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On October 18 2015 01:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:56 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:55 Azarkon wrote:On October 18 2015 01:52 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:49 Azarkon wrote:On October 18 2015 01:44 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:
For the record, I criticize Chinese Dota a lot but have never thought that they were a joke. When I brought up the issue with new talent in their scene back in 2013, I was responding to the idea that China was going to become the "Korean SC 2 of Dota 2." But even then I was trying to bring attention to a problem I see in their scene, rather than saying that the scene was terrible. And these days I have a lot more respect for China in Dota regardless of what I say at times, simply because they obviously don't have the player population to compete with the West, but are still posting decent results.
Chinese LoL, though... It's a joke how bad this scene is despite all the advantages and money. Ok this sentiment I find much more agreeable. Although I do think the level of league everywhere is kind of shit. Don't really know why teams feel so bad. Maybe just because we had SSW last year that looking at league this year feels hollow. At least we get CDEC. It's funny how Dota scene is getting new blood in it at a much faster rate then League scene is. Just all recycled pro players constantly instead of new players. LCS league format may be the reason. I think LoL has less new talent simply because of the import situation. Teams are currently investing in Korean/European imports rather than developing new players. Dota has a bunch of NA/EU hyrbid teams though. I guess they aren't quite the same as the import situation in league. That's also a bit funny. In Dota NA/EU hybrid teams have been around for years yet in League they rather isolated scenes. Dota doesn't have the official team situation in LCS where new teams only have one opportunity to qualify for "the money" every season. Second/third-tier teams in Dota are able to join a lot of tournaments and to play against top teams in official matches that way. The barrier of entry is a lot lower, therefore, for new teams in Dota than it is in LoL. Yea I get it. Do you think LCS kind of kills the potential in league? Sure it's good for building money and viewership but for the actual skill level doesn't it seem to do the opposite? EDG in trouble here. Kassa may be nice in lane but I just don't see the point of it in a comp. I think LCS, combined with the current policy of imports, kills new talent in league. I don't think it kills the scene because, obviously, viewership in LoL is actually > Dota across the board.
League has a lot more players though obviously it will have more viewers.
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On October 18 2015 01:58 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:54 stuchiu wrote:
I'm actually worried that LPL is gonna try to buyout Ziv now. Ziv doesn't even count as an import for LPL  How many teams and careers must LPL destroy before they are satisfied?
The answer is Real Madrid: destroy everything, take whatever results they can scrape.
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On October 18 2015 01:58 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:54 stuchiu wrote:
I'm actually worried that LPL is gonna try to buyout Ziv now. Ziv doesn't even count as an import for LPL How many teams and careers must LPL destroy before they are satisfied?
Don't know but let them keep going until LCS becomes better than LCK
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On October 18 2015 01:58 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:54 stuchiu wrote:
I'm actually worried that LPL is gonna try to buyout Ziv now. Ziv doesn't even count as an import for LPL How many teams and careers must LPL destroy before they are satisfied?
There are actually two paths.
1. Import LMS for the free, native spots
2. Wait for another year so Korean spots become native spots, then import more Koreans.
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On October 18 2015 01:58 DystopiaX wrote:
if edg have no idea what to do other than siege don't pick team c omps that can't siege lol
but they don't have jinx and people know to pick kench now.
So they just need to stall and wait for gragas to bug
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On October 18 2015 02:01 MuddyJam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:58 DystopiaX wrote:
if edg have no idea what to do other than siege don't pick team c omps that can't siege lol but they don't have jinx and people know to pick kench now. So they just need to stall and wait for gragas to bug
trist
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On October 18 2015 01:53 Azarkon wrote:
You asked for Koro1. You got Koro1. He is worse than AmazingJ. EDG was not sandbagging. Everyone was wrong about LPL.
What are you talking about? He seems even or better than Huni this series. AmazingJ was doing much worse.
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On October 18 2015 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
FEBIVEN HAS ARRIVED
azir into this comp is disgusting lol
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On October 18 2015 01:58 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:57 Azarkon wrote:On October 18 2015 01:56 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:55 Azarkon wrote:On October 18 2015 01:52 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:49 Azarkon wrote:On October 18 2015 01:44 Numy wrote:On October 18 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:
For the record, I criticize Chinese Dota a lot but have never thought that they were a joke. When I brought up the issue with new talent in their scene back in 2013, I was responding to the idea that China was going to become the "Korean SC 2 of Dota 2." But even then I was trying to bring attention to a problem I see in their scene, rather than saying that the scene was terrible. And these days I have a lot more respect for China in Dota regardless of what I say at times, simply because they obviously don't have the player population to compete with the West, but are still posting decent results.
Chinese LoL, though... It's a joke how bad this scene is despite all the advantages and money. Ok this sentiment I find much more agreeable. Although I do think the level of league everywhere is kind of shit. Don't really know why teams feel so bad. Maybe just because we had SSW last year that looking at league this year feels hollow. At least we get CDEC. It's funny how Dota scene is getting new blood in it at a much faster rate then League scene is. Just all recycled pro players constantly instead of new players. LCS league format may be the reason. I think LoL has less new talent simply because of the import situation. Teams are currently investing in Korean/European imports rather than developing new players. Dota has a bunch of NA/EU hyrbid teams though. I guess they aren't quite the same as the import situation in league. That's also a bit funny. In Dota NA/EU hybrid teams have been around for years yet in League they rather isolated scenes. Dota doesn't have the official team situation in LCS where new teams only have one opportunity to qualify for "the money" every season. Second/third-tier teams in Dota are able to join a lot of tournaments and to play against top teams in official matches that way. The barrier of entry is a lot lower, therefore, for new teams in Dota than it is in LoL. Yea I get it. Do you think LCS kind of kills the potential in league? Sure it's good for building money and viewership but for the actual skill level doesn't it seem to do the opposite? EDG in trouble here. Kassa may be nice in lane but I just don't see the point of it in a comp. I think LCS, combined with the current policy of imports, kills new talent in league. I don't think it kills the scene because, obviously, viewership in LoL is actually > Dota across the board. League has a lot more players though obviously it will have more viewers.
Yes, but Dota viewership is an even smaller % of its player base than LoL.
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Clearlove messed up bad. They had started well with killing Reksai, but nothing came of it.
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RO flashes into more enemies instead of towards his team
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Clearlove missplayed so bad lol. They had the 5v4 fight but then just suicided.
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On October 18 2015 02:02 FKAri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:53 Azarkon wrote:
You asked for Koro1. You got Koro1. He is worse than AmazingJ. EDG was not sandbagging. Everyone was wrong about LPL. What are you talking about? He seems even or better than Huni this series. AmazingJ was doing much worse.
AmazingJ was playing against Marin...
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terrible rotation from edg
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On October 18 2015 02:00 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:58 stuchiu wrote:On October 18 2015 01:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:54 stuchiu wrote:
I'm actually worried that LPL is gonna try to buyout Ziv now. Ziv doesn't even count as an import for LPL How many teams and careers must LPL destroy before they are satisfied? There are actually two paths. 1. Import LMS for the free, native spots 2. Wait for another year so Korean spots become native spots, then import more Koreans.
There is no option 2 outside of LCS iirc
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Fight recap: Huni doesn't really do all that much.
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On October 18 2015 01:55 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 01:52 MattBarry wrote:
Never thought I'd see the day where Riven becomes a meta top laner in pro play She's been a pick in Korea for like the last 3-6 months.
Yeah but I figured it was Ssumday and Smeb styling with a champ they like. Guess I just didn't expect her to show up at worlds for some reason
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On October 18 2015 02:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Fight recap: Huni doesn't really do all that much.
Clearlove does more, but he does as much for his team than for the enemy's.
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On October 18 2015 02:03 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 02:00 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:58 stuchiu wrote:On October 18 2015 01:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 18 2015 01:54 stuchiu wrote:
I'm actually worried that LPL is gonna try to buyout Ziv now. Ziv doesn't even count as an import for LPL How many teams and careers must LPL destroy before they are satisfied? There are actually two paths. 1. Import LMS for the free, native spots 2. Wait for another year so Korean spots become native spots, then import more Koreans. There is no option 2 outside of LCS iirc
I heard from an episode of (iirc) China Talk or Summoning Insight that LPL can. If you play for LPL for 2 years you can get more imports.
Someone probably should double check on this though. I could be wrong.
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