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The biggest issue with Jhin is that it takes 2 seconds for him to reload after firing his 4 shots.
2 seconds of doing literal 0 damage in a teamfight. 2 seconds of just walking around, hoping no one jumps on you and blows you up.
If they want to buff Jhin to be competitive and more useful in a teamfight, let AS boost how fast his reload speed is. Basically have it be where if you have normal ADC runes and build one Zeal-based item (probably Rapidfire Cannon) that it'll decrease his reload speed to 1 second.
Honestly, if C9 was going to pick Jhin into Kalista, they needed to ban Braum or bait IMT to go Kalista + Alistair, as the Braum shield is why Jhin didn't get some kills early on when Sneaky and Hai traded kills early on in bot lane with Turtle and Adrian.
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On February 15 2016 07:58 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 07:55 suicideyear wrote:On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote:
Jhin still confirmed garbage lol. he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
His 3k range poke is on a 2 minute cooldown. He just seems terrible in the ADC role for the team. So many times in these fights he was just running around not actually attacking anyone. Maybe it was just Sneaky playing poorly but dam Jhin looked horrible in that game.
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He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless.
You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile.
Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really.
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On February 15 2016 08:02 asymptotech wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 07:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Also, what a disgusting game by WildTurtle, even if we ignore maw/steraks, Lux shields, fotm, Nidalee heals and Braum, etc, etc. I'm curious why you think maw/steraks is bad in that specific scenario.
I dont think he's saying they're bad items, but they are super defensive choices.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 15 2016 08:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 08:02 asymptotech wrote:On February 15 2016 07:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Also, what a disgusting game by WildTurtle, even if we ignore maw/steraks, Lux shields, fotm, Nidalee heals and Braum, etc, etc. I'm curious why you think maw/steraks is bad in that specific scenario. I dont think he's saying they're bad items, but they are super defensive choices.
Not bad, not defensive.
It's just disgusting :>
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hes saying they are good items
'despite being helped by a massive array of shields/heals/buffs, turtle had a very good performance today'
yw for translation
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The maw + steraks combo is actually genius and allows Turtle to go head first into 1v4 to start off a teamfight and still live at the end. Yeah he was super ahead but most players would rather build 2 more damage items i'd assume
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On February 15 2016 08:02 Lonyo wrote:
He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless.
You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile.
Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really.
The thing is traditionally you still want a source of primary consistent damage in a poke comp to deal as either cleanup for tower pushing. If Jhin is now in your ADC position while needing a poke comp that means you now need both consistent damage and poke champs in your other roles. So say you have something like Varus mid with Jhin bot. That just seems awful, what does Jhin offer in that situation that another ADC couldn't do better?
I just don't see him as a viable bot laner in his current state. Maybe if his numbers are completely broken then they can force him but his kit just seems bad for it.
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On February 15 2016 08:08 MooMooMugi wrote:
The maw + steraks combo is actually genius and allows Turtle to go head first into 1v4 to start off a teamfight and still live at the end. Yeah he was super ahead but most players would rather build 2 more damage items i'd assume
I completely agree, I just misunderstood the implication.
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On February 15 2016 08:08 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 08:02 Lonyo wrote:
He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless.
You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile.
Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really. The thing is traditionally you still want a source of primary consistent damage in a poke comp to deal as either cleanup for tower pushing. If Jhin is now in your ADC position while needing a poke comp that means you now need both consistent damage and poke champs in your other roles. So say you have something like Varus mid with Jhin bot. That just seems awful, what does Jhin offer in that situation that another ADC couldn't do better? I just don't see him as a viable bot laner in his current state. Maybe if his numbers are completely broken then they can force him but his kit just seems bad for it.
I agree, he's bad because he doesn't have a role that others can't do far better. I was trying to say what I think he seems to need to support him, not that he would be the best choice in such a comp. He needs all those things and there are still better choices. He just isn't worth picking.
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On February 15 2016 08:07 dsyxelic wrote:
hes saying they are good items
'despite being helped by a massive array of shields/heals/buffs, turtle had a very good performance today'
yw for translation
I feel awkward now. :p
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On February 15 2016 08:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 08:07 dsyxelic wrote:
hes saying they are good items
'despite being helped by a massive array of shields/heals/buffs, turtle had a very good performance today'
yw for translation I feel awkward now. :p
i got what u were saying :>
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 15 2016 08:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 08:07 dsyxelic wrote:
hes saying they are good items
'despite being helped by a massive array of shields/heals/buffs, turtle had a very good performance today'
yw for translation I feel awkward now. :p
Unlucky 
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lesse if alex ich can snowball hard enough on LB to counteract crumbzz today
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On February 15 2016 08:22 suicideyear wrote:
lesse if alex ich can snowball hard enough on LB to counteract crumbzz today
nope
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Damn, Alex solokilled by fake Koreans now
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who would win in a 4 team gauntlet:
- Renegades
- Giants
- Roccat
- literally any challenger series team
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On February 15 2016 08:28 suicideyear wrote:
who would win in a 4 team gauntlet:
- Renegades
- Giants
- Roccat
- literally any challenger series team
Challenger series team or Roccat if Betsy 1v9.
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On February 15 2016 08:28 suicideyear wrote:
who would win in a 4 team gauntlet:
- Renegades
- Giants
- Roccat
- literally any challenger series team
CS has some much worse shitters like SK or Enemy
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