EPTOn August 06 2012 06:11 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Feel so bad for Powell. Every time
Feel so bad for Powell. Every time
Did he strain his hamstring?
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
I don't know what happened but I noticed something very interesting during his semi-final run. If you look carefully at the slow-mo replay, Powell almost comes to a halt as soon as he crosses the finish line. Anyone who has experience in Track & Field will know that when you cross the line (at a sprint) you should bring yourself to slow down naturally; the reasons being fairly obvious. However, Powell slows down very quickly and he's almost going into a limp. I may be incorrect, but I believe Powell didn't warm up fully before his semi-final and actually pricked his hamstring at the very end of the semi-final. That, in turn, carried over to the final where it, ultimately, didn't hold up. Didn't hear anyone commenting on it, but it was something I noticed after watching the race in a slow-mo. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:49 Chiburi wrote: Hey, I'm looking for somewhere to watch the Men's 3000m steeplechase finals. Can someone help me out and post a link? Man...Jager just didn't have it today. Possibly peaked too early as he ran superbly in Monaco right before the Olympics. Nice run from Kemboi and love his antics at the end. Yet another amazing run by Bolt, talk about a great sprinter who sure does deliver when it counts. Also GDMN Justin Gatlin got a medal. T_T | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:46 TranceStorm wrote: Great run by Bolt and Blake. I was disappointed that Gatlin finished ahead of Gay. Couldn't agree with your sentiments more...I just don't feel their should be any tolerance for drug cheats at all. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:07 L_Master wrote: Couldn't agree with your sentiments more...I just don't feel their should be any tolerance for drug cheats at all. Although I do feel bad for Gay especially since what he went through last time around with injuries and all I still admire Gatlin. He stuck with the sport, which must be so tough for that long of a time period, and came in in such good shape and performed when it counted. I respect people who don't take second chances for granted and battle to get back to the top. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:30 AoN.DimSum wrote: Not trying to start a argument about drugs, but do you think Bolt and Gay are clean? I always just give people the benefit of the doubt and believe people are innocent until proven guilty. It's too hard to tell if someone is doping or not. It's not like doping gives you instant muscles, immaculate recovery, and instant win power. Drugs only give a relatively minor performance enhancement. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:18 AirbladeOrange wrote: Although I do feel bad for Gay especially since what he went through last time around with injuries and all I still admire Gatlin. He stuck with the sport, which must be so tough for that long of a time period, and came in in such good shape and performed when it counted. I respect people who don't take second chances for granted and battle to get back to the top. I basically agree with everything you wrote, but at the same time don't feel that Gatlin should have ever had that opportunity in the first place. On August 06 2012 13:30 AoN.DimSum wrote: Not trying to start a argument about drugs, but do you think Bolt and Gay are clean? Who knows? I'm incline to give benefit of the doubt unless some really, really suspicious stuff happens and for me a natural progression to super, super fast times just isn't enough to accuse them of being doped up. Especially with samples now being kept for 8+ years I think there is a good chance we will eventually know who was doping and who wasn't. Honestly the most alarming performance I've seen recently is Gebremeskel's run in Paris. I'm definitely not saying he is doping, but it was certainly the kind of run that raises eyebrows. A 54.6 last lap (shutting it down some last 20-30m) off of 12:45 pace is a pretty damn insane run. He looked relaxed the whole way and didn't even seem like he has put in a significant effort right after he finished. He may not (though there is a good chance he does) have the speed to hang with Farah and Rupp is the pace is slow, but their is a damn good chance he is the fittest guy in the race and I could see him cruising away with it if he puts the hammer down Bekele 08' style and crushes the last 1200m-mile. I wish we had seen more of him but I'm inclined to say Gebremeskel is the favorite, or at least on equal footing, with Mo in this race. Maybe I'm too hyped/reading into his last race...but that run in Paris was really, really, really, fucking good. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On August 06 2012 13:30 AoN.DimSum wrote: Not trying to start a argument about drugs, but do you think Bolt and Gay are clean? + Show Spoiler + I always ask, if I had to put my life on it , which way would I bet. TBH I would have to say they are juicing but thats just my own personal opinion. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
Because he was banned for known masking agents, not enhancements (even tho the masking agents are tehre for a reason...to mask... and are well known to be illegal). HOWEVER... He was only given the shorter ban because the chemical was a part of a male enhancement product he proved he was taking, and was unaware of the agent present. So basically his defence was that he just wanted a bigger Penis. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On August 06 2012 14:58 fearus wrote: + Show Spoiler + I always ask, if I had to put my life on it , which way would I bet. TBH I would have to say they are juicing but thats just my own personal opinion. One of my closest friends won the commenwealth games in the Decathlon a couple years back... I personally know 4 Olympians in track and field from Canada their competing right now. (I used to run track and field for the University of Windsor). I also competing on a semi-pro level. I have never been offered any drug.. neither has 3 of my 4 friends.. (the 4th I just don't know.. don't talk much) I have never seen anything suspicious either And to be honest.. The IOC and the dopping agency now keeps samples for over 8 years now and tests regularily... They do this so when the testing technology gets better, they can re-test samples in order to "catch-up" with the masking techniques.... Taking performancing enhancing drugs in this system would be beyond stupid.. you WILL get caught, unless you have inside knowledge on if/when you are being tested.. which I have never observed. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Interesting, but that's pretty intense how close the WR is to the "fastest speed physically possible". Of course, I think that's WITHOUT ideal wind conditions. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
Bolt reportedly did relatively little weight training prior to 2008, he doesn't seem super enthusiastic about it as a lot of tyson gay type bulky sprinters are, and in the videos he's leg pressing surprisingly low amounts of weight. Taking steroids seems to lead him to want to train more, as opposed to sleep, have fun, and eat chicken nuggets. Edit: Then again, his coach has a history of giving out steroids, and http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2008/08/german-olympic.html So maybe he's less likely than other Jamaican (and possibly american) sprinters. | ||
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IreScath
Canada521 Posts
On August 06 2012 16:48 Itsmedudeman wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16160-perfect-athletes-100m-sprint-time-calculated.html Interesting, but that's pretty intense how close the WR is to the "fastest speed physically possible". Of course, I think that's WITHOUT ideal wind conditions. That is very old research, a newer study has since come out saying the fastest a human bodies muscles and bones can move is close to 60 km/h (16.67 m/s...i think..lol).. The limiting factor being the nervous system in the long run (accounting for optimal muscle fibre count, strength, flexibility, etc) Which (not accounting for accelleration) would be a 100m time of basically 6 seconds flat. Taking into account a normal start and drive phase of the 100m which lasts to around the 30 meter mark... that's 0 - 60 in 30 meters so its 16.67m/s for 70 meters (4.2 seconds).. and lets be generous to time here, and say accelleration is linear (which its not.. you get faster quicker than linear) lets say 30km/s (8.335m/s) for the 30m (~3.6s) for a 100m time of 7.8s This math is spotty, and I cannot recall the exact top speed possible in teh study.. and nor for the life of me can I find it.. but CTV mentioned it on TV during one of there "Olympic science" segments with that doctor.... so I think its safe to assume the fastest time possible is at worst 8.0 - 8.1s FROM THE STUDY. The reason we cannot get to that speed are 2... A) muscle strength and fibre recruitment is not optimal (almost impossible to train for this.. its akin to training a sc2 player to always make every correct decision, and win every game for his entire career... getting the right angles and weights to fully develop each fibre would be ridiculous)... B) Nervous system limitations... The ability for our nervous system to relay the info of changing direction of moving parts in our body and reacting to stimuli is a bottleneck here as well. | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
If anyone knows more about it, has Michael Phelps done the same for swimming? | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On August 06 2012 18:53 Littlemuff wrote: Scientists are calling it the Usain Bolt effect. They were looking at the massive jump of sprinters beating the 10 sec mark since Bolt breezed pass it. Hopefully next generation will have their own superstar that will be breaking records the same way. If anyone knows more about it, has Michael Phelps done the same for swimming? Swimming has been driven a lot by material improvements for the past years and also a lot of testing towards finding the best style for each swimmer. Swimming is a lot more diverse and the styles are constantly changing. 20 years practically nobody used the style used by everyone in the final this year in breastswimming. The fifth swimming discipline is the butterfly legkick underwater and it has gained a lot of fame. At a competitive level the saying is that improvements in technique factor 10 times as much as increasing strenght, when looking at the time used. Because of all of those non-physiological effects it is a lot harder to tell how much effect Phelps has had. A lot of his records have already been beaten and you can find bans being an important part of holding the swimming real. Look at the plastic-suit era (before it got banned) or the underwater backstroke (athletes would save energy by staying underwater for 40 meters after the start. A rule of max 15 meters was implemented to make the backstroke swimming actually have just a little impact on the times!) and tell me straight that those things had no effect at all on how people swim. The plastic suits was a revealation of how important it was to stay close to the surface with the body and the inspirations are just being felt now The underwater swimming made a large focus on improving that exact part of your swimming since it has such a huge effect on your results. Next up are probably improvements and more equal starts and turns. Both are quite different from swimmer to swimmer at the moment. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On August 06 2012 18:53 Littlemuff wrote: Scientists are calling it the Usain Bolt effect. They were looking at the massive jump of sprinters beating the 10 sec mark since Bolt breezed pass it. Hopefully next generation will have their own superstar that will be breaking records the same way. If anyone knows more about it, has Michael Phelps done the same for swimming? A similar thing definitely occurred with Bannister and the 4 minute mile. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 06 2012 15:56 IreScath wrote: I hope everyone that is saying Gatlin shouldn't have run knows why he was banned... I really do... Because he was banned for known masking agents, not enhancements (even tho the masking agents are tehre for a reason...to mask... and are well known to be illegal). HOWEVER... He was only given the shorter ban because the chemical was a part of a male enhancement product he proved he was taking, and was unaware of the agent present. So basically his defence was that he just wanted a bigger Penis. Isn't that a different guy? Gatlin was the one who was blaming his massage therapist from rubbing a steroidal cream on him without his knowledge. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:28 andrewlt wrote: Isn't that a different guy? Gatlin was the one who was blaming his massage therapist from rubbing a steroidal cream on him without his knowledge. Yea, your thinking of US 400m runner LaShawn Merritt, who was using some male enhancement product called ExtenZe. | ||
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