EPTDAMWON wins the 2020 World Championship - Page 20
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
JDG seems kinda shaky to me, their drafting has been very spotty. But when draft goes well I think they can be dangerous. Seem like a bit of a coinflip team, similiar to G2 Caps vs Craps. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Worlds this year has had quite a few spotty drafts from supposed top teams, agreed. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
With River and Tanks play today, think its fair to say they belong to be here. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
I think if anything the do they belong or not argument comes more from the fact that they were allowed to use what is effectively an all star roster to make it into groups in the first place, not whether or not their actual roster performed in the group stage itself. I don't know what Riot could have done that wouldn't have fucked up the tournament format worse than Corona already has, but it still feels kind of fucked up that PSG could have done that in the first place. Could an all star roster of TCL players make it too? Would the best 5 players in the OPL have made it against LGD? I don't know, but I do feel weird about the fact that we got to see PCS do that | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I think they should ditch the playins entirely and just expand the size of group stage groups, and then reduce the number of groups that exist. You have always had 22 to 24 teams making worlds including playin's; just run three groups of 8 and run a single round robin. You're playing the same number of "play-in / group" games for every team, and then you have a more fair initial seeding of teams from rank 1 to rank 24 based on wins, then you just flat out cut all the teams ranked 17-24, and have a BO5 Round of 16 (could be BO3 if Riot doesn't want to add too many games) with Seed 1 vs Seed 16, Seed 2 vs Seed 15, etc. This would level the playing field in terms of groups of life / groups of death, provide a better comparative strength barometer for all regions, and eliminate things like 2017 Fnatic making it out of groups at 2-4 (vs Longzhu, Immortals & GIGABYTE Marines, LUL) while G2 is eliminated in groups despite going 4-2 (vs RNG, Samsung Galaxy, and Flashwolves?). In no world does that make sense; G2 clearly preformed better than Fnatic vs better competition, yet Fnatic make it out and G2 goes home? Then obviously Fnatic gets horrifically 3-0'd by RNG with an average game time of 21 minutes despite G2 going 1-1 with RNG and taking the winner of the entire tournament SSG to 35 minutes twice... It's absurd. The other big plus, imo is that almost every team gets a chance to play a BO5 or BO3. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9199 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On October 10 2020 00:58 Dan HH wrote: As someone that's only been watching worlds and the occasional MSI for the past several years without paying any attention to League inbetween those, I gotta ask, where did the clown fiestas go? It seems in every single match the first team to get a decent gold advantage just wins no contest. The game has become riduculously snowbally. Turret plates, big first blood gold combined with Rift Herald can lead to 2-5k gold in 10-15 minutes. This has incentivized more proactive playmaking early on, even if it is risky. And yeah, tbh this Worlds a lot of games have been decided in the first 5 minutes, or at least one team starts off with a strong lead. Jungle meta is strong farming champs who can clear so fast they have ample time to gank, apply lane pressure or counter jungle. If one jungler starts off poorly, they get counter jungled to death and become a non factor. Meanwhile Nidalee/Graves/Lillia are 2 levels up, 50 cs ahead by min 15, take every objective and also shove waves. The top teams are good enough to close a game when they get that lead. Even DWG, who crushed everyone in their group, lost a game because JDG won the early skirmishes (don't get me wrong, JDG is very good and DWG attempted to get back into the game, but games become very lopsided from just one or two fights). The clown fiestas still exist, watch NA games. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 10 2020 00:17 iCanada wrote: After reflecting a bit on it, honestly I think that the LoL worlds formatting kind of really sucks. Notably, it makes "getting out of groups" a huge feat despite getting out of groups being a horribly unfair metric. Some teams get out of groups going 2-4, some get out of groups going 3-3, and some fail to make it out of groups going 4-2; and thats ignoring the random group draws that make some groups insanely hard and some groups laughably easy. You also have teams that preform well and show promise being eliminated before you even see them play in games that aren't BO1's. I think they should ditch the playins entirely and just expand the size of group stage groups, and then reduce the number of groups that exist. You have always had 22 to 24 teams making worlds including playin's; just run three groups of 8 and run a single round robin. You're playing the same number of "play-in / group" games for every team, and then you have a more fair initial seeding of teams from rank 1 to rank 24 based on wins, then you just flat out cut all the teams ranked 17-24, and have a BO5 Round of 16 (could be BO3 if Riot doesn't want to add too many games) with Seed 1 vs Seed 16, Seed 2 vs Seed 15, etc. This would level the playing field in terms of groups of life / groups of death, provide a better comparative strength barometer for all regions, and eliminate things like 2017 Fnatic making it out of groups at 2-4 (vs Longzhu, Immortals & GIGABYTE Marines, LUL) while G2 is eliminated in groups despite going 4-2 (vs RNG, Samsung Galaxy, and Flashwolves?). In no world does that make sense; G2 clearly preformed better than Fnatic vs better competition, yet Fnatic make it out and G2 goes home? Then obviously Fnatic gets horrifically 3-0'd by RNG with an average game time of 21 minutes despite G2 going 1-1 with RNG and taking the winner of the entire tournament SSG to 35 minutes twice... It's absurd. The other big plus, imo is that almost every team gets a chance to play a BO5 or BO3. oh yeah worlds format has always been shit, like today we had what 3 games that actually meant something and we easily could have had less if PSG hadn't beaten JDG. I so wish instead of double round robin bo1 we had GSL style groups with every match being a bo3 or whatever, maybe even a bo5 for the deciding match. The seeding system is also partially to blame but without more international play I don't see any better way to really do pre-tournament seeding . Unfortunately I don't see any incentive for Riot to change it. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5105 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 10 2020 04:48 Uldridge wrote: I do really like this meta though. Long games were such a snoozefest. yeah at least the meta is very fun to watch | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
That third drake fight. EVERY single person except selfmade is on broken blade. Bjerg has flash, bio has flash. If either of them zone out selfmade, it's impossible for him to steal it. They're so fucking scared of making mistakes it's unreal. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
And then TSM engages on Fnatic just after they all bought stopwatch. Zzz... | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
But you know, this is also the team that has said frankly that they only wanted to win LCS... And they only wanted to win LCS in the summer because the spring split doesn't mean anything Atleast TL and FLY tried to play the game... How you pick an aggressive comp and proceed to play a passive reactive style is beyond me. If you're going to play that way you should be picking shit like Cass / Kass / Jax / Aphelios. Easiest group and worst performance. Bleh. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 10 2020 17:55 starkiller123 wrote: even as a certified TSM hater I almost feel bad for them...almost. If only their reddit fans weren't so irritating The logic of not liking a team because of their fans sounds fuking retarded to me. TSM fans being toxic has nothing to do with the team themselves. Hate the fans not the team please holy shit fuk outta here with this bullshit logic. Not even a TSM fan just had to say this | ||
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