EPTWorld Championship 2021 - Page 23
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Tbh, looking over the drafts, EDG also got their comfort picks (Ryze, Jarvan, Graves), guess GenG didn't see that either. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Gen.G are imo the biggest benefactor of this trash format. They barely got into brackets because TL hard choked their tiebreaker, then got the easiest quarter final which was arguably two of the worst teams in quarters fighting for a spot in semis to make it here. They aren't the fourth best team here. Not a chance. Bdd is a monster though. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On November 01 2021 01:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: Thank god EDG saved us from the darkest timeline. I think the real story line for the finals is that one of Meiko and Khan will finally be a world champion after years of "should be"'s. Sadly I don't think EDG has it in them to push the scales three times. Gen.G are imo the biggest benefactor of this trash format. They barely got into brackets because TL hard choked their tiebreaker, then got the easiest quarter final which was arguably two of the worst teams in quarters fighting for a spot in semis to make it here. They aren't the fourth best team here. Not a chance. Bdd is a monster though. its crazy to think this was EDGs FIRST semifinal ever! And now their first Final. Hoping for close games. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8656 Posts
On November 01 2021 05:03 Yorbon wrote: GenG is the semi-finalist of worlds 2021. At least in one sense they are the fourth best team this year. I'll happily reap any salty rewards from those facts. The weakest link of GenG is obviously the midlane; I have it on good authority that BDD was the weakest midlaner of the quarterfinals. Incredible how the rest of his team managed to compensate. what? bdd was gen g's best player this entire worlds. literally carried them out of groups while the rest of the team were very average. dunno wth you were watching | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8656 Posts
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good. hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 01 2021 13:34 evilfatsh1t wrote: hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough). EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On November 01 2021 15:27 DarkCore wrote: I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough). EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far. True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-) | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8656 Posts
On November 01 2021 15:27 DarkCore wrote: I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough). EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far. im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On November 01 2021 16:06 M2 wrote: True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-) I think that would be the case in a few finals. Royal Club vs SKT/SSW are the obvious contenders. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 01 2021 16:06 M2 wrote: True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-) My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk. On November 01 2021 17:46 evilfatsh1t wrote: im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds. Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On November 01 2021 18:37 DarkCore wrote: My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk. Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds. The hardest thing for Showmaker is the team he's on. Are DAMWON gonna put up the money to keep a good roster together? It's very easy to get Kiin'd into a shitter team and waste an entire season. Or go to China to a "superteam" that blows the fuck up and doesn't even make worlds. Also, ironically, T1 kinda hold the keys to the kingdom in terms of which LCK teams can challenge DK next year. Who's to say players like Teddy, Clozer, Zeus, Cuzz can't go and strengthen some of those mid-tier teams and if DK get a downgrade in top lane and lose a player or two..it gets dicey again. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
Whenever I dont see Peekaboo, Genja and Diamondprox mentioned I just get sad and wonder if I've watched a completely different game.  | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On November 01 2021 23:34 DarkCore wrote: Who is Peekaboo? Is that a typo? Genja just had funny off meta picks, he wasn't really anything special. Diamondprox defined the counter jungle meta and is pretty important to the game historically, it's sad because he still plays but nobody cares. Genja isn't there for his offmeta picks, it's his teamfighting and adaptability. Piccaboo reinvented support/botlane and was a mechanical and macro genius, his career got ruined by a serious wrist injury. If he wasnt forced to stop he would honestly have hands down been the greatest of all time (if you disregard fan bias and worlds record) - essentially League's R9. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8656 Posts
On November 01 2021 18:37 DarkCore wrote: My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk. Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds. yeah whether showmaker canyon remain to be a duo will have to be seen, but i do agree that its the duo of them that is bringing success. canyon vs bengi is a much harder debate about best jungler of all time than faker vs anyone, thats how good canyon is. if showmaker loses canyon hes not going to gap other teams like faker was doing even up to 2019. khan/clid/faker shat on nuguri/canyon/showmaker with showmaker even getting solo killed at mid. yeah faker didnt win worlds without bengi but my point is even then he still racked up quite a few trophies and showmaker will find it even more difficult if he also has to part ways with canyon. i mean, even if he stayed with canyon theyd still have to win 7 more lck titles together to overtake faker's count. for me trophies are one of the measures of success and showmaker has a long way to go, but the real reason why i dont think showmaker could be considered the goat is because faker was just literally seasons ahead of the entire professional playerbase for years. seasons kudos to showmaker if he does accumulate that much success and really does show such absolute dominance in game, but for me it only takes another roster like griffin to support chovy before we see a debate about whos the 2nd best mid between showmaker and chovy and the goat debate gets put to rest. keep in mind before griffin went to shit no one even looked at damwon, and they had their worlds roster minus ghost. 19 faker was much better than 21 faker and griffin was better than damwon, which is why it was a contest between skt and griffin the whole year. | ||
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