this tweeter trying to be funny or something? I remember a tweet where BBC kept informing about the protest and one of the tweets said something like, "i guess the crowd likes protests.." When crowd was occasionally cheering for the Korean fencer. | ||
|
lisward
Singapore959 Posts
Priority is given before the 1 minute bout if fenced so that the fencers don't drag out the match forever. It doesn't matter if your opponent is given priority or not, because in the 1 minute you are fencing, both fencers have equal chances of scoring a point. There is no 'defender's advantage' in Epee, the reason why you were seeing Shin and the Gold medalist fence with a lot of counter attacks is due in part to the nature of their fencing style, when you post with a French grip most of the time you have to fence a counter attack-ish style because you lose a lot of strength and precision in your blade work. At the highest level of fencing, there is no 'mental' advantage to priority as well, you can never count on bleeding one minute, it was entirely Britta's fault that she let the match go to the last 3 seconds and was force to fleche every second. It didn't matter did it? She won anyway. | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On July 31 2012 12:32 OpTicalRH wrote: BBC, are you fucking kidding me? Messing with Park Tae Hwan with ridiculous DSQ affecting his mentality and performance. Then Korean judoka Cho Joon Ho wins JUDO 3:0 decision of 3 judgement and Japan audiences jeer and high officer calls them JAPAN WON! Now with this fencing issues where 1 second is magically lengthened due to clock error followed up with disrespecting Shin on twitter. This olympics is fucking disgusting for Koreans. FUCK fuck this olympic FUCK | ||
|
ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
Look at this moron all excited and worked up.. I am just glad that there are thousands, (I've never seen more support on yahoo articles, like 5000 thumbs up for each comment) of people supporting Shin and agreeing how ridiculous it was, both the decision, and German fencer's reaction. | ||
| ||
