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On November 01 2021 18:37 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2021 16:06 M2 wrote:On November 01 2021 15:27 DarkCore wrote:On November 01 2021 13:34 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote:
Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good. hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough). EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far. True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-) My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk. Show nested quote +On November 01 2021 17:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 01 2021 15:27 DarkCore wrote:On November 01 2021 13:34 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote:
Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good. hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough). EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far. im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds. Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds.
Showmaker (and Damwon) has only been good in the last year and a half (and by good I mean winning tourney's good, they were obviously a good team already), they made World's in 2019 sure but lost in quarters and didn't make it out of groups in 2020 in the MSC vs China.
T1 won 3 in a row just before Damwon, in 2019 Spring and Summer, and in 2020 Spring. Aside from getting first in the split 3 times in a row, nothing Damwon did hasn't already been achieved by Faker and SKT multiple times before, heck Damwon isn't even the first team to win 2 Worlds titles (excluding SKT), that title belongs to Samsung Gen.G.
Damwon's meteoric rise came in the summer of 2020, before that no one considered them the best to challenge SKT in Korea. That title belonged to Griffin, and we all know what happened there.
Showmaker needs 6 more LCK titles, 2 more worlds, and 2 more MSI's to just be even with Faker's record, and even then he can't beat the fact that Faker is Faker.
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I agree that DK has a long way to go, I just meant that ShowMaker has it in him to contend with Faker, so long as he doesn't get weak teams. Faker also had good teams around him whenever he won Worlds (Bengi, Huni, Bang), T1's endless talent pool and budget has ensured that. And Faker was miles ahead of his opponents in the first half of career, but the mid laners in LCK are so much better now (look at which mid veterans are left, it's just Fly and BDD, everyone else has basically retired). I don't think Faker will have the same kind of success he had in the past, and if League is around for another decade (this game is going to fizzle out just as slow as WoW), there's room for another contender. It's unlikely, but it can happen.
This T1 lineup is setup for big success next year though, DK needs to stick together and grab a good top laner if they want to win again.
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I want to watch Meiko become a world champion, but I just can't imagine Damwon losing the series
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Irelia is having a terrible tournament despite that 60% ban rate.
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Lets fucking GOOOOOOOOO
EDG has never lost an international final HOPIUM
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EDG won both their quarter and semi final matches 3:2 too. They're like an anime protagonist that always takes a beating before defeating their opponents.
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It's ogre, I just don't see how Damwon can come back into this
even with that baron
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I think if they close it out the MVP is clearly JieJie. Dude held his own against the best jungler in the world, gave the team win conditions all of the time with the dragon control and smites.
Holy fuck Khan almost solo changed the game with the steal
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On November 06 2021 22:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I want to watch Meiko become a world champion, but I just can't imagine Damwon losing the series
:D
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EDG deserved it, but Damwon's performance was a disappointment. I thought they're going to 3:0 their way to the cup after the group stage.
On November 07 2021 01:55 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I think if they close it out the MVP is clearly JieJie. Dude held his own against the best jungler in the world, gave the team win conditions all of the time with the dragon control and smites.
Holy fuck Khan almost solo changed the game with the steal
Yeah the better jungler won today
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On November 07 2021 02:03 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2021 22:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I want to watch Meiko become a world champion, but I just can't imagine Damwon losing the series :D
I'm very very happy right now. Meiko was one of the best players to not be a world champion. Really excited for Scout and Flandre too. The whole team really. I do feel a little sad for Khan, because he's on that list too.
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This Chinese translator is the MVP of the tournament, the EDG coach just spoke for 5 mins without breathing and she remembered all of it.
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Wait can Viper speak Mandarin? I'm not paying super close attention to see if he's just not answered questions but I just realized there's no Korean translator there. I know Scout does.
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JieJie was fucking robbed
EDIT: Even Scout knows it should have been JieJie
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On November 07 2021 02:20 chipmonklord17 wrote:
JieJie was fucking robbed
Even Scout agrees
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LMAO looks like Brother EDG made sure T1 is the only team to win world's back-to-back. Gotta protect the GOAT legacy by winning themselves.
Also, this is the second T1 semifinals that people thought the winner would come from, only for the LPL team to win.
TSM really is LCK difference-maker.
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Haha, I just finished the series and can't help but lol. Did not expect EDG to have it in them, although DK didn't look particularly confident.
Sad for Khan, but so many hungry veterans on the EDG lineup that have been waiting for this moment for years. Really shut all the haters up.
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wow cant believe dk actually lost. happy that scout and viper got their win and dk dont get consecutive wins but i was sure dk would beat edg. i didnt watch the series but did dk play worse than usual?
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EPT
