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On January 13 2016 17:31 bbc23 wrote: This Kindred build path is beyond tilting
I'm interested in why the early swifties.
Swifties are probably the best boots right now but he's not even getting any marks so it's not being used for anything. So he goes fast and has unlimited sustain but he just has no damage or gank pressure really.
On January 13 2016 18:08 dsyxelic wrote: im very surprised mundo isnt prioritized at all.
also cj really liking maokai
Considering how hard SKT snowballed that game, I think pro-teams are finishing games by 25 min mark in their scrims, and mundo needs items to ramp up properly.
On January 13 2016 18:08 dsyxelic wrote: im very surprised mundo isnt prioritized at all.
also cj really liking maokai
Considering how hard SKT snowballed that game, I think pro-teams are finishing games by 25 min mark in their scrims, and mundo needs items to ramp up properly.
On January 13 2016 18:08 dsyxelic wrote: im very surprised mundo isnt prioritized at all.
also cj really liking maokai
Considering how hard SKT snowballed that game, I think pro-teams are finishing games by 25 min mark in their scrims, and mundo needs items to ramp up properly.
his late game is better yeah but current mundo is so strong that his early-mid game is actually not that bad
its little to no risk early on for a massive payout if you happen to go late
If CJ want to win they need two of kindred/lucian/leblanc to be super fed enough to 1v5 after faker oneshots the other one, and they need to avoid ever getting caught in an mf ult.
SKT have a comp where any non massive gold lead is honestly pretty irrelevant as long as mf and viktor aren't too far behind.
On January 13 2016 18:31 killerdog wrote: If CJ want to win they need two of kindred/lucian/leblanc to be super fed enough to 1v5 after faker oneshots the other one, and they need to avoid ever getting caught in an mf ult.
SKT have a comp where any non massive gold lead is honestly pretty irrelevant as long as mf and viktor aren't too far behind.
If only bengi would stop suiciding >.>
hard to oneshot with kindred ult though, if bubbling can use it properly will agree that SKT comp is better tho
On January 13 2016 18:31 killerdog wrote: If CJ want to win they need two of kindred/lucian/leblanc to be super fed enough to 1v5 after faker oneshots the other one, and they need to avoid ever getting caught in an mf ult.
SKT have a comp where any non massive gold lead is honestly pretty irrelevant as long as mf and viktor aren't too far behind.
If only bengi would stop suiciding >.>
hard to oneshot with kindred ult though, if bubbling can use it properly will agree that SKT comp is better tho
Kindred ult can counter mf ult but using it vs viktor is pretty hard. You have to pre-emptively do it, and even then chaos storm can just pop you the second the ult wears off :p
It's kind of funny how everyone being so scared of faker means nobody except mao has built any armour at all, so mf ult just completely shreds the entire team
On January 13 2016 18:40 killerdog wrote: It's kind of funny how everyone being so scared of faker means nobody except mao has built any armour at all, so mf ult just completely shreds the entire team
this lb play is not really impressive, probably hard to do anything at this stage though. then again the fight in the midlane she came way too late, cj fought 4v5 for the most part
On January 13 2016 18:53 Undead1993 wrote: this lb play is not really impressive, probably hard to do anything at this stage though. then again the fight in the midlane she came way too late, cj fought 4v5 for the most part
Feels like they put sky on LB so he would have a chance against faker, but it just ended with them going even and faker massively outscaling lb, even with negative jungle pressure.
Not sure what else cj could do about mid though, since if he goes even in a lane he's meant to stomp, he'd just get completely destroyed in any lane where he can actually scale
Duke honestly wasn't that impressive. The teleport plays were less frequent in general. Bengi also ganks top a lot less compared to when Marin was on the team (granted this may be heavily influenced by the champions picked).
On January 13 2016 18:59 Kavas wrote: Bengi also ganks top a lot less compared to when Marin was on the team (granted this may be heavily influenced by the champions picked).
Also doesn't help that he randomly died twice in his own jungle in the first 15 minutes of the second game.
Hachani did some Hachani things but he had a pretty good series on the whole, then again it's easier to get away with Hachani things against Freecs than SKT, Longzhu or Rox
this jin air comp is so good. if they cant win with this comp they have 0 chance
sigh lulu boots of swiftness. I guess its excusable since its vs tahm kench and if he cant slow to catch you you're invincible but still.. you really need it
On January 14 2016 17:30 dsyxelic wrote: this jin air comp is so good. if they cant win with this comp they have 0 chance
sigh lulu boots of swiftness. I guess its excusable since its vs tahm kench and if he cant slow to catch you you're invincible but still.. you really need it
why is flame not playing again? missed it
just choosing not to play him I think
everyone going swifties now cause they nerfed teh boots and theyre cheap
On January 14 2016 17:30 dsyxelic wrote: this jin air comp is so good. if they cant win with this comp they have 0 chance
sigh lulu boots of swiftness. I guess its excusable since its vs tahm kench and if he cant slow to catch you you're invincible but still.. you really need it
why is flame not playing again? missed it
they mentioned that expession and chaser have better synergy that's why he is playing and not flame
On January 14 2016 17:30 dsyxelic wrote: this jin air comp is so good. if they cant win with this comp they have 0 chance
sigh lulu boots of swiftness. I guess its excusable since its vs tahm kench and if he cant slow to catch you you're invincible but still.. you really need it
why is flame not playing again? missed it
just choosing not to play him I think
everyone going swifties now cause they nerfed teh boots and theyre cheap
like I get that its good
but lucidity boots are also cheap
and one of the best users of lucidity boots is lulu top, very hard to think of a better user of it
and you get diminished returns for MS on lulu since she has whimsy.
only reason I havent tilted from it is because TK vs lulu matchup
but hes going mejais too so who knows what hes thinking
also lux getting every blue and going straight 40% cdr from items is odd. not getting morellos and going scaling cdr runes seems way superior
but eh itemization will probably be all over the place for a while till people figure things out
On January 14 2016 18:52 Zess wrote: Game 1 IM was like a real team but they just picked meme champs, but in Game 2 they're getting exposed pretty hard for just only being memes
On January 15 2016 17:55 AdsMoFro wrote: Super close game from SBENU. KT doesn't look all that good. Appears as if they went back to pre-Piccaboo style.
they still look ok imo but definitely not as good. Not a fan of their super conservative style even when the games aren't as close.
On January 15 2016 19:52 Wita wrote: CJ 0-4 bois FeelsBadMan
But its also against two very strong teams
Sure but we're also not even seeing any reason for optimism. Their drafts and confidence in Ashe are really bizarre. In a patch where boots that reduce slowness effectiveness are OP as fuck and qss turns into a very strong AD item you probably don't want to pick the adc with one of the lowest damage outputs.
Yeah, CJ most likely have had the hardest opener imaginable really with a team consisting of 3 rookies and a guy who hasnt been playing in the LSPL for the last year and then a MadLife who is nowhere near the top of his game. From what I have seen I havent been very impressed with any of the new players besides Sky yet. Also that one 1v1 between Peanut and Sky really set the pace of this game, since it prevented a massive rotation from Sky.. Peanut really played well for Tigers it must be said. And I dont know what Bubbling is doing half the time.
On January 15 2016 20:00 Wita wrote: Yeah, CJ most likely have had the hardest opener imaginable really with a team consisting of 3 rookies and a guy who hasnt been playing in the LSPL for the last year and then a MadLife who is nowhere near the top of his game. From what I have seen I havent been very impressed with any of the new players besides Sky yet. Also that one 1v1 between Peanut and Sky really set the pace of this game, since it prevented a massive rotation from Sky.. Peanut really played well for Tigers it must be said. And I dont know what Bubbling is doing half the time.
Kramer went to worlds and Madlife didn't, so who's the real Rookie ;v
Forgot that he went to Worlds because he played like absolute garbage in that tourney. But in regards to Champions calling him a rookie is still right, he has not comped in champions before this split
Yea I see you have CJ flair so it must be sad seeing your team go from the two dominant sister teams in 2012/2013 into being a place that takes ADCs that get kicked off of LMS teams.
But I liquibet Tigers with 100% confidence because a team that's starting Kramer and Untara is probably worse than SBENU / Freecs.
On January 15 2016 20:18 Slusher wrote: I mean they needed to sign a guy who knew he would get benched come march, in times like these you end up with LMS rejects.
See while that would be standard logic, CJ has the former Najin coaching staff. They could easily dick around BDD like they did Peanut and Ohq.
Fair play to Tigers absolutely deserved win, if they keep playing like this going forward I have a hard time not seeing them at going far in the playoffs.
I don't want to see SKT v anything, they'll make it boring when we realize that longzhu and tiggers aren't even close. It's like how KT and KOO went back and forth in the Summer them SKT godstomped KT in the finals
to be honest this meta seems pretty bad for bengi but tremor sense in competitive makes up for a lot of what picking a tank jungle in this meta normally lacks.
CLG > Jin Air > SKT. Clearly this confirms that CLG just choked against KOO/FW, they would have totally done way better than KOO did in the finals against SKT at worlds
On January 16 2016 21:17 Fusilero wrote: CLG > Jin Air > SKT. Clearly this confirms that CLG just choked against KOO/FW, they would have totally done way better than KOO did in the finals against SKT at worlds
On January 16 2016 21:28 Amui wrote: It's really interesting how the top ADC's do ghostblade sterakk's.
It's not like Graves gets a lot out of AS, so it makes crit unyieldy to itemise for him too. ArPen works better for surprise burst, and since there's less frontline and he's got that shit range, he needs something to not be 100-0'd before he even gets to auto range (he'll already lose half his health to do it if he doesn't burn E).
On January 16 2016 21:44 Dan HH wrote: Didn't catch JAG vs SKT, what happened?
In first game SKT played with Blank / Scout and they lost. In 2nd game they brought Faker/Bengi back and got snowballed early on by Winged. They were down 9-0 in first couple of minutes.
On January 16 2016 22:04 oneofthem wrote: the amount of jungle prospects/replacements skt has missed is more than the number of cuban prospects passed up by the yankees.
Also, Bengi wasn't the issue that series, more so their comps were super questionable no engage comps. If you can't punish a triple AD comp, then they're going to run over you. Good to see TrAce comfortable on a pick, that hasn't happened in ages. The less Sohwan the better for Jin Air.
On January 20 2016 17:23 Wita wrote: Ambition first blood guys
ez lane got pushed in roams
ambition did nothing wrong
ok i lied
this game, ambition did everything wrong
Samsung had this game until they threw at dragon, even at 20 minutes with that scaling comp is definitely ahead, all they had to do was play safe for another 5-10 minutes and they should have won easy.
On January 20 2016 18:12 Slusher wrote: this match up is Poppy favored imo, but Cuvee is Cuvee so I feel like that might now shine though here.
It seems LZ agrees, dunno why else you'd swap here.
poppy favored slightly i think based on LPL
cuvee huge shitter, does nothing in no man's land between turrets for a minute, spends time after that wandering around bot jungle cause he can't go into lane, ends up dying anyway
only didn't get caught earlier cause ward got spotted by minion wave
On January 20 2016 19:04 Slusher wrote: Corki looked like a completely different champion between those two games..
biggest problem other than chaser throwing was that Longzhu coulda won at any time but decided to drag the game out anyway, and by the endo f the game everyone was full build. Poppy full build beats Fiora full build, Samsung comp in general outscales.
On January 20 2016 19:04 Slusher wrote: Corki looked like a completely different champion between those two games..
biggest problem other than chaser throwing was that Longzhu coulda won at any time but decided to drag the game out anyway, and by the endo f the game everyone was full build. Poppy full build beats Fiora full build, Samsung comp in general outscales.
honestly poppy wins the duel at any point -1 item or less in my experence unless you let yourself get ulted by Fiora with your ult on cd/no walls nearby melee v melee poppy is pretttttty broken.
On January 20 2016 19:04 Slusher wrote: Corki looked like a completely different champion between those two games..
biggest problem other than chaser throwing was that Longzhu coulda won at any time but decided to drag the game out anyway, and by the endo f the game everyone was full build. Poppy full build beats Fiora full build, Samsung comp in general outscales.
honestly poppy wins the duel at any point -1 item or less in my experence unless you let yourself get ulted by Fiora with your ult on cd/no walls nearby
well it's cuvee though
and he was legit flame horizoned and expession had kills so there was a huge gold differential, don't forget Cuvee spent the first 15 minutes not farming/taking jungle camps cause he had nowhere to go. Like longzhu was ahead enough that matchups shouldn't matter unless you get to the point where everyone is full build, which this game did.
On January 20 2016 19:04 Slusher wrote: Corki looked like a completely different champion between those two games..
On January 20 2016 19:12 DystopiaX wrote:Like longzhu was ahead enough that matchups shouldn't matter unless you get to the point where everyone is full build
yea the point I was trying to make is, the gold gap Fiora needs on Poppy is massive, like the only time she was able to kill her was with a 3 man gank, and this is WITH a Flame horizon
On January 20 2016 19:12 DystopiaX wrote:Like longzhu was ahead enough that matchups shouldn't matter unless you get to the point where everyone is full build
yea the point I was trying to make is, the gold gap Fiora needs on Poppy is massive, like the only time she was able to kill her was with a 3 man gank, and this is WITH a Flame horizon
hmm
I dont think it's that big, but idk haven't seen enough of it and I don't play top so you're probably right
Picking Corki/Reksai/Gnar and letting Lucian/Poppy/Elise to the enemy team on this patch... I didn't expect much from a coaching staff that includes Lustboy but this is straight up catastrophic.
On January 20 2016 19:59 Maluk wrote: Picking Corki/Reksai/Gnar and letting Lucian/Poppy/Elise to the enemy team on this patch... I didn't expect much from a coaching staff that includes Lustboy but this is straight up catastrophic.
poppy top had a 75% winrate in LPL on first week
Cuvee got flame horizoned twice and still held his own in the splitpush
MUCH bigger deal, corki/reksai are still fine picks, gnar situationally. But letting the best toplaner this patch go to last rotation both rounds is dumb.
On January 20 2016 20:01 rebdomine wrote: Chinese money still struggling to make a super team even though they already went so far as to actually buy a team in the LCK
It's obvious that the Chinese investors wanted star players and didn't even think about coaching staff. I don't know if I can actually support a team that has friggin' Lustboy as a coach, I like the players but this is just sad.
On January 20 2016 20:01 rebdomine wrote: Chinese money still struggling to make a super team even though they already went so far as to actually buy a team in the LCK
It's obvious that the Chinese investors wanted star players and didn't even think about coaching staff. I don't know if I can actually support a team that has friggin' Lustboy as a coach, I like the players but this is just sad.
On January 20 2016 20:59 rebdomine wrote: This EMF Lux building Lucidity boots, FQC and Morello... built way too much CDR and does very little damage, ugh
thats also like, the build every other lux in pro has gone. Don't think it's good, but don't know why they'd all build like this.
On January 20 2016 21:12 Maluk wrote: Trace winning lane feels so weird. I like it though
against bugged heca in a matchup that liss already wins
He kind of won lanes multiple times this season already, whereas he's been losing lane 100% of the time last season. I always thought of Trace as that guy who always loses lane but is super smart, if he starts actually holding his own in lane this guy can be real good imo.
On January 21 2016 17:56 rewired wrote: Startin to wonder why KT won't use Ignar. Hachani just played a 40 minute game where he didn't hit a single impact Morgana Q.
On January 20 2016 20:59 rebdomine wrote: This EMF Lux building Lucidity boots, FQC and Morello... built way too much CDR and does very little damage, ugh
It's good in Kt's comp here. Problem is they lost early game too hard. We saw KT's comp sort of kick in that end of mid game. Where they were able to burst through 90% of the health, and force 2 targets off towers. It gave a ton of objective control regardless. Problem they lost too much early on, and Rox got too tanky.
On January 21 2016 21:39 GoSuChicken wrote: Honestly, this new League meta seems so boring, 12 minutes in and theres not a single kill... the game has become so passive and stale
I mean yeah, but I've seen the same in the NA LCS as well. Havent watched comptetitive league in a while but since my return I havent really seen any intense games. I think there need to be more earlier kills
KT v Rox was pretty exciting, this is more CJ is bad and SBENU are idk. SBENU has been quite a let down so far this season, I expected much more out of the team. They're winning against CJ but it's a very limp win
I'm guessing China not living up to the hype has a lot to do with the decline in popularity as well. I used to watch a bit of LPL because last year it was regarded as the best league in the world ; right now I have no interest at all in watching it. Western people who watch Asian leagues probably care a lot about the level of play.
Meanwhile the Korean league's level is looking much better this year, it is not in ruins as it was in early 2015.
On January 22 2016 18:59 AsnSensation wrote: LPL getting 1000 viewers 1h into their broadcast, guess people are already fed with Riot CN's shit
after 4 pauses into regame with pause yesterday I'm pretty sure most people gave up, and many of those that didn't watch vods where you can skip all the bullshit
Nuclear is suffering. That carry was impossible with a team that heavy. Sasin, Soar hella boosted. Flawless thinks he's still in soloqueue. Secret is average.
On January 27 2016 20:16 Kavas wrote: SKT HOW ARE YOU SO FREAKING GOOD!
bang carried
terrible engage by Tigers at the end there, reksai flanks and hits knockup on no one, quinn flanks and focuses tank elise, let huge ez freehit on everyone
like focus unkillable poppy/tank elise instead why dont you
On January 27 2016 20:16 Kavas wrote: SKT HOW ARE YOU SO FREAKING GOOD!
bang carried
terrible engage by Tigers at the end there, reksai flanks and hits knockup on no one, quinn flanks and focuses tank elise, let huge ez freehit on everyone
like focus unkillable poppy/tank elise instead why dont you
Even then you see how good all of them are playing.
They're taking note of Quinn and skirting around her so much.
Landing cc on key targets and weaving in and out of the fights waiting for CDs.
On January 27 2016 20:27 oneofthem wrote: this is still bad. they cant be falling behind every single game
glad bang getting some recognition.
Of course not, but it's always good to know the team is able to play from behind. In some cases, the position they were in could be considered unwinnable even.
I haven't been watching League long, but Bang has always impressed me. If I remember correctly, he went without a death in worlds until the semis vs Origen?
Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
People take turns to play roles in SKTT1. No matter what someone must be the troll and someone else must be the savior, and pretty much everyone in the team has played both roles, except for Wolf who has only ever been trolling/throwing as far as I know.
On January 27 2016 21:45 Ansibled wrote: Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
RIP Bengi.
no one says that
i keep hearing this but i see it even less than the retarded reddit comments thoorin calls out in his videos. i've literally only seen it on this forum for some reason when someone wants to call him overrated.
bang's been consistently good since last season. having a good team works both ways. he gets more room to be successful but he also has less opportunities to stand out.
i think of him as a rich man's rekkles. a better version that is better at carrying and better at being a safe consistent damage dealer who is pretty much plug n play into any team and not very meta dependent.
Fell asleep halfway through G2 wondering if SKT was going to be able to keep it together enough to 2-1 (at the point I fell asleep I felt like KOO were sufficiently ahead that it would be almost impossible to throw with their draft / allow SKT to come back)
On January 27 2016 21:45 Ansibled wrote: Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
On January 27 2016 21:45 Ansibled wrote: Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
RIP Bengi.
Who's better?
In Korea last summer, Fury and Ohq. Banned and NACS hype, so maybe Bang wins by default? I dunno about how Imp/Deft compare because lol China, I still think they can be better.
Bang is easily top 3-5, I just think those ADCs would look just as good if not better on SKT.
On January 27 2016 21:45 Ansibled wrote: Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
RIP Bengi.
Who's better?
ohq, fury, nuclear, etcetc. bang is middle of the pack ogn adc that has occasional clutch potential. Which is fine, but let's not pretend he's top tier adc because he's on the best team in the world.
Not to mention he got boosted from imp and deft leaving korea.
Don't really think Ohq and Fury are better than Bang, not by a long shot.
Imp and Deft are better but they also tend to yolo pretty hard at random time. It's like Piglet/Fenix syndrome, but obv not as severe. Bang has stepped up a ton since his T1 S days. In terms of a consistent presence over the course of a season, I'd def choose Bang over the rest of the OGN ADCs.
bang is a guy who makes good decisions and can still go aggressive when needed. you really don't want to have a guy who goes crazy aggressive and take unnecessary risks when your team is dependent on you to carry lategame. bang's safe play in lane allows skt to carry wolf and use his roaming ability as well.
his mechanics cap is pretty high and will do a lot of damage in teamfights with limited resources. i'd rather faker play like bang tbh. some of the risky plays faker pulls isn't going to work when he's older.
On January 28 2016 04:50 oneofthem wrote: bang is a guy who makes good decisions and can still go aggressive when needed. you really don't want to have a guy who goes crazy aggressive and take unnecessary risks when your team is dependent on you to carry lategame.
his mechanics cap is pretty high and will do a lot of damage with limited resources. i'd rather faker play like bang tbh.
The problem is I don't think SKT has enough skill elsewhere for faker to play like that, without reaching the success they have.
On January 28 2016 04:50 oneofthem wrote: bang is a guy who makes good decisions and can still go aggressive when needed. you really don't want to have a guy who goes crazy aggressive and take unnecessary risks when your team is dependent on you to carry lategame.
his mechanics cap is pretty high and will do a lot of damage with limited resources. i'd rather faker play like bang tbh.
The problem is I don't think SKT has enough skill elsewhere for faker to play like that, without reaching the success they have.
i guess he could dial back the lane pressure except vs guys who roam a lot and try to maximize impacting other lanes. they prob need a better jungler to maximize faker's influence in this style tho.
duke has been rather disappointing so far. he's like the greg monroe of lol, overrated by stats. they'd be better with smeb by far.
On January 27 2016 21:45 Ansibled wrote: Bang is overrated, people call him the best in the world and he's not. He's still very good but he isn't the best. He carried the first game because ROX went full braindead, it's not that he performs badly but he has a lot of room to perform on SKT when Faker does so much work in team fights.
RIP Bengi.
Who's better?
ohq, fury, nuclear, etcetc. bang is middle of the pack ogn adc that has occasional clutch potential. Which is fine, but let's not pretend he's top tier adc because he's on the best team in the world.
Not to mention he got boosted from imp and deft leaving korea.
if anything those guys are overrated lmao. they've accomplished nothing and while they have had impressive carry games on struggling teams, bang has already shown that he can play at that level with more consistent performances. when SKT plays around bang he steps up and is able to play the main carry role. when they don't, he's fine to play a secondary or even tertiary role. that flexibility alone is valuable as fuck.
not only that, it's no coincidence that bang is looking more impressive this season. last season was top centric so he was given virtually no resources. he was LAST place in team's gold % for summer split. for reference, the adc with the lowest gold% in the NA LCS fucking Apollo had more of his team's resources than bang did. In EU, adryh, vardags. now that adc's been given more power and duke is still adjusting to SKT, they've been giving bang slightly more to work with (he's now middle of the pack in terms of resources) and topping the charts in damage.
He's a rich man's rekkles to me since rekkles also was put in a similar spot last season but bang's a better version.
top 3 adc is fine giving benefit of the doubt to like fury/ohq/nuclear or whoever but top 5/middle of the pack is just lomo. the others have a lot more to prove than bang does right now.
it's easier to not look bad when playing with faker but it's also harder to look good playing with faker (and marin last season being the 1st or 2nd carry). it's also easier to look like a god on a shit team but it's also harder to not become a shitter yourself on a shit team.
both had advantages and disadvantages.
so no I'm not going to say 'lol bang default #1 adc korea and world' but fuck no I would not take 5 LCK adc's over bang if I had to build a team
On January 29 2016 19:43 Numy wrote: I tune in and it's 1-1 with this game being 26 minutes 0-2. League WHY BORING.
Nice steal there.
This game isn't that boring, there have been small skirmishes and intelligent play,
Man, EMF really threw at baron though, somehow still clinging on.
It's like orgasm denial. They sit there poking at each other every now and then have a big of a scuffle but then both walk away before the real payoff can happen. You can almost skip the first 10-20 minutes of a league game to actually get to the payoff moments which is silly. Riot please bring back S2!
It honestly blows my mind how many bombs these guys hit. Zilean is one of the few champs in the game( actually probably only one) that wasn't picked because of how difficult he is to play and not because of him being weak.
On February 03 2016 20:23 DarkCore wrote: 20 minute stalemate, then Corki gets a quadra and ends the game. Not the best of games...
I can't believe Longzhu lost to this garbage comp. 5 AP champions, 2 damage dealers, no damage lategame. Poppy built Sunfire AND IBG, way too much armor for just corki, who's like 80% magic damage anyway. When the sunfire was built I assumed the point was just to help push/stop naut push, but then Expession built iceborn on her too which was just retarded. Then Longzhu clearly had the advantage for most of the game mostly due to team comps and just lose by not doing anything. It's amazing how terrible they look for a team that looks so good on paper.
On February 03 2016 21:13 nafta wrote: Unlucky pure plays a god bard game but very few people are gonna talk about it cuz broken jungle item nidalee farms gg wp
lots of good bard games tonight. Madlife's bard was very good too
fwiw nidalee usually looks like shit, it's just that crash farmed hard so much harder than most nidalees then actually transferred that power to the map, whereas most nidalees farm hard then spend the rest of the game missing spears and doing nothing.
Hard to say how much he actually pressured without being able to watch game from cj pov but honestly his gold lead meant nothing lol. Kinda looked like he just properly invaded because both his solos had more lane presence.
Also yea madlife was godly on bard as well. Reminds me of watching nami/thresh s3 and just crying when I look at western counterparts but now with zilean/bard/ryze.
I think game 3 of LZ vs CJ highlights something I've spoken a lot about in the strategy general discussion thread, but basically by going with a top lane that does magic damage as well as magic damage in 4 of the 5 roles CJ forced Poppy to itemize in a way where she didn't have any wave clear until her 3rd item (sun fire) and didn't have max CDR until almost 40 min.
also he went for the ult at a poor time in the fight that the game sorta turned on (I say turned because LZ had the gold lead up until this point, although most people would call the game even up until this fight) he flash wall banged Kramer but then instantly ulted saving him from the followup damage by LB and Lucian. In the cast Monte credits Madlife's bard ult, which was a good ult and obviously helped them win the fight, but if Flame had held his ult Kramer probably dies and what happens next is up in the air.
I strongly disliked the casting of the Nocturne game, Like you always hear analysts criticize teams for contesting during the lulls in your comps strength. For the most part (except mabye the 1 for 1 at drag) Rox did a really good job of avoiding true confrontation until they scaled to a point where they couldn't be delt with.
So while they did do an ok job of mentioning that the gold lead needed to be larger to be a true lead for EmFire, I really felt like they were being really critical of them for not being more aggressive, or the comp for failing. I mean like I'll take the game 2 meta comp that ends the game with no troubles in 25 min for sure, but that didn't mean game 1 comp was a failure, they played it out the way you should and once they outscaled the fights were humorously one sided as was the design.
on another note I also strongly disliked Lustboy's substitutions today, I feel like there was a lot more to learn by subbing 1 or 2 players for game 3, just changing all 3 every time tells you so little about what is working or isn't working
On February 13 2016 14:19 Slusher wrote: I strongly disliked the casting of the Nocturne game, Like you always hear analysts criticize teams for contesting during the lulls in your comps strength. For the most part (except mabye the 1 for 1 at drag) Rox did a really good job of avoiding true confrontation until they scaled to a point where they couldn't be delt with.
So while they did do an ok job of mentioning that the gold lead needed to be larger to be a true lead for EmFire, I really felt like they were being really critical of them for not being more aggressive, or the comp for failing. I mean like I'll take the game 2 meta comp that ends the game with no troubles in 25 min for sure, but that didn't mean game 1 comp was a failure, they played it out the way you should and once they outscaled the fights were humorously one sided as was the design.
on another note I also strongly disliked Lustboy's substitutions today, I feel like there was a lot more to learn by subbing 1 or 2 players for game 3, just changing all 3 every time tells you so little about what is working or isn't working
You've very much described my general aversion to Papasmithy casting as a whole.
No papasmithy it's because when you don't have a tank you're very vulnerable to ezreal hitting Qs to set up Viktor Es and you don't have a way to initiate unless you get the hook on someone.
So yea you play slow and strangle and split until you can take baron. Then you can seige. Because even that far ahead winning fights against afreeca is hard when you don't have a way in. Shit in the last one at baron had EZ not shifted in at the end* that would have been a win for afreeca and it has nothing to do with baron damage
Could you imagine what would have happened if they tried to dive that viktor/EZ under an inhb turret?
*cant fault him for being aggressive here since hitting his shift auto q would have potentially snowballed into an ace and certainly stopped the baron until afreeca respawned.
On February 13 2016 14:19 Slusher wrote: I strongly disliked the casting of the Nocturne game, Like you always hear analysts criticize teams for contesting during the lulls in your comps strength. For the most part (except mabye the 1 for 1 at drag) Rox did a really good job of avoiding true confrontation until they scaled to a point where they couldn't be delt with.
So while they did do an ok job of mentioning that the gold lead needed to be larger to be a true lead for EmFire, I really felt like they were being really critical of them for not being more aggressive, or the comp for failing. I mean like I'll take the game 2 meta comp that ends the game with no troubles in 25 min for sure, but that didn't mean game 1 comp was a failure, they played it out the way you should and once they outscaled the fights were humorously one sided as was the design.
on another note I also strongly disliked Lustboy's substitutions today, I feel like there was a lot more to learn by subbing 1 or 2 players for game 3, just changing all 3 every time tells you so little about what is working or isn't working
Casters usually try have a narrative for the games. When they expect one team to lose (simply beause they are the worse team) they will want to find reasons for that loss in advance. Which often leads to critiszing the inferior team's team comp / strategy etc even when it should not be. On top of that there is a lot of criticism in hindsight which is even worse. Very typical for Pyratechnics btw.
On February 13 2016 14:19 Slusher wrote: I strongly disliked the casting of the Nocturne game, Like you always hear analysts criticize teams for contesting during the lulls in your comps strength. For the most part (except mabye the 1 for 1 at drag) Rox did a really good job of avoiding true confrontation until they scaled to a point where they couldn't be delt with.
So while they did do an ok job of mentioning that the gold lead needed to be larger to be a true lead for EmFire, I really felt like they were being really critical of them for not being more aggressive, or the comp for failing. I mean like I'll take the game 2 meta comp that ends the game with no troubles in 25 min for sure, but that didn't mean game 1 comp was a failure, they played it out the way you should and once they outscaled the fights were humorously one sided as was the design.
on another note I also strongly disliked Lustboy's substitutions today, I feel like there was a lot more to learn by subbing 1 or 2 players for game 3, just changing all 3 every time tells you so little about what is working or isn't working
Casters usually try have a narrative for the games. When they expect one team to lose (simply beause they are the worse team) they will want to find reasons for that loss in advance. Which often leads to critiszing the inferior team's team comp / strategy etc even when it should not be. On top of that there is a lot of criticism in hindsight which is even worse. Very typical for Pyratechnics btw.
Ironically, DOA, the "fun guy" who does PBP had the best insight during the Rox games when he asked, "I wonder why all these bottom of the league teams keep running such fragile poke comps over and over?"
And then indeed, why not try to go full UOL chaos style?
On February 17 2016 19:01 Inflicted wrote: Why isnt TrAce ulting the rammus away?
Don't think it would have mattered in this case. They'd have to hard engage and hope to win before rammus gets back into the fight since rammus can facetank the entire enemy team. Bard ulti gives rammus too much time to get back unless you somehow ult everybody but trace. That leaves them with no reliable hard engage, so it was pretty much a draft loss if they didn't win hard early. Between lulu/thresh and the rumble, you'd be hard pressed to win the fight before rammus comes back at which point there is no winning.
On February 17 2016 19:01 Inflicted wrote: Why isnt TrAce ulting the rammus away?
Don't think it would have mattered in this case. They'd have to hard engage and hope to win before rammus gets back into the fight since rammus can facetank the entire enemy team. Bard ulti gives rammus too much time to get back unless you somehow ult everybody but trace. That leaves them with no reliable hard engage, so it was pretty much a draft loss if they didn't win hard early. Between lulu/thresh and the rumble, you'd be hard pressed to win the fight before rammus comes back at which point there is no winning.
In the first fight near dragon, they wouldve done better if he ulted Rammus and they all turned on the Kalista instead of ulting her away. But yeah, triple ADC vs rammus is death but denying the Rammus engage is still the best use of the ult imo
On February 18 2016 19:56 Alaric wrote: LZ didn't strike me as that good previously. Did SKT play badly or was that an upset?
LZ played very tight early games both games but it was more so SKT not playing like typical SKT. Bengi on Udyr that does absolutely nothing all game and gets outfarmed by Chaser, Duke solopushing and teleporting late, Bang with god awful positioning, Faker getting camped mid = gg
In every important game that SKT has played for the past year Bengi has been there, being a core player and often the carry of the team. I don't give a damn about his regular season performance, if he can still turn up the heat when it matters there is no reason to find another jungler. He is still the best jungler in the world and absolutely unmatched when shit gets real.
thats what it feels like playing with a jungler tho. maybe 4v5ing too much has conditioned people to see no the jungle as the baseline.
seeiously tho his low eco style is rather dependent on doing effective things early and that takes team level coordination. when they dont have that bengi is just a creep
On February 19 2016 22:26 oneofthem wrote: most players get judged in comparison to a replacement or average pro player, bengi gets the benefit of being compared to no jungle at all.
Well they did try Blank and he was somehow worse than Bengi
well at least they are exposing the weakness early enough for a wide window on remedies. still got most of the year to figure out the roster. wardbot bengi is just not going to cut it
On February 20 2016 20:42 Ansibled wrote: What an interesting result... should I watch the games or are they awful?
Also go ever for IEM, lol...
I still have a feeling SKT will go through IEM without dropping a game. They were slumping hard in 2014 and they still beat all the other regions at All Stars 2014 without dropping a game.
Longzhu is obviously lacking in strategy but they won't fix what should actually be fixed i.e. their coaching staff. Making players take turns shows that this team (and by this I guess I mean the owners ?) has no idea what it's doing and is going nowhere. In other words Lobo = donezo.
On February 24 2016 23:35 oneofthem wrote: peanut too good. all the rigorous skt training doesn't seem to be doing much except deterring talent from joining the team.
People said this last year when picaboo left and skt won worlds very easily so...
well i was probably the one saying that back then. they were still good enough to win but they would have been better with piccaboo in all likelihood.
as far as how skt recruits, it's kind of puzzling. it's not that they are not taking in amateurs, just pretty meh amateurs. tom for instance was recruited after the s5 ladder reset and after bengi sucked for a few games early in the season. tom made it to rank one briefly after the reset, but this is also when the ladder is least indicative. had they signed someone earlier they would have done much better.
their amateur signing process is pretty confusing and so far not very effective.
On February 25 2016 05:47 oneofthem wrote: well i was probably the one saying that back then. they were still good enough to win but they would have been better with piccaboo in all likelihood.
as far as how skt recruits, it's kind of puzzling. it's not that they are not taking in amateurs, just pretty meh amateurs. tom for instance was recruited after the s5 ladder reset and after bengi sucked for a few games early in the season. tom made it to rank one briefly after the reset, but this is also when the ladder is least indicative. had they signed someone earlier they would have done much better.
their amateur signing process is pretty confusing and so far not very effective.
Disagree. They are stuck in a sense. Faker is on the team, he is still very good, but probably has a limited window, so they are consistently in win-now mode. With the elimination of sister teams there is no way to develop talent reliably. I loved Peanut last year so I would have tried to get him, but that was nowhere near a consensus. Who is the great toplane talent they should have scouted to replace Marin?
Yes, they have missed fairly consistently on finding Bengi upgrades, I don't recall people thinking much of Crash when he was in the LSPL. So who knows. IMO it seems to me that much of the scene is not that dynamic in bringing in new talent that works well right now. Not just Korea. You have Immortals with their 100% retread roster winning in NA, EU found Perks, its not 2013 anymore it would seem.
they are not really in a win-now mode as in not having the patience to develop talent. esports in korea is basically all about throwing young people into the grinder.
my contention is that while they do sign young/new players, the ones they choose are not really the top prospects. i point to their overly rigid training schedule/load as a possible reason.
as far as actual players go, peanut is the most glaring one. looking at their jungler recruiting history, they seem to either have their own window of admitting applicants (in between seasons, the period of ladder reset when soloqueue is the least reliable indicator of talent), or when a player is shitting the bed but not before. it's an inflexible/reactionary approach that does seem to miss out some top prospects that do not follow their schedule of recruitment or the right image of a player. in regular sports terms they are kind of like the team that drafts the white college senior with high coachability.
my original complaint was not peanut though, it was most3, now known as rookie. this idea that they want win now players because of faker really falls apart in this case because at the time they were recruiting for skt s, not even on the same team as faker. they chose easyhoon rather than pursuing rookie. had they done so maybe rookie would not have taken the kt offer and faker can be the jungler or something.
given the prestige and compensation advantage of skt over other korean teams they really shouldn't be recruiting these mediocre talents. i attribute the failure to get the top prospects to a combination of weird management philosophy and inopportune/reactive timing.
There are plenty of young up-and-coming talents that we would never have cared much about if they were benchwarmers for SKT's world championship runs, but since they put up numbers on mediocre/garbage teams we hipster fanboy over them. Obviously SKT would love to develop some long-term talent but a young kid doesn't want to ensure the future of SKT T1, they want to ensure they get paid to play video games.
Super lame how that CJ Samsung match ended. CJ had things decently under control and then for whatever reason split up after taking the dragon. Samsung said thanks, killed the 2 guy that stayed alone and it was over.
On March 11 2016 19:23 nafta wrote: He is so fucking good on lulu though. I honestly have never seen a lulu that looks impressive except him and rookie.
Gotta agree with this. He may be OTP lulu, but he makes the champ look absolutely broken with how he controls it.
Faker on Lulu is fine. He still does top lvl DPM (and gets CS/Lvl leads) on Lulu. The problem this season is Wolf/whoever is jungling derping. Which makes Lulu look like a bad pick (sometimes) because Lulu can't anti-Derp a derp after its been finalized, she has to be there while the derp is happening to help out. Also it means his lane-dominant lulu style doesn't do as much because its hard to ppush in on a midlaner who got 400 free gold and has a fed-ish jungler.
strength of lulu is in these skirmishes and taking intiative on the map due to speed. i think it'd be a nice growth to faker's game if he would not be so lane dominant with lulu but instead playmake and create map pressure with lulu. the successful faker games on lulu are more invasive and aggressive
I expected ROX to win but that was pretty bad performance from SKT. Game 1 the only advantages they got were from Duke or Faker making a hero play, and they didn''t have a single good teamfight in both games Blank got outjungled pretty hard, even on Nidalee. Feels like he's forced into Bengi's role instead of his more aggressive soloQ style
it was closer than it needed to be but yes, I feel like iif someone told Ssumday what dragon 4 did when you have 5 dragons they coulda ended 20 min earlier.
On April 02 2016 17:56 Jindo wrote: whelp looks like Jayce will stay on my listofchampsfakercantplay.txt
Except one of his most famous spring breakout games was on Jayce. Skt just can't play mids without utility right now because they are lacking other players who know how to be utility.
On April 05 2016 15:01 heartlxp wrote: am i reading the standings right, KT vs SKT for auto round 3?
Well, unless T1 loses to SBENU Sonicboom or KT loses to Kongdoo Monster, it's basically a game for top-3. Not like either of them won't beat Jin Air/Samsung/Afreeca, but still.
On April 14 2016 05:43 The Final Boss wrote: Pretty sad way to see Afreeca go out like that. If JAG had played better I wouldn't be as bothered, but Afreeca just played so terribly...
Afreeca knocking Samsung out and then looking terrible in playoffs and being eliminated, I've seen this before.
Well, can't say I like the double TP meta that much, but at least it makes for some interesting early game plays.
I'd be in favor of reducing TP CD by 2 minute if you get a kill/assist within 20 secs, but increase CD by 30-60s. Less of a defensive summoner, more of a playmaking summoner.
On April 15 2016 22:19 Uldridge wrote: Funny how Faker is solocarrying now on TF :>
yeah because someone can't play badly then play well. People really do worship/fanboy faker too hard sometimes. You can't say anything against him. Players make mistakes
I wouldn't mind if the Tigers won - after getting shut down in three different finals by SKT, it would be sweet for them to win something. But I expect SKT to win despite looking weaker during the regular season - their playoff prep is just too effective.
On April 23 2016 20:22 GoSuChicken wrote: is nobody gonna talk about the no impact velkoz?
Lol, people think just because Faker doesn't necessarily do a flash "omg" play, he has no impact.
Just observe how much emphasis is put on Faker in team fights. Any fight where he isn't just about INSTANTLY killed, SKT1 wins. The sheer amount of damage done, respect forced, and ults/summs Faker forces every game is awe inspiring alone, even when he doesn't make a "things faker does" play.
On April 23 2016 20:22 GoSuChicken wrote: is nobody gonna talk about the no impact velkoz?
Lol, people think just because Faker doesn't necessarily do a flash "omg" play, he has no impact.
Just observe how much emphasis is put on Faker in team fights. Any fight where he isn't just about INSTANTLY killed, SKT1 wins. The sheer amount of damage done, respect forced, and ults/summs Faker forces every game is awe inspiring alone, even when he doesn't make a "things faker does" play.
in the end it got better, but honestly, I dont think that the velkoz pick was very good. I mean its still faker and there were a couple of nice ultis, but no important knockups or antyhing. I just think kuro kinda outperformed him in this game
I'll take a look at the post-match detailed statistics when they come out for damage to champions/seconds of cc dealt, but I don't think velkoz was the best for that teamcomp, plus he's so vulnerable and his AP scaling is garbo.
As for SKT winning fights where he isn't bursted, it could be a symptom rather than a cause of the teamfight win.
On April 23 2016 20:33 Flonomenalz wrote: Bang is using map hackz wtf.
SKT T1 are too CLUTCH.
On April 23 2016 20:22 GoSuChicken wrote: is nobody gonna talk about the no impact velkoz?
Lol, people think just because Faker doesn't necessarily do a flash "omg" play, he has no impact.
Just observe how much emphasis is put on Faker in team fights. Any fight where he isn't just about INSTANTLY killed, SKT1 wins. The sheer amount of damage done, respect forced, and ults/summs Faker forces every game is awe inspiring alone, even when he doesn't make a "things faker does" play.
in the end it got better, but honestly, I dont think that the velkoz pick was very good. I mean its still faker and there were a couple of nice ultis, but no important knockups or antyhing. I just think kuro kinda outperformed him in this game
No way Kuro outperformed him. At the critical moment Kuro all inned Faker, Faker escaped, outplayed, and led to his team winning the TF (when he survived with a sliver of health under tower).
why did monte and papa act the whole game like skt was getting outscaled or something? Rox cant win at this point unless faker or bang get instagibbed.
On April 23 2016 21:32 Olinim wrote: why did monte and papa act the whole game like skt was getting outscaled or something? Rox cant win at this point unless faker or bang get instagibbed.
Just annoying how they tried to force a nonsense narrative all game to try emphasize their expertise.
On April 23 2016 21:32 Olinim wrote: why did monte and papa act the whole game like skt was getting outscaled or something? Rox cant win at this point unless faker or bang get instagibbed.
Just annoying how they tried to force a nonsense narrative all game to try emphasize their expertise.
I wouldn't care if it was riot casters, but the thing is Monte always raves about how he tells it like it is. I mean I like monte but come on. SKT had cassio/ezreal scaling vs corki/liss...
thats why i hate kindred ult design, worst feeling in the world when i go in as a full hp tank on low hp enemy while she just ults a gets my 4k hp to 10% for free 0 skill involved
On April 23 2016 21:32 Olinim wrote: why did monte and papa act the whole game like skt was getting outscaled or something? Rox cant win at this point unless faker or bang get instagibbed.
Just annoying how they tried to force a nonsense narrative all game to try emphasize their expertise.
I have no idea how they turned SKT's lack of waveclear and pushing power into a storyline of them not being able to win when even/slightly ahead in gold, with a MUCH better engage/team fight comp.
The thing that still most impresses about SKT is thier closing. Even when they screw it up, like in the exposed Nexus game, its still impressive. No other team, even peak Samsung did the closing like this.
IMO still, the exemplary SKT play is when they steamrolled OMG in midlane to get like a 15 min inhib tower. 12 min inhibitor.
Oh yeah, Ever made it into LCK finally. I wonder if they'll actually do well, or if they're just bottom tier cannon fodder. Here's to a G2 Cinderella-esque story, although they'll never take first.
How good is Tempt? Is he a good replacement of Athena?
On April 29 2016 23:44 DarkCore wrote: Oh yeah, Ever made it into LCK finally. I wonder if they'll actually do well, or if they're just bottom tier cannon fodder. Here's to a G2 Cinderella-esque story, although they'll never take first.
How good is Tempt? Is he a good replacement of Athena?
On April 29 2016 19:52 Bladeorade wrote: Does anyone else think the english casters for this are godawful... "guess its team fighting time" "oh he is going in, oh wait no wait yes."
Just some examples but they dont sound excited and they say the dumbest shit
Yeah, Achilios was really cynical today. Usually he's better though.
On April 29 2016 19:52 Bladeorade wrote: Does anyone else think the english casters for this are godawful... "guess its team fighting time" "oh he is going in, oh wait no wait yes."
Just some examples but they dont sound excited and they say the dumbest shit
Yeah, Achilios was really cynical today. Usually he's better though.
He refers to mid lane as mid side so much in the Ever/SBENU series it made my brain hurt.
On April 29 2016 19:52 Bladeorade wrote: Does anyone else think the english casters for this are godawful... "guess its team fighting time" "oh he is going in, oh wait no wait yes."
Just some examples but they dont sound excited and they say the dumbest shit
Yeah, Achilios was really cynical today. Usually he's better though.
Idk who is who but they are both terrible. I've watched LCK a number of times and always thought they sounded like idiots.
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