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Does anyone know if Moon is still playing this week? That could shake things up in a big way if NRG found a sub for him.
Predictions for this week:
Saturday: -NRG > Dig: Dig is destined for relegation at this point, if NRG wants to right their spring campaign these games against bottom teams are hugely important. -IMT > REN: The best team in the league versus the worst. Not much else to say here. -C9 > TSM: Game of the week for sure, edge to C9 due to TSM being in a state of flux while C9 have finally found their footing. TSM could find a path to victory through Hauntzer keeping Balls down or Bjergsen rediscovering his mojo and bodying Jensen in lane. -CLG > TIP: CLG will be hungry for redemption after getting bopped by TSM last week, and TIP is TIP. -FOX > TL: Upset pick for the week, because Fox looked actually very solid last week and beat NRG, which I still rate higher than TL. Also, for FOX this is a must-win if they want a shot at the playoffs, so they'll come prepared.
Sunday: -CLG > REN: Should be easy money for CLG. -TSM > Dig: If Dig manages to win this, TSM is in huge trouble. Flux or no flux, though, TSM is still stacked with more talent than Dig has had since their Season 2 heyday. -C9 > NRG: C9 is looking better and better week by week, NRG is looking worse and worse. -FOX > TIP: TIP looks pretty woeful: outside of their boosted week 2: they've only beat Dignitas twice (and honestly, their week 2 was against C9 with Bunny and Renegades, so that still doesn't tell us much). FOX with Froggen is 3-1 with a loss to C9 with Hai. Despite the record, this should actually be a stomp. -IMT > TL: Maybe TL pulls a miracle here, but somehow I doubt it. At this point, with C9 out of the way, the only potential pitfall for Immortals is CLG or TSM playing out of their goddamn minds.
NRG has had poor coordination on their last 3 fights: 1st Konkwon ALISTAR chasing a bard, 2nd Impact no tele for drag which baits GBM to get caught, 3rd GBM chasing a fucking bard AND FLASHING while a major fight happening in front of inhibitor turret which could basically seal the game.
EDIT* - Of course as soon as I post NRG realize that their comp shits on DIG and just straight end.
On February 21 2016 06:44 AsnSensation wrote: why didnt crumbz ult lux back wtf? surely even a bad team like renegades has it timed that lux flash is down?
With these kind of map movements REN will never win anything, even with lucky first blood and snow balling lanes or whatever. The fundamentals are just not there.
On February 21 2016 06:50 Sent. wrote: Sometimes I think Renegades could be a good team if they had a better coach
Coach isn't supposed to make them land their ultimates and build the proper items.
Sure the items were awful but their map movement is so bad I question if they even play scrims. There were so many moments you see their players walking around not in any lane and not actively moving to do anything. You see Freeze run up the river while the rest of his team goes to defend top then lux solo pushes mid while he doesn't make it to top in time to defend but then doesn't defend middle either so accomplishes nothing. RF did the same thing constantly. Their players just don't see to have the basics of league down.
On February 21 2016 06:50 Sent. wrote: Sometimes I think Renegades could be a good team if they had a better coach
Coach isn't supposed to make them land their ultimates and build the proper items.
But if someone taught them how to control the map better maybe they wouldn't be 1-10
Do you really need coach for that. Even our plat stacks have the better idea of the wave management, so not like coaches are some miraculous cure for everything.
On February 21 2016 06:50 Sent. wrote: Sometimes I think Renegades could be a good team if they had a better coach
Coach isn't supposed to make them land their ultimates and build the proper items.
But if someone taught them how to control the map better maybe they wouldn't be 1-10
Do you really need coach for that. Even our plat stacks have the better idea of the wave management, so not like coaches are some miraculous cure for everything.
There was a moment where creeps were pushing into bot t3 and Freeze had just recalled, Freeze runs up to top t3 then finally turns around to clear the bot lane. They either don't talk about lanes at all or have no idea how lane management works. It's baffling.
On February 21 2016 06:50 Sent. wrote: Sometimes I think Renegades could be a good team if they had a better coach
Coach isn't supposed to make them land their ultimates and build the proper items.
But if someone taught them how to control the map better maybe they wouldn't be 1-10
Do you really need coach for that. Even our plat stacks have the better idea of the wave management, so not like coaches are some miraculous cure for everything.
Doublelift keeps leading then just hits stunned by TF and killed by the barrel. Don't know why they try force it so much instead of just backing off. Think it's just normal double playing immobile carry?
On February 19 2016 03:16 BrownBear wrote: Does anyone know if Moon is still playing this week? That could shake things up in a big way if NRG found a sub for him.
Predictions for this week:
-C9 > TSM: Game of the week for sure, edge to C9 due to TSM being in a state of flux while C9 have finally found their footing. TSM could find a path to victory through Hauntzer keeping Balls down or Bjergsen rediscovering his mojo and bodying Jensen in lane.
On February 21 2016 08:06 Redox wrote: Yeah I know gp is insane, but so was Balls this game. Great stuff, the better team won.
Is Balls coming back? Would love to see the old balls back. He played this game super well. Kept hauntzer pressured all game then played teamfights real well.
I see why people hate DL's positioning so much after this game. Only rush could really hard engage for C9 and in so many of those team fights, it seems all TSM had to do was kite back, especially if you gave Kog a FM.
On February 21 2016 08:11 lilwisper wrote: I see why people hate DL's positioning so much after this game. Only rush could really hard engage for C9 and in so many of those team fights, it seems all TSM had to do was kite back, especially if you gave Kog a FM.
every time i saw kog lategame he was either walking into a barrel or getting dove on by lee sin and gp
at first i was like "why the fuck won't gragas and braum peel for kog maw?"
then i was like "why the fuck does doublelift keep eating lee sin's qs in every fight"
On February 21 2016 08:11 lilwisper wrote: I see why people hate DL's positioning so much after this game. Only rush could really hard engage for C9 and in so many of those team fights, it seems all TSM had to do was kite back, especially if you gave Kog a FM.
His positioning would be fine if he didn't build something so completely stupid. Kog with Sterak/Maw/not selling Rageblade wins this game.
On February 21 2016 08:11 SharkStarcraft wrote: why would you possibly interview balls though boy's as interesting and insightful as a potato
wow
dont get me wrong, huge c9 fan and balls hardcarried this game, he's just not articulate at all, would have much rather heard hai or sneaky for example
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
On February 21 2016 08:11 lilwisper wrote: I see why people hate DL's positioning so much after this game. Only rush could really hard engage for C9 and in so many of those team fights, it seems all TSM had to do was kite back, especially if you gave Kog a FM.
His positioning would be fine if he didn't build something so completely stupid. Kog with Sterak/Maw/not selling Rageblade wins this game.
But isn't that even more the reason you don't try to go so ham because you don't have those items?
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
Feels like bjergsen's play was mostly fine this game, even great at times; liftlift seemed to be the weak link, but it's easy to blame him when he's playing an immobile champ against a comp designed to kill him
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
LB cant do much after everyone gets 6 items.Also champions like Soraka and Lee counters her very well.But yeah I agree, Bjerg this season isnt as dominant as usual.Maybe because of his wrist problems who knows.
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
recently yeah, but historically a lot of his best hard carry 1v9 games have been on lb
i distinctly remember many games where he just gets out of control on leblanc
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
Feels like bjergsen's play was mostly fine this game, even great at times; liftlift seemed to be the weak link, but it's easy to blame him when he's playing an immobile champ against a comp designed to kill him
Doublelift itemization was just poor, you can fault him for that. But honestly Balls really played exceptionally well and C9 played better as a team.
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
Feels like bjergsen's play was mostly fine this game, even great at times; liftlift seemed to be the weak link, but it's easy to blame him when he's playing an immobile champ against a comp designed to kill him
His play was reasonable this game indeed. He had two mistakes though: Dying at the 36th minute mark wasn't unnecasary and dying to the Rush gank.
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
recently yeah, but historically a lot of his best hard carry 1v9 games have been on lb
i distinctly remember many games where he just gets out of control on leblanc
his performance is just bad for some reason.
To be fair, the mid laner competition in the LCS has gone up significantly this split.
On February 21 2016 08:30 SharkStarcraft wrote: Nocturne? That seems like an unusual pick no? I don't watch EU but it seems like a really rare pick in NA considering what's still open.
Probably hoping for the surprise factor, regardless of how little it is. Or it's a comfort pick, not like TiP have particularly higher chance of winning with meta picks unless it's Kog.
On February 21 2016 08:30 SharkStarcraft wrote: Nocturne? That seems like an unusual pick no? I don't watch EU but it seems like a really rare pick in NA considering what's still open.
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
recently yeah, but historically a lot of his best hard carry 1v9 games have been on lb
i distinctly remember many games where he just gets out of control on leblanc
his performance is just bad for some reason.
To be fair, the mid laner competition in the LCS has gone up significantly this split.
i mean sure that could explain games where he does meh vs decent mids
but he has also looked very mediocre vs even shit midlaners.
competition may have gotten better but he has also been performing worse
alright loco i wonder what surprise you have for us today. surely not the quinn top
On February 21 2016 09:18 lilwisper wrote: Kayle ban? That seems so weird.
No idea what is up with that. And Froggen is stil a great Corki player.
Kfo is a Vladimir/Kayle s5 player and spammed the Kayle for the entire week. She's pretty meta in soloqueue as well with fervors buffs, so there it is.
On February 21 2016 10:26 lilwisper wrote: I really wasn't feeling Ez this whole match. It just didn't feel like it was going to do much.
Similar damage to Keith throughout the entire game. Fenix was the real problem. Did less than 50% the damage ot Froggen, and not sure he got any huge stuns either.
On February 21 2016 10:24 lefty wrote: Froggen killing the syndra as he died was so clutch.
This. Under rated play of the game. Froggen gets knocked into the enemy team? Sure, I'll just burst the Syndra to even the fight.
Also, Keith beating Liquid makes me smile. I like Liquid, but I like Keith even more.
Fenix killed himself. He tanked tower at 50% health, then fell to like less than 20% overall health. Any one shot would have killed him from anyone. fenix #1 dead weight.
I don't know how TL can't be frustrated at Fenix's performance these past few weeks. It's so hard to watch him do nothing for his team
that end of game summarizes so many things wrong with TL
fenix randomly tanking tower when he has a poppy gragas alistar on the team
frontline starting a fight when their syndra is less than 20% hp and piglet with less than 15% mana
too preoccupied with sending a corki into the backline to 1 for 1 their syndra while they let the braum naut lucian 3v1 the last remaining carry (piglet)
all while they had both lanes with >20 minion waves and enemy jg dead
On February 21 2016 10:24 lefty wrote: Froggen killing the syndra as he died was so clutch.
This. Under rated play of the game. Froggen gets knocked into the enemy team? Sure, I'll just burst the Syndra to even the fight.
Also, Keith beating Liquid makes me smile. I like Liquid, but I like Keith even more.
Fenix killed himself. He tanked tower at 50% health, then fell to like less than 20% overall health. Any one shot would have killed him from anyone. fenix #1 dead weight.
I don't know how TL can't be frustrated at Fenix's performance these past few weeks. It's so hard to watch him do nothing for his team
Not the mention that Fenix had the most farm on TL. He took all the farm and did absolutely nothing.
On February 21 2016 10:26 lilwisper wrote: I really wasn't feeling Ez this whole match. It just didn't feel like it was going to do much.
Similar damage to Keith throughout the entire game. Fenix was the real problem. Did less than 50% the damage ot Froggen, and not sure he got any huge stuns either.
True.Not only that but letting Froggen have Corki when you know he's hot on him seems silly. I am still looking at that Kayle ban. I know it was targetting KFO, but it just doesn't seem right.
On February 21 2016 10:26 lilwisper wrote: I really wasn't feeling Ez this whole match. It just didn't feel like it was going to do much.
Similar damage to Keith throughout the entire game. Fenix was the real problem. Did less than 50% the damage ot Froggen, and not sure he got any huge stuns either.
True.Not only that but letting Froggen have Corki when you know he's hot on him seems silly. I am still looking at that Kayle ban. I know it was targetting KFO, but it just doesn't seem right.
Throughout the season I would argue that TL and C9 has had the worst pick/ban phases. They just do picks that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I just read that Matt is 0-4 with Alistar. im surprised that Locodoco not going for comfort champions, where he can give Lux to Fenix and Bard to Matt.
On February 21 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote: Kfo is a Kayle player who has been, to good success, playing Kayle lately on a patch where Kayle is strong. The ban is fine.
I know it's fine. It just seems like letting the ace get his hot champ feels wrong thats all.
That's another thing that got me too. Matt plays Ali a lot and does nothing with it.
On February 21 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote: Kfo is a Kayle player who has been, to good success, playing Kayle lately on a patch where Kayle is strong. The ban is fine.
I know it's fine. It just seems like letting the ace get his hot champ feels wrong thats all.
That's another thing that got me too. Matt plays Ali a lot and does nothing with it.
Not like Froggen can't play a dozen of other champs. Banning LeBlanc and not picking a Corgi though on a blue side looked pretty suspicious.
So after tomorrow it's likely to become 5-7 for both with 1-1 in the tiebreaker. Assuming that both lose to Immortals/Cloud 9 and beat Dignitas/TIP, that's 6-9 for Echo Froggens and 7-10 for TL.
While TSM/CLG are pretty beatable opponents, the key might be that Echo Froggens have a Renegades game left in the last week, while Liquid needs to face an NRG. So honestly, looking at that, we can legitimately see a team with 7-11 record entering the playoffs and 8 wins probably guarantee you the playoffs at this point.
Okay then. But yea, Foxes gotta beat at least one of TSM/CLG probably to take the spot or pray for C9 to play a Bunny against them. Still an uphill battle, but definitely doable.
If only Ember Foxes hadn't thrown a 10k lead against Liquid though, but alas.
On February 21 2016 15:06 739 wrote: I knew that hiring Locodoco as a coach won't be anything good, lol.
Also why in the earth would you put Fenix on a goddamn Syndra? T_t
From what I saw on TSM, Loco always tries to draft meta champions regardless of whether or not his players can actually play those champions at an LCS/competitive level. IMHO, he sees in Korea what is the ideal compositon/champions and he heavily tries to get players to play those ideal champions. This unfortunately doesn't work for all players, and sometimes it might be better to draft towards the players' strengths.
So after tomorrow it's likely to become 5-7 for both with 1-1 in the tiebreaker. Assuming that both lose to Immortals/Cloud 9 and beat Dignitas/TIP, that's 6-9 for Echo Froggens and 7-10 for TL.
While TSM/CLG are pretty beatable opponents, the key might be that Echo Froggens have a Renegades game left in the last week, while Liquid needs to face an NRG. So honestly, looking at that, we can legitimately see a team with 7-11 record entering the playoffs and 8 wins probably guarantee you the playoffs at this point.
Okay then. But yea, Foxes gotta beat at least one of TSM/CLG probably to take the spot or pray for C9 to play a Bunny against them. Still an uphill battle, but definitely doable.
If only Ember Foxes hadn't thrown a 10k lead against Liquid though, but alas.
EF/Liquid will both make playoffs. NRG will fail. #hearditherefirst
On February 21 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote: Kfo is a Kayle player who has been, to good success, playing Kayle lately on a patch where Kayle is strong. The ban is fine.
I know it's fine. It just seems like letting the ace get his hot champ feels wrong thats all.
That's another thing that got me too. Matt plays Ali a lot and does nothing with it.
Just unlucky. Matt looks fine on alistar. Maybe not as good as his bard but alistar is so broken it makes up for it. The problem is more how his team uses it.
On February 21 2016 10:50 Ansibled wrote: Kfo is a Kayle player who has been, to good success, playing Kayle lately on a patch where Kayle is strong. The ban is fine.
I know it's fine. It just seems like letting the ace get his hot champ feels wrong thats all.
That's another thing that got me too. Matt plays Ali a lot and does nothing with it.
Just unlucky. Matt looks fine on alistar. Maybe not as good as his bard but alistar is so broken it makes up for it. The problem is more how his team uses it.
he looks a lot less confident whenever he plays the champion i've seen so many times where he hesitates back and forth unable to decide what action to take
there were like 2 fights today where he just got pounded 100-0 without using a single spell because he couldnt decide whether he'd try to run away or engage
On February 21 2016 08:11 dsyxelic wrote: lets not build a steraks when you die like 3 times in a row purely from gp
and bjergsen makes me sad. hes had a bad season.
I always get disappointed by Bjergsens LB. Just don't feel like he does enough on the champ compared to other mids playing LB. He seems to go in at weird times and use his CDs on weird targets.
Feels like bjergsen's play was mostly fine this game, even great at times; liftlift seemed to be the weak link, but it's easy to blame him when he's playing an immobile champ against a comp designed to kill him
The comp was not designed to kill him which was why it was so bad that he died like that. He had almost no threats to watch out for and walking into barrels and soraka Es and building like that is just not excusable.
While rewatching C9 vs TSM, I have to question TSM's decision not go baron around 35-36 minute mark. If C9 tries to attack you, you just disengage as C9 barely has any engage and you have Poppy/Gragas. Meanwhile top minions will kill nexus towers (as inhib is open). And if they don't, you get a free baron and game should 99% be over.
I assume this was a Yellowstar shotcall as Bjergsens shotcalls (from the brief mic check) have been more engagementbased/quick reactions-stuff whereas YS is responsible for the very overall macro play.
On February 21 2016 21:16 TitusVI wrote: still thinking TL should have kept keith in season 5. rofl
Well I do think Piglet is better than Keith, but he is not worth an import slot. Get European midlaner, and then a korean toplaner or jungler along with NA ADC and support.
On February 21 2016 21:16 TitusVI wrote: still thinking TL should have kept keith in season 5. rofl
??? Piglet is way better than Keith, why are we still arguing about it, lol. It's Fenix that's just average or below average NA mid lane.
There is no debate that piglet is the better adc. The thing is that team synergy wise and in all other aspects beyond mechanics keith outscales piglet by a lot. I know probably no one agrees with this and I am okay with it.
On February 21 2016 21:16 TitusVI wrote: still thinking TL should have kept keith in season 5. rofl
Let's be honest, no one deserves having to play with Fenix.
Also, the argument against piglet isn't necessarily one of raw skill. A lot of it has to do with the use of an import slot. Foreign top lane slot is worth a lot more in NA than a Foreign ADC slot.
REN definitely looking better this week then last few weeks. Yesterday their fighting wasn't bad but just overall lane control was super bad. If they can learn that then maybe they can be a middle of the pack team.
On February 22 2016 05:57 MuddyJam wrote: whats the worst a team has done in a split?
i believe cst 1-17 is the worst an NA team has done, even team mrn and complexity won 10 games
ok i just checked:
all time worst is 2015 Spring Team Coast at 1-17 second worst is 2015 Summer TDK at 3-15 3rd is 2015 Summer Copenhagen Wolves with 4 wins
i didn't count asian leagues because iirc Dream Or Reality failed to win a single game one time in lms. renegades can only tie the lcs record at this point
On February 22 2016 06:10 Miefer wrote: i dont see any cs team with exception of maybe apex to challenge lcs teams. in a double elimination i can see renegades pull through.
apex could probably beat renegades without much problem like i don't see a lane where they don't have the individually more skilled player at this point except maybe mid because keane is overrated by a lot of people still, but so is 2016 alex ich. cris has dumpstered RF legendary before, and it's cris, and if you're getting dumpstered top lane by cris it's usually a sign you need to make serious changes in your play and rf defintely has not
TDK should be able to, but it's become readily apparent that the team has gone full clownshoes and only shows up when they feel like it, idk when ninja is coming back, so idk, they would at least take games off renegades in a set.
ember could but it would be the closest set. everyone on the team is LCS sub-tier except for contractz, but contractz probably dumpsters crumbzz, and at this point you can't even say rf is that much better than solo or goldenglue couldn't at least go equal with alex ich in lane
apex probably is the only team that could win a set vs the other bottom teams, though dignitas continues to insist on doing dumb shit, idk.
On February 22 2016 05:56 Mensol wrote: relegates needs to man up and sign Insanityxxx as top laner.
I think they need to change their entire roster except freeze.
Can't make a great roster around an import ADC. The difference between NA ADC's (+ supports) and their import counterparts is much less than the difference in terms of midlaners/junglers and toplaners.
Thus, I argue they need to cut the whole team to have any change of being a team that can get to playoff.
TSM just started an engagement after Hauntzer got caught. Seemed similar to when they started dragon yesterday vs C9 after Bjergsen died. Some subpar shotcalling.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series. Pretty naive suggestion from Thorin.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat.
Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series.
We are going to see their intended strategy during the game anyway. When they censor stuff during the docu I expect it is stuff that haven't been revealed yet.
For instance the coach could say "we picked the Quinn and plan to rotate it so it isn't in lane vs Malphite and then it should roam around the map to get picks of.." (or something like that). This way we understand the intended win condition, but it's not exactly big secrets they are giving us.
They do this type of stuff in traditional sports as well. Right now we just hear the expected win conditions from the commentators, but why not hear it from the coaches?
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series.
We are going to see their intended strategy during the game anyway. When they censor stuff during the docu I expect it is stuff that haven't been revealed yet.
They do this type of stuff in traditional sports as well.
Post match discussion is also censored. Really that is not even remotely an option because with honest p/b explanations they would have to give away other possible picks/strategies, comfort picks etc..
It's just sad seeing their coach/analyst getting away with this. People on reddit bashing Hauntzer, while there's a man in suit whose job is to guide his team in the P/B phase. In traditional sports, the spotlight would be on the coach.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
That would give away way too much. Notice how TSM and Fnatic censor everything remotely related to strategy in their docu series.
We are going to see their intended strategy during the game anyway. When they censor stuff during the docu I expect it is stuff that haven't been revealed yet.
They do this type of stuff in traditional sports as well.
Post match discussion is also censored. Really that is not even remotely an option because with honest p/b explanations they would have to give away other possible picks/strategies, comfort picks etc..
Yes if they fix stuff after the game, then they don't wanna give it away as the enemy team can see it going forward to the next game. Thorins suggestion is different as we get to see the strategy anyway, so it will already be revealed at that point in time. There is basically nothing to hide anymore. And if the coach believe something is a secret, then they can opt not to talk about it during the interview. But 95% of the stuff there won't be any potential secrets anyway.
@ Secrets
If you watch EU LCS you see the players being part of the analyst desk and they actually offer a lot of their thoughts on the current meta game and thoughts on other teams P/B. If anything, that's much more likely to give out "secrets" than explaining what the intended strategy was in a specific game.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat.
Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage
Except you can't split push with Quinn in this comp. Quinn needs to have a favorable lane opponent, and late game the team comp is absolutely dead (he deals no damage to armor-stacked Malph). So the only possible win condition is through a midgame pick comp.
On February 22 2016 06:55 Ysellian wrote: Bjergsen on Lulu just feels wasted.
This is almost like watching SKT put Faker on Lulu over and over
Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner.
IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims.
On February 22 2016 06:55 Ysellian wrote: Bjergsen on Lulu just feels wasted.
This is almost like watching SKT put Faker on Lulu over and over
Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner.
IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims.
The skill difference isn't as significant anymore; this means it's not worth to get a suboptimal teamcomp in order to give the "star player" a carry champion. Today real star players are flexible, consistent and works well with the team.
On February 22 2016 06:55 Ysellian wrote: Bjergsen on Lulu just feels wasted.
This is almost like watching SKT put Faker on Lulu over and over
Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner.
IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims.
Yeah that makes sense then. I hope Bjergsen isn't having wrist issues too, but he is still mostly on carry champs I believe.
On February 22 2016 07:25 Ansibled wrote: Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway.
I don't play Lulu so I'm staying well away from any argument regarding this.
On February 22 2016 06:55 Ysellian wrote: Bjergsen on Lulu just feels wasted.
This is almost like watching SKT put Faker on Lulu over and over
Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner.
IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims.
It's not clear at all.
There is nothing to suggest he wants his team to carry for him, but that was the meta they were in. Lulu is the carry of that comp, it just is carry by proxy. It's not like he can just sit back and chill and they win the game if he plays Lulu.
Do you have any evidence to support that star midlaners have disproportionate more wrist issues, or any evidence that Faker has significant wrist issues?
Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat.
Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage
Except you can't split push with Quinn in this comp. Quinn needs to have a favorable lane opponent, and late game the team comp is absolutely dead (he deals no damage to armor-stacked Malph). So the only possible win condition is through a midgame pick comp.
Idk, I was stretching for a justifcation. Lissandra really would have been the better pick here, prevents malphite from purely stacking armor and can shove him in if the two lane against eachother.
On February 22 2016 06:55 Ysellian wrote: Bjergsen on Lulu just feels wasted.
This is almost like watching SKT put Faker on Lulu over and over
Yeah that infuriates me even more. Sure Lulu is OP, but put your top laner on Lulu then if you really want the comp not your star midlaner.
IDK about Bjergson, but its pretty clear that Faker likes to play Lulu because he is tired, and wants his team to carry him for spring. Star midlaners do seem to disproportionately have wrist issues, so its nice to let them play a less mechanical champ in games and scrims.
It's not clear at all.
There is nothing to suggest he wants his team to carry for him, but that was the meta they were in. Lulu is the carry of that comp, it just is carry by proxy. It's not like he can just sit back and chill and they win the game if he plays Lulu.
Do you have any evidence to support that star midlaners have disproportionate more wrist issues, or any evidence that Faker has significant wrist issues?
Lulu is as mechanically demanding as a huge variety of other mid laners, so this argument is weird anyway.
Yeah why should Lulu be easier on your wrists? Makes no sense at all.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Prog wrote: I just wish Alistar would get nerfed already. Even Kiwikid looks good on this champion, so ridiculous.
kiwikid tends to deliver on alistar, dont forget their relegation game.
Everyone delivers on Alistar. 100% pick/ban for a reason.
Things is kiwi has delivered way before the 100% pick ban.
Honestly Kiwi is probably the most underrated player in the league. I think he has had a decent/slightly above average split, but yet I still see tons of people calling him out as if he was the Crumbz of supports.
Dignitas's real problem has been Billyboss's TP's. While he has good teamfighting, they lose so many games as this hurts the team's overall macro strategy badly.
On February 22 2016 06:56 Fusilero wrote: Quinn counterpick vs malphite is about as boosted as it gets TBH
In before "keep KC"-meme.
If KC knows enough that Quinn into Malphite is boosted as fuck then #KeepKC
Anyway, a suggestion that Thorin brought up that I really would like to see implemented is to interview the coaches just before the game starts/right after P/B-phases. This way they can explain their thought proces on the P/B, and we - as viewers - can evaluate whether they know their shit or not.
Because from an outside view, the Quinn pick was atrocious. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it was a counterpick.
The only mentality I can think that justifies the pick is that you're waiting for scaling anyway since it's a lulu comp so you're willing to take the early game hit of quinn vs malphite which picks up later in the game as a split push threat.
Except TSM had quinn permagrouped so the pick was like, double garbage
Except you can't split push with Quinn in this comp. Quinn needs to have a favorable lane opponent, and late game the team comp is absolutely dead (he deals no damage to armor-stacked Malph). So the only possible win condition is through a midgame pick comp.
Idk, I was stretching for a justifcation. Lissandra really would have been the better pick here, prevents malphite from purely stacking armor and can shove him in if the two lane against eachother.
Hence why we need interviews from coaches. Maybe he had some intended win condition in mind and the team's shotcalling was just fucked up. Or perhaps he has no idea what he is doing.
On February 22 2016 08:16 Hider wrote: C9 so fun to watch. Yes they sometimes they too many risks, but their execution is great so it usually pays off.
I'd much rather see a team that takes risks all the time than a team that does nothing, ESPECIALLY when behind, and just slowly loses the game because they aren't making plays to come back and are just hiding behind turrets while the opponent snowballs out of control.
On February 22 2016 08:16 Hider wrote: C9 so fun to watch. Yes they sometimes they too many risks, but their execution is great so it usually pays off.
Very much looks like the consequence of the blind obedience to Hai's calls. Everybody is on the same page and they collapse on the opponent at the same time, just zero hesitation. Of course if its a shitty call they all die horribly.
On February 22 2016 08:36 GolemMadness wrote: Second week in a row when TL bans a champion, people call them stupid for it, and then the next game the team picks that champion.
On February 22 2016 09:04 Jek wrote: Alright I'm late to the party... But what the hell happend in P/B for Echo Fox get such strong picks. Alistar, Lucian, Gangplank and Kfo on Kayle?!
Lulu, Braum and Corki are strong powerpicks as well. Kayle is just a comfort pick for KFO.
On February 22 2016 09:08 Mensol wrote: Froggen is probably the best mid in NA LCS atm.
Probably. He simply doesn't make any mistakes. While we can look at someone like Jensen and see some great moves he also suffers from the occational misposition/misplay.
Echo Fox looks to be the surprise of the split - 5-1 with their full roster. Froggen and KFO have some star power, Keith and Big are solid role players, Hard the only potential weak point.
I would love to see them try to upgrade to someone like Meteos for the summer split, I think they could legit threaten worlds (evenyearhype)
On February 22 2016 09:10 BrownBear wrote: Echo Fox looks to be the surprise of the split - 5-1 with their full roster. Froggen and KFO have some star power, Keith and Big are solid role players, Hard the only potential weak point.
I would love to see them try to upgrade to someone like Meteos for the summer split, I think they could legit threaten worlds (evenyearhype)
I think at this point we should just accept that Meteos isn't going to be in competitive anymore, he only wants to play his jungle style on a laid back team. Every NA team takes themselves too seriously to accommodate that.
Anyways Echo Ferggens are definitely looking like a playoffs worthy team, but I need to see them in the laneswaps before going any further. They've shown that once given the extended laning phases they can make it work but now we need to see how they handle being forced out of the laning phase earlier than planned to see how high they potentially are.
On February 22 2016 09:04 Jek wrote: Alright I'm late to the party... But what the hell happend in P/B for Echo Fox get such strong picks. Alistar, Lucian, Gangplank and Kfo on Kayle?!
Lulu, Braum and Corki are strong powerpicks as well. Kayle is just a comfort pick for KFO.
Dont think Lulu without a good target to buff is that strong, all damage dealers being pretty much strictly magic ends up with a nearly immortal frontline. Could have seen top Lulu, Corki mid and an actual ADC as an actual strong comp. Without having seen bans it just looks like panic picks from TiP..
On February 22 2016 09:10 BrownBear wrote: Echo Fox looks to be the surprise of the split - 5-1 with their full roster. Froggen and KFO have some star power, Keith and Big are solid role players, Hard the only potential weak point.
I would love to see them try to upgrade to someone like Meteos for the summer split, I think they could legit threaten worlds (evenyearhype)
I think at this point we should just accept that Meteos isn't going to be in competitive anymore, he only wants to play his jungle style on a laid back team. Every NA team takes themselves too seriously to accommodate that.
Anyways Echo Ferggens are definitely looking like a playoffs worthy team, but I need to see them in the laneswaps before going any further. They've shown that once given the extended laning phases they can make it work but now we need to see how they handle being forced out of the laning phase earlier than planned to see how high they potentially are.
On February 22 2016 09:10 BrownBear wrote: Echo Fox looks to be the surprise of the split - 5-1 with their full roster. Froggen and KFO have some star power, Keith and Big are solid role players, Hard the only potential weak point.
I would love to see them try to upgrade to someone like Meteos for the summer split, I think they could legit threaten worlds (evenyearhype)
I think at this point we should just accept that Meteos isn't going to be in competitive anymore, he only wants to play his jungle style on a laid back team. Every NA team takes themselves too seriously to accommodate that.
Anyways Echo Ferggens are definitely looking like a playoffs worthy team, but I need to see them in the laneswaps before going any further. They've shown that once given the extended laning phases they can make it work but now we need to see how they handle being forced out of the laning phase earlier than planned to see how high they potentially are.
So yeh, I have pretty high hopes for Echo Fox. TSM could and should probably be higher, but their shotcalling is bad and Svenskeren + YS has made way too many indiviudal errors throughout the season. The latter has been more consistent as of late though.
They also have an inconsistent ADC which isn't ideal as I believe consistency is extremely important in that position. Winning your laning phase by 5-10 CS on average doesn't matter if you get caught out more than once per game on average.
Btw when will we get english interview from Piglet? When he retires lol? Even some korean players from Lck did english interview at Worlds and Piglet still cant lol.
TSM had immortals on the ropes, until they threw at baron. C9 had a pretty decent early game vs IMT, game could've been completely changed without that first blood on sneaky. CLG has a chance imo, but I don't remember if they've recently looked all that good vs a top team.
The top 4 teams all have potential to take down imt, but it would require a lot. IMT looks hella good.
On February 22 2016 10:01 Mensol wrote: Matt 0-5 with Alistar. perhaps its time to pick another support for him..
I feel like the majority of those loses had nothing to do with his play on the champ though. Like this game, they won lane, got the successful gank but then just got wrecked in one teamfight and what can he even do after that?
The TSM game where they were ahead was like 6-7K ahead and he did really well, but they fucked up the last team fight and blew it. Another Ali loss was the last IMT game, where again he won lane, but RO+Huni hard carried.
It's actually mindblowing that Dyrus was a progamer when he has such slothlike behaviour. He talks and moves slow, how can you have fast reflexes then? Does he have an inner NOS button hidden somewhere?
On February 22 2016 10:01 Mensol wrote: Matt 0-5 with Alistar. perhaps its time to pick another support for him..
I feel like the majority of those loses had nothing to do with his play on the champ though. Like this game, they won lane, got the successful gank but then just got wrecked in one teamfight and what can he even do after that?
matt played like absolute shit in at least 2 of the alistar games, with multiple facepalm/gamelosing plays. He might actually be the worst support in NA, or at least bottom 3.
Dardoch contributed to the loss as much as Lourlo, they gave up 4 kills for nothing after he tried to steal a blue buff. I think he passed at least 2 wards while getting there
On February 22 2016 11:08 wei2coolman wrote: wait. tsm lost to fucking dignitas? lol. godbless.
Did you look at their team comp?
Was a fucking joke... it looked like TSM pulled a "Eh... its dignitas so lets try something, cause they are shit" and then they got wrekt.
They brought a shit comp.. last picking Quinn into Malphite...when your only other damage on the team was a Caitlyn.... Vs a MALPHITE... o and a support mid.
Like... their comp was worse than what you see in SoloQ. It was literally Doublelift v 5, and eventually he killed himself due to his team being worthless.
Seriously, has any1 else been severely saddened by Svenskeren's play? TSM had their 1st pick of any team when it came to jungle role...and arguably picked the worst candidate at least so far this season.
On February 22 2016 11:08 wei2coolman wrote: wait. tsm lost to fucking dignitas? lol. godbless.
Did you look at their team comp?
Was a fucking joke... it looked like TSM pulled a "Eh... its dignitas so lets try something, cause they are shit" and then they got wrekt.
They brought a shit comp.. last picking Quinn into Malphite...when your only other damage on the team was a Caitlyn.... Vs a MALPHITE... o and a support mid.
Like... their comp was worse than what you see in SoloQ. It was literally Doublelift v 5, and eventually he killed himself due to his team being worthless.
Seriously, has any1 else been severely saddened by Svenskeren's play? TSM had their 1st pick of any team when it came to jungle role...and arguably picked the worst candidate at least so far this season.
TSM didn't lose because of their team comp, it's like the easiest excuse.
On February 22 2016 11:08 wei2coolman wrote: wait. tsm lost to fucking dignitas? lol. godbless.
Did you look at their team comp?
Was a fucking joke... it looked like TSM pulled a "Eh... its dignitas so lets try something, cause they are shit" and then they got wrekt.
They brought a shit comp.. last picking Quinn into Malphite...when your only other damage on the team was a Caitlyn.... Vs a MALPHITE... o and a support mid.
Like... their comp was worse than what you see in SoloQ. It was literally Doublelift v 5, and eventually he killed himself due to his team being worthless.
Seriously, has any1 else been severely saddened by Svenskeren's play? TSM had their 1st pick of any team when it came to jungle role...and arguably picked the worst candidate at least so far this season.
TSM didn't lose because of their team comp, it's like the easiest excuse.
They lost because they brought a troll teamcomp, because they clearly werent taking their opponents even minorly seriously.
But I wont waste time arguing whether or not team composition matters in league, as its quite obvious.
On February 22 2016 11:08 wei2coolman wrote: wait. tsm lost to fucking dignitas? lol. godbless.
Did you look at their team comp?
Was a fucking joke... it looked like TSM pulled a "Eh... its dignitas so lets try something, cause they are shit" and then they got wrekt.
They brought a shit comp.. last picking Quinn into Malphite...when your only other damage on the team was a Caitlyn.... Vs a MALPHITE... o and a support mid.
Like... their comp was worse than what you see in SoloQ. It was literally Doublelift v 5, and eventually he killed himself due to his team being worthless.
Seriously, has any1 else been severely saddened by Svenskeren's play? TSM had their 1st pick of any team when it came to jungle role...and arguably picked the worst candidate at least so far this season.
TSM didn't lose because of their team comp, it's like the easiest excuse.
They lost because they brought a troll teamcomp, because they clearly werent taking their opponents even minorly seriously.
But I wont waste time arguing whether or not team composition matters in league, as its quite obvious.
They had a terrible team comp maybe, but if they played even remotely competent (or Sven didn't shit the bed) it should have still been a win.
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