Play-In Round 1 - 5-7th October - Ten teams are divided into two groups where they play a Single Round Robin format. - All matches are played in a Bo1. - Top teams in each group advance to Group Stage. - 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams in each group advance to Play-In: Round 2. - Bottom team in each group is eliminated.
Play-In Round 2 - 8th-9th October - Six teams from Play-In: Round 1. - The 3rd and 4th placed teams of the same group of Round 1 face each other, winners compete against the 2nd placed team of the other group - All matches are played in a Bo5. - Two winners will advance to Group Stage. - Four losers will be eliminated.
Group Stage - 11th-13th October and 15th-18th October - Four teams from the Play-In Stage join twelve teams with direct entry from China, South Korea, Europe, North America and Southeast Asia. - All sixteen teams are divided into four groups where they play a Double -Round Robin format. - All matches are played in a Bo1. - Top two teams in each group advance to Playoffs. - Bottom two teams in each group are eliminated.
Playoffs - 22-25th October, 30th-31st October, 6th November. -Eight teams play in a single-elimination bracket over five matchdays. -All matches are Bo5.
My favourites to win this year are DK, FPX and RNG. It feels biased to put EDG down like that after a great showing in playoffs (and it was for multiple series too), but I feel their controlled playstyle would not fare well vs DK and RNG. FPX is explosive enough to crush any series if they have a good day.
2nd tier is EDG, MAD and T1, potentially PSG once I watch them. They have a good chance to make it far, unless they get some unlucky draws.
What's really uncool this year is that play-in has 4 spots, and there are 4 major region teams participating. I expect LNG and HLE to cruise through with talent alone, meaning that RGE/C9/DFM/Best Wildcard are going to be competing for 2 spots. There is going to be so much salt if a major region team doesn't make it.
You meant RGE moves to Group stage? Ngl, I prefer this over other scenarios, like people hoping that VCS spot would be filled by 4th EU seed (G2 kekw). It means my previous assertion isn't entirely true anymore, minor regions have a chance to grab the 4th play-in spot. I'm hoping for DFM, they looked pretty good at MSI.
On September 09 2021 23:46 DarkCore wrote: You meant RGE moves to Group stage? Ngl, I prefer this over other scenarios, like people hoping that VCS spot would be filled by 4th EU seed (G2 kekw). It means my previous assertion isn't entirely true anymore, minor regions have a chance to grab the 4th play-in spot. I'm hoping for DFM, they looked pretty good at MSI.
Yep, meant to group stage. I think only g2 fans wanted that to happen. I only watched LJL finals but DFM looked good and 3-0d RJ.
I think its crazy that there's basically no delineation in play ins. The format pretends that LNG, Hanwha, C9 and Beyond are all equivalent and that all the others are also equivalent to each other. So there's a world where the play in groups are:
Haha, look at that RGE group, you can't make this shit up. Imo this group is even worse than what they got last year, FPX is a stronger contender than JDG.
In general, the caliber of teams this year looks higher than 2020, if only because there are less 'weak' teams. - Group A is the most predictable, likely to get C9 but FPX and DK should comfortably make it out. Anything else would be a major upset. - Group B is likely to get the Wildcard, EDG and T1 are favorites but I don't think 100T are going to make it easy for them. - Group C is likely to get HLE, looks like a free for all nightmare. RNG is arguably the favorite because they won MSI, but this group is super close and anything looks possible. - Group D is likely to get LNG, that's another 3-4 team slugfest. Imo, GenG lost group draw because MAD and LNG are proactive, smart teams who won't let GenG play their usual boring, standard League.
In other news, Peace (OCE rep) top laner can't make it due to lockdown in Australia closing the Chinese embassy and he was unable to acquire a visa. He will be replaced by Viziscacsi
On September 10 2021 09:37 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think its crazy that there's basically no delineation in play ins. The format pretends that LNG, Hanwha, C9 and Beyond are all equivalent and that all the others are also equivalent to each other. So there's a world where the play in groups are:
I agree. The issue is that Vietnam coming back is going to make it worse not better without an entire overhaul. How do you treat the region next year? Is it really fair to give them the same seeds that they get now after two years out? How is that fair to OPL for getting into MSI groups this year, or for a potential other minor region if they do well this worlds? Take for example if DFM squeak into second in group B and make it out to the main stage, you would have UoL in groups in worlds 2020, PGG in MSI groups 2021, and DFM in worlds group 2021. Is it fair to say VCS deserves two seeds for literally not competing? What if UoL is the ones to squeak into groups and now LCL has made it to groups two worlds in a row?
On September 22 2021 23:34 Gahlo wrote: Closer's having issues with his visa. Hoping 100T and TSM work out a loan so I have somebody to root for this year.
On September 23 2021 08:14 chipmonklord17 wrote: I agree. The issue is that Vietnam coming back is going to make it worse not better without an entire overhaul. How do you treat the region next year? Is it really fair to give them the same seeds that they get now after two years out? How is that fair to OPL for getting into MSI groups this year, or for a potential other minor region if they do well this worlds? Take for example if DFM squeak into second in group B and make it out to the main stage, you would have UoL in groups in worlds 2020, PGG in MSI groups 2021, and DFM in worlds group 2021. Is it fair to say VCS deserves two seeds for literally not competing? What if UoL is the ones to squeak into groups and now LCL has made it to groups two worlds in a row?
Size of the tournament needs to expand if they want to give major regions 3/4 slots, and still allow minor regions to play. This year it's fairly likely that NA/EU/KR/CN will occupy 14 out of 16 Group stage spots, PSG is 15th, leaving 1 spot between PCS seed #2 and Wildcards. VCS isn't even playing, where's the room for them next year?
I'd be up for dropping #3 seeds into Play-ins, and then having a play-in-group stage. That's 10 current play-in teams + 3 #3 seeds + NA #2 seed + 2 VCS = 16 teams, so 4 groups of 4 (not fair to NA or VCS, this is just an example). Top of each group qualifies for Main Stage, 2nd and 3rd teams from each group play against each other for remaining 4 spots. Or could simplify it so that top 2 of every group directly go to Main stage, but imo that's too rushed and punishes a 3rd place team that ended up in an unusually strong group. Dividing into 4 groups would also allow for fairer seeding than what we have right now. Also, this kind of system would still filter out the boring matches between #1 LCK/LPL seeds steamrolling Wildcards, which is kind of why play-in even exists.
To answer your question, their room for next year is that the spot in group's that is now Rogue's is supposed to be theirs. So it would be 13 of 16, PSG + VCS, PCS2/VCS2/Wildcard.
I'm personally a fan of the old TI format where there were two large groups seeding into a double elimination bracket but there's no way that Riot would ever seed it appropriately. I also think the 4th seeds need to go, maybe keep one fourth seed for an MSI victory bonus but that's it.
People call LNG a darkhorse, but if they lose against HLE (a team that was clearly 4th seed for LCK), I don't think they have it in them to go very far. That said, HLE is a good team with some flaws, so this looks more like a 50/50 to me.
Shame they didn't fix Trynd before worlds, seems a waste to have the most skilled players right click on outdated ass champions the one time a year they congregate
What a downer game, Morgan got a nice camp from his team but still ended 0/4/0. Between Sej jungle and Gragas mid, I think Sej jungle is the bigger troll pick if it's in the hands of Willer, champ did nothing in comparison to Qiyana. Deft got caught out and didn't play cleanly, that random death to Gragas Jax cost them the third dragon.
I could dimly justify the Tryn build, he needs to be tanky enough to not get bursted by LNG, but idk why HLE didn't register that their comp would be outscaled by Jax, he basically hard counters Irelia/Tryn/Ezreal all by himself because of his E.
Yeah, the Jax pick was gigabrain counter to the entirety of Hanwha and Sej being less tanky than Qiyana shows what a dogshit champ she is lol.
Galactic draft diff.
Galatasaray look to be the dark horse in Group B. Who knows, maybe a 3-way tie for first is on if DFM can squeeze a win vs Beyond and C9 throw a game or two.
My eyes are really on the Galatasary vs C9/DFM series tomorrow. Seems like UoL without Gadget is a non factor. Any one win probably puts Galatasary in the main stage, whether that's in first outright or in a series they should probably win against the group B 3rd/4th/5th
is Titan's name supposed to be pronounced like how Wolf is pronouncing it? It's kind of triggering to hear since I know titan is supposed to be pronounced one way
Definitely looking forward to seeing DFM in the best of 5, should be favored against either Peace or RED. Even more excited for the probable Galatasary vs Hanwha series. Hanwha should still be the favorites and still win, but Galatasary definitely showed they have it in them to push. Maybe a 3-1
Happy for DFM and LJL to finally make it to the main event, well deserved.
C9 did well to control vision, it's scary to have to walk in blind into that much poke and Amumu but they just missed everything. Perkz and Vulcan were switched off today. You can chalk the UOL game to bad draft but this one was lack of hands from a winnable position.
I don't understand, I thought DFM were a decent team, but I still expected C9 to take the group. At least they have an easy opponent next. The 4 teams that look like they will make it out are pretty much as expected, just in a slightly different order.
On October 08 2021 04:15 DarkCore wrote: I don't understand, I thought DFM were a decent team, but I still expected C9 to take the group. At least they have an easy opponent next. The 4 teams that look like they will make it out are pretty much as expected, just in a slightly different order.
Bo1s are a fickle bitch. Especially single round robin Bo1s.
No way. Now if DetFM getting out was the only thing that got C9 out of Group A then maybe they would, and honestly should, have thrown. But because no matter what they did they still need Galatasary or Beyond to beat Hanwha there's just no way.
Not what I'm saying. Without Galatasary or Beyond eliminating Hanwha Cloud 9 goes in group A. They need a team that can go into group A that ISN'T them, and with Hanwha being the 4th team from play ins to groups that's impossible. If Beyond beat Hanwha then C9 gets group C. If Galatasary beat Hanwha then C9 gets A or C, because DetFM/Galatasary will be in B and A or C
Ahhh sorry, I was confused because I didn't realize you're talking about the real group stage. I wasn't considering that and just joked that it's better for C9 to place second in their play-in group because that lets them play one more match before groups.
What a long series, both teams really wanted to win. Crazy that Beyond basically won every laning phase but couldn't do much with it, that's a big thing they need to improve on. Don't think Beyond has a chance tomorrow (they might even be mentally drained after this 5 hour series lol), but I want to see how well Doggo does vs Deft.
I feel like Beyond should go all-in on Doggo 1v9 and construct some supportive mage comps like a Lulu or Karma mid. Even Ori. Seems unlikely they can win if they play relatively standard.
But I guess they can prove me wrong? Let's hope their jungler's smite remains functioning for the entirety of the series!
Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
On October 09 2021 04:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
Yep, like why give the EU casters the first series. It makes no sense. It's not like there was a KR team in the second series or something.
On October 09 2021 04:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
Yep, like why give the EU casters the first series. It makes no sense. It's not like there was a KR team in the second series or something.
I didn't even think about it from the team's perspective either until they mentioned its 6:30 in Australia. I guess Riot had to make the choice between having the Beyond bo5 at a time that's good for PCS fans or the Peace series at a good time for the LCO fans. Still no excuse for the caster choices.
On October 09 2021 04:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
Yep, like why give the EU casters the first series. It makes no sense. It's not like there was a KR team in the second series or something.
I didn't even think about it from the team's perspective either until they mentioned its 6:30 in Australia. I guess Riot had to make the choice between having the Beyond bo5 at a time that's good for PCS fans or the Peace series at a good time for the LCO fans. Still no excuse for the caster choices.
Guess which idiot stayed up for the Peace game and its currently uhh7;22AM. 10 hours of league later. Still here :D
On October 09 2021 04:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
Yep, like why give the EU casters the first series. It makes no sense. It's not like there was a KR team in the second series or something.
I didn't even think about it from the team's perspective either until they mentioned its 6:30 in Australia. I guess Riot had to make the choice between having the Beyond bo5 at a time that's good for PCS fans or the Peace series at a good time for the LCO fans. Still no excuse for the caster choices.
Guess which idiot stayed up for the Peace game and its currently uhh7;22AM. 10 hours of league later. Still here :D
Don't worry, you only have to do it one more time :D
Unreal. I don't even know what to say other than how immensely bad I feel for his 4 teammates and how sad it is that a young kid just ruined his career
On October 09 2021 04:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Not that they could have known the first series would go the distance, but shouldn't Riot not have made the LCK duo cast at 4:30am and swap casters for the series
Yep, like why give the EU casters the first series. It makes no sense. It's not like there was a KR team in the second series or something.
I didn't even think about it from the team's perspective either until they mentioned its 6:30 in Australia. I guess Riot had to make the choice between having the Beyond bo5 at a time that's good for PCS fans or the Peace series at a good time for the LCO fans. Still no excuse for the caster choices.
Guess which idiot stayed up for the Peace game and its currently uhh7;22AM. 10 hours of league later. Still here :D
Don't worry, you only have to do it one more time :D
Yeah cause OCE is gonna 3-0 every series from now on and end the games early for me on their way to beating DAMWON and winning worlds!~!
Unreal. I don't even know what to say other than how immensely bad I feel for his 4 teammates and how sad it is that a young kid just ruined his career
Wtf that's just sad, series is over before it even began. Maybe HLE can spice it up by putting Chovy top, Morgan mid is probably same level as BYG auto filled mid.
The whole thing is just sad. The whole team's mentality must be boomed even if they stood a chance with a sub in the first place. The worst part is they definitely stood a chance at a game or two with their real roster
Not a fan of this schedule, two super uneven Bo5s on saturday, nothing on sunday, and the main event starts with DK vs FPX on a monday while us euros are at work and NA folks have to sleep before work. Oh and the final day of group stage is also on a monday, who comes up with this shit?
Yeah today was a slaughter, yesterday's series were so close. Game 3 of C9 vs PCE felt over the moment Zven got that tower dive kill, rest was filler.
Big oof for DFM's group, EDG and T1 are methodical teams that try to minimize mistakes, so it's unlikely they can grab even a single win unless 100T stumble. Group A looks boring except for DWG vs FPX, but I think Group C and D will have lots of close bangers.
Watching the series right now, and seeing Fudge pick GP with Grasp. I thought that was nerfed back on 11.17? Like, doesn't GP get the ranged Grasp proc now on his Q? Or is it still melee?
Yes, but GP is still a good champ in the hands of people who can play him, aka hitting real barrel combos, not just your average triple barrel. He is basically LeBlanc tier, 99.9% of the player base has a negative winrate with him (he is 45% below Diamond, 50% in Masters+).
On October 10 2021 03:20 DarkCore wrote: Yes, but GP is still a good champ in the hands of people who can play him, aka hitting real barrel combos, not just your average triple barrel. He is basically LeBlanc tier, 99.9% of the player base has a negative winrate with him (he is 45% below Diamond, 50% in Masters+).
He is too safe. He negates almost every top laner. He gets free kills with R. Scales like a monster.
If your jungler isn't setting up dives for 15 mins straight then there's not much the other top can do.
looking at the groups now i think theres a pretty good chance that the tournament becomes all lpl/lck out of groups. group c is probably where theres a bit of doubt about hanhwas chances, but for group d i think in the end it will be gen g and lng.
On October 10 2021 18:41 evilfatsh1t wrote: looking at the groups now i think theres a pretty good chance that the tournament becomes all lpl/lck out of groups. group c is probably where theres a bit of doubt about hanhwas chances, but for group d i think in the end it will be gen g and lng.
Group C is probs the biggest question. Group D is actually a group where I expect some tiebreakers so it could go many ways.
On October 10 2021 18:41 evilfatsh1t wrote: looking at the groups now i think theres a pretty good chance that the tournament becomes all lpl/lck out of groups. group c is probably where theres a bit of doubt about hanhwas chances, but for group d i think in the end it will be gen g and lng.
It seems possible, but HLE has gigantic exploit areas and LNG has a tough group, so only groups A and B are likely to be KR/CN dominated. And imo those are the top 2 seeds of each region, so it's not that crazy compared to other years.
DK > FNC: This is a close game, could go either way tbh RNG > PSG: PSG did beat RNG in a bo1 in MSI so maybe they could inch a win, but still think it's unlikely FNC < HLE: FNC could beat HLE, close game GEN.G < LNG: Close game IMO T1 > DFM: Stomp 100T < EDG: Stomp TL < MAD: Stomp, especially because Mad has a vendetta against TL for Play-ins last year RGE < C9: Close game IMO
DK > FPX : This will be a close game, but imo FPX makes mistakes that DK can capitalize on. ShowMaker vs Doinb will be a real treat RNG > PSG: This will be a roll over imo, because RNG will be better prepared FNC > HLE: Idk man, I think HLE is just that bad. You are only as strong as your weakest link, and Morgan/Willer are just bad GenG < LNG: I have no faith in GenG, they should win on paper but... T1 > DFM: Lol EDG > 100T: Lol TL < MAD: MAD is only real EU chance this year because of this sudden FNC change, so I have to believe RGE > C9: I think both teams are close, am expecting them to go 1-1 and bottom out the group.
I'd already realized I overdosed on hopium when I bet on FNC to make 2nd, but it's something else to be proven wrong before even their first game.
As for the first game, I can only pray it's a 'chinese teams in groups' vs 'korean teams in groups' thing, else DK is just going to steamroll this worlds too.
I liked Bwipo's early invade, but it doesn't do much if your ADC falls behind from min 2. Hyli inting it because he was so desperate to make plays, just a really sad game.
EU has played one game so far but I feel like none of them is going to make it out of groups. Today has seen so many stomps, every region except KR took a nasty beating.
On October 12 2021 01:33 DarkCore wrote: EU has played one game so far but I feel like none of them is going to make it out of groups. Today has seen so many stomps, every region except KR took a nasty beating.
On October 12 2021 01:33 DarkCore wrote: EU has played one game so far but I feel like none of them is going to make it out of groups. Today has seen so many stomps, every region except KR took a nasty beating.
MAD played like trash.
In Rogue we trust.
After putting them down for weeks, putting my trust in RGE seems to be almost insulting.
seeing tl vs mad lions im 100% sure now its going to be all lpl/lck out of groups. na/eu are just way behind. id say the likelihood of an all lck semis is not even that small as well actually
Slow methodical game, sadly EDG is just cleaner than T1, and had a slight draft advantage. You could really feel the pressure to not make mistakes while forcing errors from the opponent.
RGE < DK: But I would appreciate an upset PSG < HLE: An upset would really help FNC FNC < RNG: Could really do with an Upset FPX > C9: If C9 last longer than 25 min it's a mental win 100T > DFM: Idk enough about either team tbh MAD > GenG: I am totally not biased TL < LNG: LNG will be thirsting for a win, TL is just the first sacrifice
Yeah that was rough, it looked like Inspired was going for the miracle steal but did it in the most obvious place possible (directly behind the pit) so Damwon read it like a book and ended the game. Still a pretty sick game to watch.
I do wonder what would have happened if rogue took ocean drake instead of baron after winning the team fight, because they definitely could have.
I understand going for risky plays while the game is even if your Olaf is behind and your Pyke isn't getting any picks, cause otherwise they fall off a cliff, but what was that? Nisqy was on a completely different page to everyone else, they just let Gala chill bot for half the game after putting him behind, and Hyli was stuck in a miss Q-die-repeat loop.
More people through the official broadcast (not the casters, whatever fan voting thing they do) voted for C9 to beat FPX than voted for TL to beat MAD. What mental gymnastics exist in this world to make that a reasonable position
On October 13 2021 01:23 DarkCore wrote: How did C9 not win that game.
Brother Perkz vs China is how.
Chad Nuguri does not give a FUCK. Man is really out here trying to just vibe. Somebody gotta wake super carry DoinB up man who the fuck is playing in his skin? Crown
Azael out here not mincing words. Huge props for actually saying the truth
Also separate from what he said but,1000% if Perkz recalls when the FPX inhib has 20% health and a minion wave attacking it, they win the fight then he TPs back to the wave that should still be there and ends the game
This game went from a nailbiter to kinda fizzling out, GenG pleaded no contest one too many times in a row. The worst one was not engaging on the flashless Lucian when he walked by the death brush they set up around 40min, yeah the rest of the fight wasn't gonna be easy but they never got a better percentage opportunity after that.
I really don't like how Chovy has been playing these games, yes he is excellent in lane but I feel like the rest of his play still needs work. He mostly just sits in a side lane and farms and occasionally gets picked off. Maybe I'm being too critical and its just his teammates that are too heavy but idk
HLE does not seem to have a proper shot caller, or not a good one. So I think it's understandable that he just farms up, he's like Caps and wants to focus on making plays not the big macro plan. That will never happen with Willer Morgan though.
On October 13 2021 17:25 DarkCore wrote: HLE does not seem to have a proper shot caller, or not a good one. So I think it's understandable that he just farms up, he's like Caps and wants to focus on making plays not the big macro plan. That will never happen with Willer Morgan though.
But does he even really make plays? I agree his topside is very subpar but idk, in my opinion I think Showmaker is a much better all around player
Chovy makes plays when they are presented to him. Don't get me wrong, he's no ShowMaker, but if the enemy team makes positioning errors or he sees a chance to get a solo kill in lane, he will go for it. It's just his team doesn't create those chances, so he just farms. Not a very proactive playstyle, and it's almost insulting that HLE managed to make it to Worlds with it (4th seed though).
MAD had some good macro early, getting turrets while denying them from LNG, but they got straight up outplayed during fights. Especially because LNG knew MAD likes forcing fights, so they went and bough a bunch of stopwatches after baron and got a free win.
This really looks like the worst EU performance at Worlds in years. MAD is so rough around the edges, and the other 2 teams look doomed.
I'm actually glad that the broadcasting hours are bad for European viewers. When I come home after work, I can fast forward instead of suffering in real time.
I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM. I will not get excited by DFM.
I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
So FNC and RGE are pretty much out of the tournament, unless RGE magically goes 3-0 or FNC gets a magical tie breaker. MAD still has a chance, they also need to basically go 3-0 or hope that TL pulls off an upset. It's a similar situation for NA, C9 and 100T are pretty done unless they get super lucky, TL is in the same spot as MAD.
What a depressing tournament for the West lol, hope next year is better. It's not even the scoreline, the quality of the team's is just so bad this time. We need G2 back.
On October 14 2021 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
On October 14 2021 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
Being in Japan sure helps with that. lol
Unless I'm mistaken neither Aria, Gaeng or Steal are Japanese nor have any played competitively in Korea. Which was his point. There's an enormous difference between NA importing Alphari, Huni, Ssumday, CoreJJ, etc and LJL teams finding literal who's on the Korean ladder and signing them. One is the right way to scout talent and foster growth and success and the other is not
On October 14 2021 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
Being in Japan sure helps with that. lol
Unless I'm mistaken neither Aria, Gaeng or Steal are Japanese nor have any played competitively in Korea. Which was his point. There's an enormous difference between NA importing Alphari, Huni, Ssumday, CoreJJ, etc and LJL teams finding literal who's on the Korean ladder and signing them. One is the right way to scout talent and foster growth and success and the other is not
And the org having regular access to Korean soloq is impactful in the ability to do so. Japanese orgs have the benefit of scouting their native players and potential imports in the same ecosystem while NA orgs don't.
Granted, I don't know the who's who of the English speaking world in League, but what talent scouts are there that can speak fluently with an org that has the finger on the pulse of Korean soloq outside of somebody like LS(as questionable as he can be)?
On October 14 2021 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
Being in Japan sure helps with that. lol
Unless I'm mistaken neither Aria, Gaeng or Steal are Japanese nor have any played competitively in Korea. Which was his point. There's an enormous difference between NA importing Alphari, Huni, Ssumday, CoreJJ, etc and LJL teams finding literal who's on the Korean ladder and signing them. One is the right way to scout talent and foster growth and success and the other is not
And the org having regular access to Korean soloq is impactful in the ability to do so. Japanese orgs have the benefit of scouting their native players and potential imports in the same ecosystem while NA orgs don't.
Granted, I don't know the who's who of the English speaking world in League, but what talent scouts are there that can speak fluently with an org that has the finger on the pulse of Korean soloq outside of somebody like LS(as questionable as he can be)?
If you don't have someone with access you hire someone. They're multimillion dollar organizations, hire a team whos literal job it is to watch solo Q/academy/amateur leagues/EUM year round. You could skip the entire 'fresh' (from soloQ) scouting process and just exclusively go to the academy and amateur leagues and find already scouted talents and watch them yourself as an org. Hell the super easy way is you just watch LDL from this year and take any player in the league, 99% chance they got axed from their org because of Chinese law.
On October 14 2021 02:39 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm glad Phreak actually pointed out the imports in DFM. There's a huge difference between NA importing known quantities, and DFM scouting players that have potential, even if both are counted the same
Being in Japan sure helps with that. lol
Unless I'm mistaken neither Aria, Gaeng or Steal are Japanese nor have any played competitively in Korea. Which was his point. There's an enormous difference between NA importing Alphari, Huni, Ssumday, CoreJJ, etc and LJL teams finding literal who's on the Korean ladder and signing them. One is the right way to scout talent and foster growth and success and the other is not
And the org having regular access to Korean soloq is impactful in the ability to do so. Japanese orgs have the benefit of scouting their native players and potential imports in the same ecosystem while NA orgs don't.
Granted, I don't know the who's who of the English speaking world in League, but what talent scouts are there that can speak fluently with an org that has the finger on the pulse of Korean soloq outside of somebody like LS(as questionable as he can be)?
There used to be an organisation whose entire role was to pick up SoloQ talent, put them in a team house and liaise their meetings with Western organisations. No idea if that org still exists but I'm told the conditions were uhhhh not very good.
Wtf, DK destroyed FPX. Nuguri didn't even get to play the game, granted he intend a bit but DK made sure he stayed a minion. DK won draft and won mental.
On October 15 2021 20:45 DarkCore wrote: Wtf, DK destroyed FPX. Nuguri didn't even get to play the game, granted he intend a bit but DK made sure he stayed a minion. DK won draft and won mental.
On the one hand, I'm glad to finally see C9 show up. On the other, they stand 0 chance of making it through without Rogue beating both FPX and C9 beating FPX and/or Damwon, so them winning now effectively eliminates both Rogue and C9 in one go
It's hard to quantify FPX, because DK is looking like best team in the world again, meanwhile RGE and C9 are 3rd seeds from EU/NA. So how good is FPX reallly? FPX and RGE look mentally tilted asf today.
Imo this C9 win was better quality than the first match RGE won. Hoping this group can at least eek out one closish game, maybe FPX vs C9?
Rooting for C9 to make it out of groups. If FPX fail to make it out of this group, they can grab the Dade award and the prestigious LGD award at the same time!
On October 16 2021 02:08 Dan HH wrote: If we went through all this only for FPX to finish 2nd anyway I swear to god..
On October 16 2021 02:02 M2 wrote: but why does C9 have the advantage of playing only 1 tie break
Cause their wins were faster iirc
I'm fine with it, it gets really awkward if it's round robin and they go 1-1 another round
That ignores that there's multiple ways to win a game. Is Damwon's win using a hard scaling Kassadin comp worse than C9's wins?
Yeah it's not a good metric but if you're deadset on removing the possibility of another tie by giving one team a bye it's not like there's anything good to base that on. At least they don't have to do literal coin flips like in football
On October 16 2021 02:08 Dan HH wrote: If we went through all this only for FPX to finish 2nd anyway I swear to god..
On October 16 2021 02:02 M2 wrote: but why does C9 have the advantage of playing only 1 tie break
Cause their wins were faster iirc
I'm fine with it, it gets really awkward if it's round robin and they go 1-1 another round
That ignores that there's multiple ways to win a game. Is Damwon's win using a hard scaling Kassadin comp worse than C9's wins?
Yeah it's not a good metric but if you're deadset on removing the possibility of another tie by giving one team a bye it's not like there's anything good to base that on. At least they don't have to do literal coin flips like in football
You could do always do it like LEC/LCS tiebreakers and favor the more recent wins, or wins against the people who are already out of the group (which is impossible in this specific situation).
Or switch to GSL groups and leave this trash in the past
Also I want to say now that if either Rogue or C9 get Group D's 1st place in quarters they could legitimately make a semis run. EDG/RNG will slaughter them
On October 16 2021 02:08 Dan HH wrote: If we went through all this only for FPX to finish 2nd anyway I swear to god..
On October 16 2021 02:02 M2 wrote: but why does C9 have the advantage of playing only 1 tie break
Cause their wins were faster iirc
I'm fine with it, it gets really awkward if it's round robin and they go 1-1 another round
That ignores that there's multiple ways to win a game. Is Damwon's win using a hard scaling Kassadin comp worse than C9's wins?
Yeah it's not a good metric but if you're deadset on removing the possibility of another tie by giving one team a bye it's not like there's anything good to base that on. At least they don't have to do literal coin flips like in football
You could do always do it like LEC/LCS tiebreakers and favor the more recent wins, or wins against the people who are already out of the group (which is impossible in this specific situation).
Or switch to GSL groups and leave this trash in the past
FPX is last in the group. I don't even believe it
I mean yes GSL groups are the obvious format change but its Riot so that will never happen, yeah looks like Doinb wins the 2021 Dade award lol
On October 16 2021 02:08 Dan HH wrote: If we went through all this only for FPX to finish 2nd anyway I swear to god..
On October 16 2021 02:02 M2 wrote: but why does C9 have the advantage of playing only 1 tie break
Cause their wins were faster iirc
I'm fine with it, it gets really awkward if it's round robin and they go 1-1 another round
That ignores that there's multiple ways to win a game. Is Damwon's win using a hard scaling Kassadin comp worse than C9's wins?
Yeah it's not a good metric but if you're deadset on removing the possibility of another tie by giving one team a bye it's not like there's anything good to base that on. At least they don't have to do literal coin flips like in football
You could do always do it like LEC/LCS tiebreakers and favor the more recent wins, or wins against the people who are already out of the group (which is impossible in this specific situation).
Or switch to GSL groups and leave this trash in the past
FPX is last in the group. I don't even believe it
I mean yes GSL groups are the obvious format change but its Riot so that will never happen, yeah looks like Doinb wins the 2021 Dade award lol
I have a small amount of faith that next year they'll be forced to change the format because VCS will most likely be back. So they're going to need a hard rework on seeds given they haven't been in competition for two years.
Or they'll just slot them back in as if they have been playing and hard fuck over LCL, LCO, and LJL who have all achieved results as minor regions since VCS last played
On October 16 2021 02:08 Dan HH wrote: If we went through all this only for FPX to finish 2nd anyway I swear to god..
On October 16 2021 02:02 M2 wrote: but why does C9 have the advantage of playing only 1 tie break
Cause their wins were faster iirc
I'm fine with it, it gets really awkward if it's round robin and they go 1-1 another round
That ignores that there's multiple ways to win a game. Is Damwon's win using a hard scaling Kassadin comp worse than C9's wins?
Yeah it's not a good metric but if you're deadset on removing the possibility of another tie by giving one team a bye it's not like there's anything good to base that on. At least they don't have to do literal coin flips like in football
You could do always do it like LEC/LCS tiebreakers and favor the more recent wins, or wins against the people who are already out of the group (which is impossible in this specific situation).
Or switch to GSL groups and leave this trash in the past
FPX is last in the group. I don't even believe it
At least LGD came 3rd in their group, is this the dawn of a new award? The FPX award?
Would be so bitter if C9 didn't get through, considering they went 2-1 this round and basically created this entire mess.
So Rogue don't try to steal the baron but they go for the teamfight immediately after against the much better teamfight comp, huge yikes there. I don't know what they can do here, can't split push, can't team fight, just pray that Perkz ints again?
Rogue choked. Never felt confident enough to take the skill matchup and lost. I'm still convinced not taking flash is troll in competitive for a jungler. Even on Talon you should still take flash
They're also the second team in the history of worlds to go without a win week 1 only to make it out in week two after Fnatic no? Or was Fnatic 0-4 into making it?
On October 16 2021 04:12 Sent. wrote: If someone still has a chance to have perfect pick'ems I would like to see their reasoning behind placing C9 second and FPX last.
On October 16 2021 04:12 Sent. wrote: If someone still has a chance to have perfect pick'ems I would like to see their reasoning behind placing C9 second and FPX last.
There's even someone IN OUR LL GROUP (hint hint join the group) that got all 15 points because the new "the coin" mechanic picked this result at random
On October 16 2021 12:41 chipmonklord17 wrote: There must be some freakish mistake going on, the official pick'em site says 47.2% of players have at least 15 points, aka predicted the group perfectly.
There's even someone IN OUR LL GROUP (hint hint join the group) that got all 15 points because the new "the coin" mechanic picked this result at random
The coin has access to the script...what else does it reveal?!
On October 16 2021 21:37 Dan HH wrote: That was such an anticlimactic way to end the possibility of any shenanigans in Group B, 100T with the engage comp that never engaged.
Wdym, NA is tilting CN again lol. No tie breaker if EDG loses 2 games. Sad result after going 3-0 in the first round, this is looking like the saltiest Worlds for LPL ever.
On October 16 2021 21:37 Dan HH wrote: That was such an anticlimactic way to end the possibility of any shenanigans in Group B, 100T with the engage comp that never engaged.
Wdym, NA is tilting CN again lol. No tie breaker if EDG loses 2 games. Sad result after going 3-0 in the first round, this is looking like the saltiest Worlds for LPL ever.
This was fun and all but they gave the big boys too much respect until they were mathematically out. The T1 game was winnable if they pressed R, and that was the do or die one.
If DK gets both EDG and RNG on their side of the bracket it would be hilarious, they would become the true CN killers. Icing on the top if they beat T1 to a pulp in the finals.
Fuck yes Fnatic finally get that morale win, man this game was stressful. Big props to Adam dunking on the gigafed Gala two teamfights in a row after being sacrificed all game. Gotta admit they would have been toast without Crying's inting though.
Was about to meme about Adam's career developing so fast he's already an MVP for an LPL team, but he actually kept his cool in the game. Maybe the second place dream is still alive.
Thank god RNG won that match, now FNC has a decent chance of making it out. If they win all 3 games, then even if HLE beats RNG they will at least have a tiebreaker.
Nisqy is going to feel awful when the team gets eliminated because he flashed gold carded Deft with cleanse instead of keeping it for Chovy in that fight
On October 17 2021 23:58 chipmonklord17 wrote: Nisqy is going to feel awful when the team gets eliminated because he flashed gold carded Deft with cleanse instead of keeping it for Chovy in that fight
Yeah, that was the one moment FNC went from winning to insta losing the game. Bean played better every game, crazy performance for a rookie. Maybe someone will pick him up in LEC?
But would Phreak please shut up about how FNC has only failed to make it out of groups once in their Worlds history? He's repeated this story like 10 times this game...
On October 17 2021 23:58 chipmonklord17 wrote: Nisqy is going to feel awful when the team gets eliminated because he flashed gold carded Deft with cleanse instead of keeping it for Chovy in that fight
Yeah, that was the one moment FNC went from winning to insta losing the game. Bean played better every game, crazy performance for a rookie. Maybe someone will pick him up in LEC?
But would Phreak please shut up about how FNC has only failed to make it out of groups once in their Worlds history? He's repeated this story like 10 times this game...
It doesn't help that he has had an almost career ending tier worlds performance (not that I think it SHOULD end, it was just that bad). A lot of what ifs for this group
On October 18 2021 02:15 chipmonklord17 wrote: Wonder if Bwipo is going to stay a jungler or go back top after he leaves
I think Bwipo is stupid to go back to top. He's such a good jungler and it fits his playstyle way better.
I guess the only reason he would go back to top is the fact that he's got much less competition in that role.
But is that a result of his deep connection with Hyli? Everyone else on Fnatic are now staying, so its not like the Hyli/Bwipo duo will leave like was one of the options last year. What happens to his jungling if its still a jungle support meta and he not only doesn't have a support he practically shares a brain with, but he also doesn't have the best/second best support in EU
On October 18 2021 08:38 starkiller123 wrote: Adam got gapped so hard this worlds, not a surprise but nice to shut up all the Adam fanboys that sprang out of the woodwork
To be fair, he was up against 2 veterans in Xiaohu and Hanabi, they have more international games than Adam's whole LEC career. And I don't think Morgan gapped him on his own, it was a team effort by HLE plus FNC leaving him out to dry. He still has the soloQ/EU Masters mentality where you can run to an empty lane without a turret and farm without enemy team collapsing on you.
This was the game that showed the MAD Lions hypothetical best...and they still lost. Humanoid played well for about 20 mins then his monitor turned off.
On October 18 2021 20:55 AdsMoFro wrote: This was the game that showed the MAD Lions hypothetical best...and they still lost. Humanoid played well for about 20 mins then his monitor turned off.
Nah he had some awful plays first half of the game too. Or rather, he tried some aggressive plays and BDD just said 'not today'.
MAD can still force a tie breaker if they beat LNG, and LNG lose to GenG. But I'm pretty tired of this hopium, much easier if MAD gets kicked, and I can watch playoffs in peace.
On October 18 2021 20:55 AdsMoFro wrote: This was the game that showed the MAD Lions hypothetical best...and they still lost. Humanoid played well for about 20 mins then his monitor turned off.
Nah he had some awful plays first half of the game too. Or rather, he tried some aggressive plays and BDD just said 'not today'.
MAD can still force a tie breaker if they beat LNG, and LNG lose to GenG. But I'm pretty tired of this hopium, much easier if MAD gets kicked, and I can watch playoffs in peace.
3-3 QUADRUPLE TIEBREAKER DREAM IS STILL ALIVE! LETS GO!
On October 18 2021 20:55 AdsMoFro wrote: This was the game that showed the MAD Lions hypothetical best...and they still lost. Humanoid played well for about 20 mins then his monitor turned off.
Nah he had some awful plays first half of the game too. Or rather, he tried some aggressive plays and BDD just said 'not today'.
MAD can still force a tie breaker if they beat LNG, and LNG lose to GenG. But I'm pretty tired of this hopium, much easier if MAD gets kicked, and I can watch playoffs in peace.
3-3 QUADRUPLE TIEBREAKER DREAM IS STILL ALIVE! LETS GO!
Uh sure, I guess we can have that option as well? How did I not see this coming?
On October 18 2021 23:35 chipmonklord17 wrote: What kind of ridiculous tiebreaker rules does Riot have for four way ties anyway?
They rank them by fastest wins, 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd. So only need to win one Bo1 to make it to quarters, then the winners play eachother for who gets 1st seed.
E: did some quick maffs and and if MAD win the next game then the tiebreakers will also be MAD vs LNG and TL vs Gen.G. The only way it goes different is if MAD beat LNG in sub 18mins in the next game.
It takes talent in this meta to be 50 CS + kills up on an Ezreal as an MF and have so little impact. LNG is the perfect antithesis to HLE, 90% of the skill is jungle and top.
On October 19 2021 04:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: Why did they change the layout now? And why are we giving another Yummi to GenG
iirc this p&b layout was supposed to be used the whole tournament but it got bugged at some point, weird to bring it back before the last game of a day.
And I'm so tired of that cat, I guess they wanted to force them to choose between her and Lee and they value Lee more?
On October 19 2021 04:03 DarkCore wrote: Cringe game
I get this vibe from you that you don't like the MAD LADS
Don't get me wrong, this game was so entertaining. But LNG should've had it after those two botched dives. And I'm sad because LNG has brought Tarzan back to life with great rookies, they were my Sunning for this year.
I expect MAD to stomp now, because the narrative dictates it.
Decent attempt but Lee for Yuumi wasn't exactly the best trade deal in the history of drafts and Armut wasn't reading the room with those engages on Olaf
I think any team is pretty happy to get GenG as their quarter final opponent. Hanwha and C9 too.
Also does anyone know why the "esports" drops from watching on the official site are all emotes and some icons and not idk...the esports skins or the MSI/World (conqueror and whatever they call the other one) skins
I got like three esports capsules today but dunno what's inside. In general I feel like the drops are much more frequent than regular season drops, so can't complain.
On October 19 2021 05:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think any team is pretty happy to get GenG as their quarter final opponent. Hanwha and C9 too.
C9 should be happy too they're guaranteed not to get Damwon.
Uhh Carzzy you do know YOU'RE the only one not under contract next year right? Really really strange to say "we don't know if we're going to stay together as 5" when everyone else either extended their contracts or still are under contract
On October 19 2021 05:37 chipmonklord17 wrote: Uhh Carzzy you do know YOU'RE the only one not under contract next year right? Really really strange to say "we don't know if we're going to stay together as 5" when everyone else either extended their contracts or still are under contract
I mean...do contracts really matter when G2 comes a'knockin?
On October 19 2021 05:37 chipmonklord17 wrote: Uhh Carzzy you do know YOU'RE the only one not under contract next year right? Really really strange to say "we don't know if we're going to stay together as 5" when everyone else either extended their contracts or still are under contract
I mean...do contracts really matter when G2 comes a'knockin?
Yes. MAD literally accused them of poaching (which was almost 100% their bot lane) a month ago. I guess my point was its a weird thing to bring up when 4/5 of your team is already committed to playing together next year. Its not the team, its him. It just caught me off guard and is more than obvious that he's the one shopping around (or has already shopped around)
CN play each other, T1 vs HLE, these matchups are great. And to top it off, MAD have to play DK. GenG must be euphoric right now, they could've ended up on a bracket side with DK and T1.
C9 plays what is likely the easiest 1st seed they can, while GenG gets a shot at running deep into the tournament. DK and T1 meeting in semi's is the biggest killjoy though, I feel like having them meet in the finals is the most apt way of ending off the world championships. Having a LPL:LCK finals is the absolute bests for Riot though in terms of viewership since NA/EU are going to watch it anyways, while the reverse wouldn't be true.
I was hoping T1 would win, but I was not expecting HLE to flop this hard. Seems underwhelming and makes it seem like HLE defeated themselves more than T1 did with questionable gameplay and god awful drafts. I hope Chovy and Deft hold their head high, they improved so much in the group stage, just unfortunate that they did not show it here in the quarters
as much as i like deft i think this should be his last season. id be surprised if he kept on playing next season because hes just not at the level to compete for a title winning team now. that said, im looking forward to the next transfer window to see what happens with chovy. not sure what the contract situation on all the players are but there are a few top korean players that are likely to move and chovy might finally get another chance to play with a competent team. some players off the top of my head are probably nuguri, cuzz/ellim, teddy (sad face. still like him better than gumayusi). you could throw chovy in with these "rejects" and youve already got a team 10x better than hle
He's still an upper mid tier player in the LCK, as evidenced by the fact he has made World's multiple times. He should be treated more like a better Fly these days, he can win you games but he won't win you the important ones.
Chovy needs a chance to prove himself on a better team. Problem is GenG, T1, DK aren't looking for a mid, and NS likely want to develop Gori. So his only real option is to go to CN, unless some surprise KR superteam forms. Maybe he can be the new top laner for DK?
actually im thinking that its possible that chovy and maybe even deft stay on hle and they kick morgan willer and vsta. hle actually isnt a small organisation, they just havent had results youd expect from an organisation of their size. its not out of the question that the big players that become available move to hle to join chovy if he chooses to stay
This is truly a horrendous series from a gameplay stance (somewhat entertaining as a shitfest). Dogshit drafting. Flandre playing Graves like he';s first timing. Scout with 100CS advantage and doing nothing on late game Azir. Truly amazing.
Wtf, this Annie pick is actually working. This is some real secret strats, wouldn't be surprised if none of the EDG players have played against the champ in months.
On October 24 2021 00:25 DarkCore wrote: Wtf, this Annie pick is actually working. This is some real secret strats, wouldn't be surprised if none of the EDG players have played against the champ in months.
Nah, I think it's more of the Kennen working rather than the Annie. I swear this was hashed out in groups that first-pick Graves => Kennen counterpick, and Kennen just goes even in lane and destroys teamfights. Graves looks useless in comparison. Surprised it took RNG this long to bring that out.
the drafts are actually meaningless this series because everyone is playing like monkeys. the highlight for me is theshy basically calling out every single misplay in complete disbelief
On October 24 2021 00:25 DarkCore wrote: Wtf, this Annie pick is actually working. This is some real secret strats, wouldn't be surprised if none of the EDG players have played against the champ in months.
Nah, I think it's more of the Kennen working rather than the Annie. I swear this was hashed out in groups that first-pick Graves => Kennen counterpick, and Kennen just goes even in lane and destroys teamfights. Graves looks useless in comparison. Surprised it took RNG this long to bring that out.
This is honestly like how all Kennen games have felt regardless of lane opponent in this worlds.
On October 24 2021 00:25 DarkCore wrote: Wtf, this Annie pick is actually working. This is some real secret strats, wouldn't be surprised if none of the EDG players have played against the champ in months.
Nah, I think it's more of the Kennen working rather than the Annie. I swear this was hashed out in groups that first-pick Graves => Kennen counterpick, and Kennen just goes even in lane and destroys teamfights. Graves looks useless in comparison. Surprised it took RNG this long to bring that out.
This is honestly like how all Kennen games have felt regardless of lane opponent in this worlds.
It's the damage buffs he got this season, they've been slightly reverted but it was enough for pros to remember what he can do.
Yuumi is such a garbage champ, can't believe EDG banned Annie but RNG let them keep this cancer. Graves isn't OP by himself, it's when he has Yuumi to either heal him or divert attention to someone else who's enjoying a million heals that's problematic.
I was fast forwarding a lot because sc2's homestory cup was more interesting to me, but the lpl match had plenty of good moments. Definitely worth a watch if you have time and LoL is your favorite esport.
On October 24 2021 06:47 Sent. wrote: I was fast forwarding a lot because sc2's homestory cup was more interesting to me, but the lpl match had plenty of good moments. Definitely worth a watch if you have time and LoL is your favorite esport.
yeah I'm catching up with it now after watching Homestory cup and so far not a bad series, glad EDG advanced
t1 vs hle is only a bad series because hle got wrecked. if you want to appreciate good gameplay then t1 was a masterclass. edg vs rng is a bad series because the quality of the games was pathetic. every single team that dropped from worlds would be looking at that series and thinking "wow we actually lost to those monkeys". if you enjoy watching supposedly good teams play like dogshit then yeah its a good series
On October 24 2021 17:08 Uldridge wrote: I think it might've looked like that because that's how they play? Disrespectful.
At the end of the day, both teams advanced from their groups. Only T1 and DK had convincing results, the other 6 teams were all messy, so it shouldn't be surprising. It's not too far fetched to assume T1 vs DK will be the real finals, every other series will be messy or disappointing.
On October 24 2021 17:08 Uldridge wrote: I think it might've looked like that because that's how they play? Disrespectful.
ill admit that i dont follow lpl, but if thats the usual standard of lpl then every single person who hyped lpl to be favourites or contenders are on drugs. and theres nothing disrespectful about saying pathetic performances are pathetic.
Hey, no I didn't say you were disrespectful, I meant they played disrespectful. They don't care about cooldowns or range at all, just want to fight always and almost every matchup because of it is kind of a coinflip. They're basically skillchecking you the entire game long. 'Hey, if you react to this the wrong way, you lose the game'. But then the other team also does it and then they don't react correctly and you can have 2-4k gold swings in the blink of an eye, several times in a game.
Disclaimer: this is from the limited LPL I've seen.
What a skill gap, think I'll just have this series running in the background.
In general, I found RNG and EDG a lot cleaner in the LPL playoffs. They are the most controlled CN teams, but yesterday's series was a bit of a let down.
All MAD had to do was NOT go into the pit. Mountain soul in 20 seconds. Literally just let them take baron if you have to. Get soul for the rest of the game
On October 24 2021 22:44 Uldridge wrote: Humanoid has been playing like ass the entire tournament.
I think they're putting him on Orianna to be Elyoya's support and Lulu mid isn't viable. I mean they know he's playing poorly and the Orianna pick is supposed to be the most optimal solution.
On October 24 2021 22:49 Uldridge wrote: To be fair, the Khan flank was very impressive, they had no idea where he was I think (as he kept out of vision the entire time)
Yeah, true.
But not seeing Khan ánd seeing Showmaker at a position from which a flank was a real possibility, makes it so that elyoya took quite possibly the worst time to go in. Maybe he was fixated on baron health.
They should know, more or less. They had a blue trinket ward in the bush to the south, so with not seeing him there they could assume he has to be around the blue spawn.
On October 24 2021 22:48 Jek wrote: That baron fight was legit matchfixing levels sus played by MAD
I have a theory that if Jayce misses his poke on Azir before that fight instead of landing it, MAD win the game. That's what baited Elyoya into going caveman mode
On October 24 2021 22:49 Uldridge wrote: To be fair, the Khan flank was very impressive, they had no idea where he was I think (as he kept out of vision the entire time)
It was legit the only place he could be because they didn't see him on a ward. Of course he could have been AFK griefing somewhere else I suppose.
Not playing poke or sides when you have a Jayce 1½ item ahead of everyone and are against a Kennen is just straight up inting.
Damwon definitely looked like they played pretty loose this series, but the gap was waaaaay too wide. Canyon was a beast and just popped off every game, and Ghost / Beryl played really well too. MAD looked like a team that had no idea how to macro once they're done with side-lane T2s. Like... forcing that Baron in G2 was straight griefing. Showmaker didn't seem to have the best series though, getting caught quite a bit. Looking forward to the finals of SKT vs DK though.
I absolutely hate going for cloud soul if its a game as even as this. Giving Gen.G Cloud 2 is irrelevant, letting them have Elder in 5 minutes is game ending.
On October 25 2021 21:45 chipmonklord17 wrote: I absolutely hate going for cloud soul if its a game as even as this. Giving Gen.G Cloud 2 is irrelevant, letting them have Elder in 5 minutes is game ending.
If that was Gen.G on Cloud 3 we'd still be in game right now
Where the fuck did C9 think Clid went? They literally see him flanking, then Zven stays exposed anyways after the rest of the team verifies Clid is still behind them
Nah I was honestly rooting for Fnatic and Lions, even after that painful first week. Of course I didn't seriously expect Fnatic to advance after the whole Upset thing, or Lions to beat Damwon, but I was hoping to see good games from them.
Same, I was hoping for EU to at least put on an interesting show. With G2 missing and MAD still being rough around the edges, I didn't expect to have a good year, but all 3 teams were pretty mediocre. Solo laners especially were just awful.
- RGE: Group was a huge upset, and RGE had big chances to make it out. Hans played so extremely well. But Larssen looked like trash, Odo and Trymbi had too many int moments. - FNC: Unlucky Upset situation, but I was hoping for a week 2 comeback. Bean looked good (for a rookie...), but Adam and Nisqy had so many bad moments it physically hurt to watch. MAD: This was not an easy group, but I am pretty sure old G2 would've cruised through this competition, every opponent had visible flaws but MAD couldn't exploit them. Humanoid and Armut were major letdowns.
i dont know if its a good thing or a bad thing but the top tier lck teams win/lose quite easily once any sort of lead accumulates. one bad gank at bot and dwg snowball off that. you could credit the teams like t1 or dwg that have mastered macro to the point that they can snowball off a small lead with no mistakes, but its debatable whether thats good game design and imo makes for a kinda crap spectator sport. t1 vs hle was the same; people complained the series was crap when its actually just that the best teams are at a point now where they can play like computers and build off leads perfectly
yeah the snowball is big in modern league and all the comeback mechanics are mostly soloQ suitable. At the highest level the losing team doesnt have any tools to comeback except enemy making unforced mistakes.
I think one of my favorite parts of this T1 roster is that Innovation was known as being a robotic machine while his little brother is this full swag kid
this series is turning out to be a fucking banger. game 1 was a snowball but games 2 and 3 are really doing the lck hype justice. although the neutrals would prefer this to go to game 5 im hoping t1 closes it out now. pls t1 dont choke this
On October 30 2021 23:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: I've heard casters talk all worlds about Keria playing Ekko support and I can't help but wonder, what does support Ekko do? Seems turbo grief
keria solo queues ekko a fair bit and hes insane at using ekkos w. paraphrasing what keria said about it "ekko basically has a bigger and quicker leona ult on his w"
On October 30 2021 23:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: I've heard casters talk all worlds about Keria playing Ekko support and I can't help but wonder, what does support Ekko do? Seems turbo grief
keria solo queues ekko a fair bit and hes insane at using ekkos w. paraphrasing what keria said about it "ekko basically has a bigger and quicker leona ult on his w"
That's interesting. He's not wrong, I assume its some kind of tank build and you basically play like you're Leona all game?
On October 30 2021 23:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: I've heard casters talk all worlds about Keria playing Ekko support and I can't help but wonder, what does support Ekko do? Seems turbo grief
keria solo queues ekko a fair bit and hes insane at using ekkos w. paraphrasing what keria said about it "ekko basically has a bigger and quicker leona ult on his w"
That's interesting. He's not wrong, I assume its some kind of tank build and you basically play like you're Leona all game?
he pretty much just plays as normal ekko, except his focus is hitting w's rather than looking for damage. zhonyas and then whatever else he can get. sometimes its locket sometimes he goes ap
Game 5 was all about ShowMaker Canyon doing everything right. Khan didn't play very well, but T1 couldn't do anything without a bubble blocking a choke point or a Talon sitting in the fog of war.
Idk, DK basically baited out Kennen Azir ults every 2 minutes, T1 had very few chances to get a proper 5vs5 with everything up. I thought Kennen was broken for most of Worlds, guess it takes a team like DK to show everyone how to play around him.
If you ever see Khan and Faker playing in the same game, probably should just expect Faker to lose. Seriously, Khan = Faker losing no matter which team Khan is on lmao
Imo EDG outclasses GenG in individual talent, but the experience of the veterans closes the gap. Also, Viper giveth and taketh, dude is so clean except when he's not.
Exciting series, hopefully every game is this close.
On October 31 2021 21:50 DarkCore wrote: Imo EDG outclasses GenG in individual talent, but the experience of the veterans closes the gap. Also, Viper giveth and taketh, dude is so clean except when he's not.
Exciting series, hopefully every game is this close.
Really? It's pretty close across the board on individual talent...maybe if you drank the Scout koolaid but I'm unconvinced. Also, Gen.G have decided that they will ignore any meta and just play the game like its early summer split.
Yeah, it's not much but I think EDG has better players. If they ban the comfort picks from GenG they will have the advantage. Its crazy that they were allowed to get Renekton, Azir and Lee in a single draft.
GenG can win this series for sure, I guess I'm biased because I like EDG.
Thank god EDG saved us from the darkest timeline. I think the real story line for the finals is that one of Meiko and Khan will finally be a world champion after years of "should be"'s. Sadly I don't think EDG has it in them to push the scales three times.
Gen.G are imo the biggest benefactor of this trash format. They barely got into brackets because TL hard choked their tiebreaker, then got the easiest quarter final which was arguably two of the worst teams in quarters fighting for a spot in semis to make it here. They aren't the fourth best team here. Not a chance. Bdd is a monster though.
GenG is the semi-finalist of worlds 2021. At least in one sense they are the fourth best team this year. I'll happily reap any salty rewards from those facts. The weakest link of GenG is obviously the midlane; I have it on good authority that BDD was the weakest midlaner of the quarterfinals. Incredible how the rest of his team managed to compensate.
On November 01 2021 01:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: Thank god EDG saved us from the darkest timeline. I think the real story line for the finals is that one of Meiko and Khan will finally be a world champion after years of "should be"'s. Sadly I don't think EDG has it in them to push the scales three times.
Gen.G are imo the biggest benefactor of this trash format. They barely got into brackets because TL hard choked their tiebreaker, then got the easiest quarter final which was arguably two of the worst teams in quarters fighting for a spot in semis to make it here. They aren't the fourth best team here. Not a chance. Bdd is a monster though.
its crazy to think this was EDGs FIRST semifinal ever! And now their first Final. Hoping for close games.
On November 01 2021 05:03 Yorbon wrote: GenG is the semi-finalist of worlds 2021. At least in one sense they are the fourth best team this year. I'll happily reap any salty rewards from those facts. The weakest link of GenG is obviously the midlane; I have it on good authority that BDD was the weakest midlaner of the quarterfinals. Incredible how the rest of his team managed to compensate.
what? bdd was gen g's best player this entire worlds. literally carried them out of groups while the rest of the team were very average. dunno wth you were watching
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
I think that would be the case in a few finals. Royal Club vs SKT/SSW are the obvious contenders.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds.
Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds.
Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds.
The hardest thing for Showmaker is the team he's on. Are DAMWON gonna put up the money to keep a good roster together? It's very easy to get Kiin'd into a shitter team and waste an entire season. Or go to China to a "superteam" that blows the fuck up and doesn't even make worlds.
Also, ironically, T1 kinda hold the keys to the kingdom in terms of which LCK teams can challenge DK next year. Who's to say players like Teddy, Clozer, Zeus, Cuzz can't go and strengthen some of those mid-tier teams and if DK get a downgrade in top lane and lose a player or two..it gets dicey again.
Honestly GOAT title discussions in League are way too tied with World's titles. Compare to football in the undisputed top 4: Messi, Di Stefano, Puskas and Ronaldo have never dominated world cups.
Whenever I dont see Peekaboo, Genja and Diamondprox mentioned I just get sad and wonder if I've watched a completely different game.
Who is Peekaboo? Is that a typo? Genja just had funny off meta picks, he wasn't really anything special. Diamondprox defined the counter jungle meta and is pretty important to the game historically, it's sad because he still plays but nobody cares.
On November 01 2021 23:34 DarkCore wrote: Who is Peekaboo? Is that a typo? Genja just had funny off meta picks, he wasn't really anything special. Diamondprox defined the counter jungle meta and is pretty important to the game historically, it's sad because he still plays but nobody cares.
Genja isn't there for his offmeta picks, it's his teamfighting and adaptability.
Piccaboo reinvented support/botlane and was a mechanical and macro genius, his career got ruined by a serious wrist injury. If he wasnt forced to stop he would honestly have hands down been the greatest of all time (if you disregard fan bias and worlds record) - essentially League's R9.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds.
Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds.
yeah whether showmaker canyon remain to be a duo will have to be seen, but i do agree that its the duo of them that is bringing success. canyon vs bengi is a much harder debate about best jungler of all time than faker vs anyone, thats how good canyon is. if showmaker loses canyon hes not going to gap other teams like faker was doing even up to 2019. khan/clid/faker shat on nuguri/canyon/showmaker with showmaker even getting solo killed at mid. yeah faker didnt win worlds without bengi but my point is even then he still racked up quite a few trophies and showmaker will find it even more difficult if he also has to part ways with canyon. i mean, even if he stayed with canyon theyd still have to win 7 more lck titles together to overtake faker's count. for me trophies are one of the measures of success and showmaker has a long way to go, but the real reason why i dont think showmaker could be considered the goat is because faker was just literally seasons ahead of the entire professional playerbase for years. seasons kudos to showmaker if he does accumulate that much success and really does show such absolute dominance in game, but for me it only takes another roster like griffin to support chovy before we see a debate about whos the 2nd best mid between showmaker and chovy and the goat debate gets put to rest. keep in mind before griffin went to shit no one even looked at damwon, and they had their worlds roster minus ghost. 19 faker was much better than 21 faker and griffin was better than damwon, which is why it was a contest between skt and griffin the whole year.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
True, but its sounds kind of weird that a finalist possible win in a tournament will be the upset of the tournament :-)
My reasoning is that EDG has had a lot of close series and only came second in their group, meanwhile DK had some close games but have still only lost 2 games against T1, the top seed of EDG's group. Also ShowMaker and Canyon are in incredible form, Scout/Jiejie are looking great but I think they are still outclassed. Maybe Viper can break the game open, idk.
On November 01 2021 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Lck vs lpl is a mpre hype final than lck vs lck. So that is good.
hope edg wins. although im an lck fan id much rather the 2 koreans in edg win than damwon win 2 times in a row. the thought of showmaker fanboys saying showmaker will overtake faker as the goat just makes me cringe
I would love a second contender for GOAT, although ShowMaker needs a few more years. All of Faker's competitors have retired or been a letdown (like BDD, who is good but not enough).
EDG have a tough series in front of them, it would be the upset of the tournament if they win, based on what we've seen so far.
im not saying showmaker couldnt contest faker (i highly doubt he will), but 2 consecutive worlds wins doesnt cut it. heck, even if showmaker wins 3 worlds he would still have to win 10 total lck titles and be undeniably better than his midlane peers. for now showmaker doesnt come close in terms of achievements or his individual skill (chovy), yet there will be people who say showmaker will overtake faker as the goat because currently showmaker > faker. thats what makes me cringe. the fact is if faker was 5 years younger im confident that faker would still stomp showmaker now, not even having to take into account trophy counts. for all the hate faker gets now he actually did very well in lane against both chovy and showmaker this worlds.
Why don't you think ShowMaker can close in on Faker's records? Because everyone else hyped up has failed? ShowMaker has been consistently good for 3 years now, and does not have the problems other contenders had (small champion pool, meta dependent, soloQ carry mentality), and has shown no signs of declining. Faker's total dominance ended mid 2017, he has had good domestic results in the years since but no Worlds titles. Unless DK gets torn apart after Worlds, the core ShowMaker Canyon duo has the potential to keep winning domestically and place high at Worlds.
Showmaker (and Damwon) has only been good in the last year and a half (and by good I mean winning tourney's good, they were obviously a good team already), they made World's in 2019 sure but lost in quarters and didn't make it out of groups in 2020 in the MSC vs China. T1 won 3 in a row just before Damwon, in 2019 Spring and Summer, and in 2020 Spring. Aside from getting first in the split 3 times in a row, nothing Damwon did hasn't already been achieved by Faker and SKT multiple times before, heck Damwon isn't even the first team to win 2 Worlds titles (excluding SKT), that title belongs to Samsung Gen.G. Damwon's meteoric rise came in the summer of 2020, before that no one considered them the best to challenge SKT in Korea. That title belonged to Griffin, and we all know what happened there. Showmaker needs 6 more LCK titles, 2 more worlds, and 2 more MSI's to just be even with Faker's record, and even then he can't beat the fact that Faker is Faker.
I agree that DK has a long way to go, I just meant that ShowMaker has it in him to contend with Faker, so long as he doesn't get weak teams. Faker also had good teams around him whenever he won Worlds (Bengi, Huni, Bang), T1's endless talent pool and budget has ensured that. And Faker was miles ahead of his opponents in the first half of career, but the mid laners in LCK are so much better now (look at which mid veterans are left, it's just Fly and BDD, everyone else has basically retired). I don't think Faker will have the same kind of success he had in the past, and if League is around for another decade (this game is going to fizzle out just as slow as WoW), there's room for another contender. It's unlikely, but it can happen.
This T1 lineup is setup for big success next year though, DK needs to stick together and grab a good top laner if they want to win again.
EDG won both their quarter and semi final matches 3:2 too. They're like an anime protagonist that always takes a beating before defeating their opponents.
I think if they close it out the MVP is clearly JieJie. Dude held his own against the best jungler in the world, gave the team win conditions all of the time with the dragon control and smites.
Holy fuck Khan almost solo changed the game with the steal
EDG deserved it, but Damwon's performance was a disappointment. I thought they're going to 3:0 their way to the cup after the group stage.
On November 07 2021 01:55 chipmonklord17 wrote: I think if they close it out the MVP is clearly JieJie. Dude held his own against the best jungler in the world, gave the team win conditions all of the time with the dragon control and smites.
Holy fuck Khan almost solo changed the game with the steal
On November 06 2021 22:28 chipmonklord17 wrote: I want to watch Meiko become a world champion, but I just can't imagine Damwon losing the series
:D
I'm very very happy right now. Meiko was one of the best players to not be a world champion. Really excited for Scout and Flandre too. The whole team really. I do feel a little sad for Khan, because he's on that list too.
Wait can Viper speak Mandarin? I'm not paying super close attention to see if he's just not answered questions but I just realized there's no Korean translator there. I know Scout does.
LMAO looks like Brother EDG made sure T1 is the only team to win world's back-to-back. Gotta protect the GOAT legacy by winning themselves. Also, this is the second T1 semifinals that people thought the winner would come from, only for the LPL team to win. TSM really is LCK difference-maker.
wow cant believe dk actually lost. happy that scout and viper got their win and dk dont get consecutive wins but i was sure dk would beat edg. i didnt watch the series but did dk play worse than usual?
I felt like DK was desperate to make plays, forcing them to make suboptimal plays because EDG didn't give them the angles other teams seemed to do. It was very apparent in g1 and g5.
EPT
He said he was seriously considered (dunno if by the org or just by him) as the replacement of Nemesis. 
