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On January 18 2018 16:00 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote:
Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far. koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing. How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against. Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well.
yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
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Please BBQ, don't ruin another day of liquibets for me.
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On January 18 2018 18:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 16:00 DarkCore wrote:On January 18 2018 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote:
Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far. koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing. How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against. Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well. yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
When we talking about him it's more in context of tanks like Maokai and what Riot have done/said about them.
Even in this BBQ game you see how insanely long range Ornn's engage is while having a short cooldown and being safe. Sure he didn't win nor was he first pick worthy. That doesn't change that he's everything unhealthy with tanks that they claimed Maokai had to the point of reworking Maokai to make him less of an issue.
Kalista at worlds falls more in place of GP and Kass in prior seasons of just being a cut above everything else. You can't compare the level of contesting those picks to other ones, it's just in another league. Ornn falls more in line with Maokai of the past. A pick teams want but aren't going to rush to grab if other stuff is up, they'll just pick it when they can.
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On January 18 2018 18:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 16:00 DarkCore wrote:On January 18 2018 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 18 2018 06:45 Numy wrote:
Honestly he's worse than Maokai ever was to me. Maokai had all of his safeties but had to actually get in danger to engage. Ornn can engage from buttfuck away without ever being in danger. That's just so dumb.
Anyway he didn't win a lot or seem that popular in LCK so far. koreans dont value him as much because he forfeits so much control early game. i dont think its much of a surprise that the country that has the best macro game cares about how much lane/map control you get early and ornn gives you nothing. How can you say that when there have been only 4 series so far, and 3 of them had a game of Orrn. He's not blatantly OP and gets picked every game, but he is a viable pick, and balance is also about how fun/frustrating a champion is to play against. Also, Orrn saw a 92.5% PB rate in Kespa Cup, and won 3 out of the 4 games he was left open. Only Ezreal had even more questionable stats. Koreans like the champion as well. yeah hes good but hes not worlds kalista level where hes literally in every first pick/ban phase. korean teams dont value him enough for him to be in the first phase of pick ban in every game. u guys make it seem like hes completely broken. hes very good at what he does and balance/design wise maybe could have been made better, but he isnt without his own flaws
Tell me, which tank would you pick ahead of Ornn or even alongside him? Other tops are Gnar/Vlad/GP and some Camille. He crowds out his complete role. I think that is the definition of broken. I also think he will potentially slowly move to support role more frequently.
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KSV's logo bothers me so much. It's literally golden letters that a kid in kindergarten would make with the stencil that comes for free with his Buzz Lightyear pencil case.
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Prob spent all their time with Seoul Dynasty.
edit: Also just wanted to say Ignar played like a beast last game. Trick I'm still not sold on as being actually good anymore but dam Ignar boy, calm down.
edit2: Papa just confirmed KSV is indeed Filler name until next split now. Got the impression it was a last minute deal but didn't quite realize how last minute.
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When was the last time a tank was so broken that the whole game revolved around him. S3/4 Renekton? Just because he's not as bonkers-broken as Kalista does not mean he isn't an issue, that's setting the bar sky high.
The difference between Orrn and Kalista is that Orrn will still get through the PB phase. Once upon a time, Kalista/Kass were just straight up banned every single game, there was no thought process behind baiting picks or running a comp to counter the champs, they were just removed from the pick pool. Orrn does not have uber broken abilities, but when teams are looking for a high CC, solid laning tank, they will almost always pick Orrn unless they have a niche strategy (like running Zac-Orianna ball combo).
I forgot to vote for today, I'm such an idiot. Oh well...
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S5 Maokai? When they buffed the shit out of his ult for no reason?
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On January 18 2018 16:21 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 16:08 AdsMoFro wrote:
Hope Ignar and Trick do well today.
#RAISEYOURCOCKS Go KONGDOO!! only because MC is one of their coaches
wait u voted BBQ u trolled us i thought ur 100% winrate would end today 
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Umti just isn't an LCK level jungler.
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My initial complaint about Ornn is that he is boring to watch, which I don't think is debatable, and he is worse than other tanks like Maokai, Sion, or Trundle. He's just like a boring A-Sol for toplane where he essentially makes skill in that lane irrelevant.
Also, Roach is an early leader for the Longpanda award. That was just an atrocity on both Ryze and Ornn (how can you miss so many ults? its a freaking fast line skillshot).
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On January 19 2018 01:23 JimmiC wrote:
This may not be the right thread but apparently apdo got unbanned and is already top of the korean ladder.
I think Apdo said previously that he wouldn't go pro even if he could because he makes more money streaming/boosting and likes the lifestyle better.
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On January 19 2018 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
Im sure that is true. But i could also see some NA team with no following making a bonkers offer and opening up a new market for him. Side not he says he has completely given up the boosting. And with what he makes streaming i believe
Even then, popular streamers still make more than if they went into/back into pros.
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He said this many years ago. Could be his opinion changed over the years. Pro play has risen quite a lot over the years. Might be at the point where he's made enough money to try something new for a bit without hurting.
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I think unless you're hungry for competition, being a full time streamer (esp with Apdo's level of eastern popularity) is always going to be considerably more profitable than going pro.
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He was offered multiple times to go pro in China. There's probably two main reasons why he wouldn't go pro.
1. The hype would be enormous that if he missed even once CS it would be scrutinized (hyperbolic but you get my point). Why do that to your self when you can just chill and stream.
2. Apdo said that he thinks he can't go pro because he has to play on his setup exactly the way he wants. He bought like a dozen of the same mouse so that when/if it stops getting made he has enough to play forever.
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Oh yeah, the Apdo setup, I've heard of it too. Pretty funny stuff though.
I agree that the hype that Apdo would be subjected to would be unreal, would be pretty daunting. And if his pro attempt fails, I'd imagine that his streaming career would be severely hit as well, because people don't think he's evil Faker anymore. Still, wish he'd consider going pro, I mean he's already made a lot of money, getting paid a decent amount as a pro wouldn't hurt him.
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