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On August 25 2015 17:34 Ysellian wrote:
Comparing regions is always silly because of the contrasting styles of play and overall strength of the region. LPL do look sloppy and so does Korea, but they look sloppy against very strong teams.
Top LPL teams do not look sloppy, and neither does SKT or KOO (even EDG in their losses did not look sloppy, they were simply outplayed on the map).
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On August 25 2015 17:56 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2015 17:34 Ysellian wrote:
Comparing regions is always silly because of the contrasting styles of play and overall strength of the region. LPL do look sloppy and so does Korea, but they look sloppy against very strong teams. Top LPL teams do not look sloppy, and neither does SKT or KOO (even EDG in their losses did not look sloppy, they were simply outplayed on the map).
We have to agree to disagree here, I don't think any team in the LPL or LCK have looked infallible.
btw I don't mean to say LPL or SKT don't look better than EU or NA, I'm just saying that the mistakes you see in LPL or SKT are mistakes you see because teams are playing against Imp and Faker etc. And there are mistakes honestly.
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Doesn't this happen every year. EU/NA fans talk about how the East doesn't look that strong. Then come worlds they get the shit beaten out of them by the East.
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I don't think anybody is saying the east doesn't look that strong, because they do. But from what I've seen from both LCK and LPL (which in the case of LPL is very little) teams don't look nearly as infallible as Samsung and SKT T1 K looked in their prime. Which isn't to say they won't curbstomp the EU/NA competition (which apart from Fnatic looked terrible comparatively).
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On August 25 2015 18:17 Numy wrote:
Doesn't this happen every year. EU/NA fans talk about how the East doesn't look that strong. Then come worlds they get the shit beaten out of them by the East.
I remember things quite differently. Last season before worlds many people were talking as if Western teams could not take a single game off Koreans. Like it was almost unimaginable. Some said Samsung teams would not even scrim LCS teams simply because they were too bad and it is just a waste of time for them.
Then at worlds LCS teams were actually able to win 1/3 of their games against the Koreans and did decent in scrims, which was a very positive surprise imo.
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On August 25 2015 21:13 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2015 18:17 Numy wrote:
Doesn't this happen every year. EU/NA fans talk about how the East doesn't look that strong. Then come worlds they get the shit beaten out of them by the East. I remember things quite differently. Last season before worlds many people were talking as if Western teams could not take a single game off Koreans. Like it was almost unimaginable. Some said Samsung teams would not even scrim LCS teams simply because they were too bad and it is just a waste of time for them. Then at worlds LCS teams were actually able to win 1/3 of their games against the Koreans and did decent in scrims, which was a very positive surprise imo.
That's about Korea, but against China, Western world for some reason was always sure that at least, they can go even. Then everything was getting murdered.
Gosh, even now LPL is called sloppy, therefore LCS can take them out.
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Yea sorry I should have been a bit more specific. KR has been revered for awhile now but rest of Asia always gets trashed when they really shouldn't. SEA got screwed for years due to GPL restrictions and even then did ok. CN made 2 finals in a row.
Anyway anyone want to discuss this gauntlet format? Feels like LCS got shafted again when I look at the LPL format. Sure they getting 2 teams instead of just 1 but even that to me seems better to me. The second best team in EU in both playoffs and regular season having to go through 3 Single Elim Bo5 to get to worlds feels so dam messed up.
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On August 26 2015 00:10 Numy wrote:
Yea sorry I should have been a bit more specific. KR has been revered for awhile now but rest of Asia always gets trashed when they really shouldn't. SEA got screwed for years due to GPL restrictions and even then did ok. CN made 2 finals in a row.
Anyway anyone want to discuss this gauntlet format? Feels like LCS got shafted again when I look at the LPL format. Sure they getting 2 teams instead of just 1 but even that to me seems better to me. The second best team in EU in both playoffs and regular season having to go through 3 Single Elim Bo5 to get to worlds feels so dam messed up.
Yeah China is the future of League just looking at numbers alone. I dont see a reason why the west should get closer, if anything China will increase the distance. The really interesting thing to see is if Korea can hold them off with their superior esports experience or if China's heavy investment and taking Koreas players already puts them ahead this year.
Regarding gauntlet format, I think it is ok. First of I am just glad that it exists at all. And with the points spring split at least has some meaning, even if you get less points in spring. And it was the OG guys' own decision to make a new challenger team so that they could not play spring split.
btw OG has to win 2 Bo5, first round is Roccat vs Giants.
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woah freeSM is already in Korea.
neat.
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You're clearly biased, Chinese teams can do no wrong
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It's not S3 anymore, game quality isn't defined by individual dumb plays. With enough games, those will happen everywhere. It's about macro and teamplay, which is a lot harder to judge over the very few international games that've happened.
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Well at some level of you can't keep your team from making individual dumb plays that matters. Certainly it lost that game and well that was less than two weeks ago. Since well, winning games is what matters. And that is an example of sloppy play I can't see how you can discount it off hand.
It is indeed not season 3 anymore; Korea and China no longer have analytical and coaching advantages (in that NA and European teams have coaches and analysts now!) except insomuch as maybe they're better. But that probably isn't true (locodoco excepted)
Edit: watching the end of that game again. They also fight for a dragon they easily could have let go into a team with baron buff. You can't argue that this is "good smart macro" play. Its sloppy
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People need to stop assuming that by saying Korea and China look sloppy that western teams are on par or even favored to take them out. The two do not correlate.
The fact is no one looks anywhere near the elite level teams of previous seasons while the west has one of the strongest teams it's ever seen. It should be fairly obvious that by extension the West is closer than it was last year.
SKT look good but can anyone honestly say they belong in the same tier as S3 SKT or the Samsung teams of 2014? The tier below them looks even weaker. Look at the recent Koo vs KT series. These are probably the second and third best teams in Korea at the moment. That series was sloppy as hell. Inability to respect teleport, terrible Baron calls, out of sync engagements. Straight up bad plays that would give us (rightly) a good lol if they happened in EU/NA. Monty is adamant that Fnatic would not be able to come back against a strong early game team like KT but we've watched Fnatic feast on crap play like that all split to win games.
I wouldn't call the West favoured but Korea is not the S tier region it used to be.
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I don't even like fnatic but the way they come back by exploiting even the smallest of errors, errors that most of the time I won't even notice until a replay, is frankly amazing. Even if I don't think that their competition is all that strong and didn't think they looked that good in the finals against origin.
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