EPTOn February 22 2016 06:58 Prog wrote:
Everyone delivers on Alistar. 100% pick/ban for a reason.
Everyone delivers on Alistar. 100% pick/ban for a reason.
Things is kiwi has delivered way before the 100% pick ban.
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
Things is kiwi has delivered way before the 100% pick ban. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:01 Fusilero wrote: If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not. Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:03 Hider wrote: Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not. Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick. That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series. Pretty naive suggestion from Thorin. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:03 Hider wrote: Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not. Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick. The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat. Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:04 Redox wrote: That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series. We are going to see their intended strategy during the game anyway. When they censor stuff during the docu I expect it is stuff that haven't been revealed yet. For instance the coach could say "we picked the Quinn and plan to rotate it so it isn't in lane vs Malphite and then it should roam around the map to get picks of.." (or something like that). This way we understand the intended win condition, but it's not exactly big secrets they are giving us. They do this type of stuff in traditional sports as well. Right now we just hear the expected win conditions from the commentators, but why not hear it from the coaches? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:06 Hider wrote: We are going to see their intended strategy during the game anyway. When they censor stuff during the docu I expect it is stuff that haven't been revealed yet. They do this type of stuff in traditional sports as well. Post match discussion is also censored. Really that is not even remotely an option because with honest p/b explanations they would have to give away other possible picks/strategies, comfort picks etc.. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:08 Redox wrote: Post match discussion is also censored. Really that is not even remotely an option because with honest p/b explanations they would have to give away other possible picks/strategies, comfort picks etc.. Yes if they fix stuff after the game, then they don't wanna give it away as the enemy team can see it going forward to the next game. Thorins suggestion is different as we get to see the strategy anyway, so it will already be revealed at that point in time. There is basically nothing to hide anymore. And if the coach believe something is a secret, then they can opt not to talk about it during the interview. But 95% of the stuff there won't be any potential secrets anyway. @ Secrets If you watch EU LCS you see the players being part of the analyst desk and they actually offer a lot of their thoughts on the current meta game and thoughts on other teams P/B. If anything, that's much more likely to give out "secrets" than explaining what the intended strategy was in a specific game. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:05 Fusilero wrote: The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat. Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage Except you can't split push with Quinn in this comp. Quinn needs to have a favorable lane opponent, and late game the team comp is absolutely dead (he deals no damage to armor-stacked Malph). So the only possible win condition is through a midgame pick comp. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:01 Ysellian wrote: Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner. IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:20 cLutZ wrote: IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims. The skill difference isn't as significant anymore; this means it's not worth to get a suboptimal teamcomp in order to give the "star player" a carry champion. Today real star players are flexible, consistent and works well with the team. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:20 cLutZ wrote: IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims. Yeah that makes sense then. I hope Bjergsen isn't having wrist issues too, but he is still mostly on carry champs I believe. On February 22 2016 07:25 Ansibled wrote: Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway. I don't play Lulu so I'm staying well away from any argument regarding this.  | ||
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:20 cLutZ wrote: IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims. It's not clear at all. There is nothing to suggest he wants his team to carry for him, but that was the meta they were in. Lulu is the carry of that comp, it just is carry by proxy. It's not like he can just sit back and chill and they win the game if he plays Lulu. Do you have any evidence to support that star midlaners have disproportionate more wrist issues, or any evidence that Faker has significant wrist issues? Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:15 Hider wrote: Except you can't split push with Quinn in this comp. Quinn needs to have a favorable lane opponent, and late game the team comp is absolutely dead (he deals no damage to armor-stacked Malph). So the only possible win condition is through a midgame pick comp. Idk, I was stretching for a justifcation. Lissandra really would have been the better pick here, prevents malphite from purely stacking armor and can shove him in if the two lane against eachother. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:25 Ansibled wrote: It's not clear at all. There is nothing to suggest he wants his team to carry for him, but that was the meta they were in. Lulu is the carry of that comp, it just is carry by proxy. It's not like he can just sit back and chill and they win the game if he plays Lulu. Do you have any evidence to support that star midlaners have disproportionate more wrist issues, or any evidence that Faker has significant wrist issues? Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway. Yeah why should Lulu be easier on your wrists? Makes no sense at all. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On February 22 2016 07:01 WilDMousE wrote: Things is kiwi has delivered way before the 100% pick ban. Honestly Kiwi is probably the most underrated player in the league. I think he has had a decent/slightly above average split, but yet I still see tons of people calling him out as if he was the Crumbz of supports. Dignitas's real problem has been Billyboss's TP's. While he has good teamfighting, they lose so many games as this hurts the team's overall macro strategy badly. | ||
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