[EU/NA LCS] Summer Split 2015 Winners - Page 281

On August 25 2015 02:48 Poopi wrote:
I don't think that TSM needs a roster change at all. (edit : at least until Worlds, if Dyrus retires they'll need one anyways)
They looked like shit in the regular season but they changed their style and improved enough to reach the final of the playoffs!
That's quite a feat, they probably wouldn't have beaten Gravity had they kept playing like in the regular season.
However, like another poster pointed out, they are in a transition phase towards this new style whereas CLG was in their comfort zone. They have room for improvement and with their bootcamp in Korea they will probably become stronger enough to put up a good showing at Worlds.

On August 24 2015 19:05 Poopi wrote:
The good thing about this final is that NA is confirmed worst major region.

On August 25 2015 03:06 Goumindong wrote:

As an aside, I think that the teams in the group stage are going to have a better chance than the teams out. Just because they will get actual experience against the potential meta.

On August 25 2015 03:35 Apex wrote:


Wait, aren't all the teams going to be in group stages though? There's no byes anymore if I remember correctly

On August 25 2015 03:10 Ansibled wrote:

Origin played worse than TSM too

Could you explain why you think this?

On August 25 2015 04:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
So can someone explain to me how TL gets to be "the team that really has potential if they fix a couple mistakes", while TSM "is a overrated team which needs to make major roster changes if they want to stay relevant"? I'll admit to being more of a TSM fan than a lot of TLer's (it's not hard to be), but to me that seems like quite a double standard.

On August 25 2015 03:05 Kenpark wrote:


Well they played Gravity who are pretty shit except Move and TiP, who just lost their star midlaner. Not really a feat if your goal is to at least get out of groups at worlds.
This whole transition thing is bullshit. You either have the versatile, mechanical strong players that can learn meta champs fast and allow you to play different styles or you dont. Come Worlds this heavy top playmaking meta might already be gone. You need to adapt fast and players like Dyrus cant do that on a high level.

TSM rooster just wasnt suited for the current meta, thats why they were weak during season and in playoffs as well.

On August 25 2015 04:03 DarkCore wrote:


Yes looks like it is. That's good because last year (or was it the year before?) it meant we only got to see 3 games from some teams, when they got kicked out by the group teams.

ALso, I don't think the original comment holds: I expect pros and their analysts are good enough to watch group stage games and determine what the meta is. They have enough experience to be able to understand something just by watching it, not only by playing it on stage.

On August 25 2015 05:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:



Because Fenix is All-Pro #1 mid and Peter is coach of the split, that's it.

On August 25 2015 06:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


Don't think that Zikz is very disappointed in not even being top-4 <:

Also, try to not double post, thanks.

On August 25 2015 03:06 Goumindong wrote:

I think that CLG played the finals much cleaner than fnatic. And Origin played worse than TSM too. Not sure about LPL but if you've been watching they've all been super sloppy.

That being said worlds is a crapshoot. With all the meta changes and no major tournament might as well roll the dice on who will win worlds.

As an aside, I think that the teams in the group stage are going to have a better chance than the teams out. Just because they will get actual experience against the potential meta.

On August 25 2015 04:14 Goumindong wrote:


Origin did not play the map well and generally relied on Fnatic's lack of a composition in order to win the games they won. They made team wide mid game positional mistakes more often (ceding the the wrong side of the map, giving up free objectives when they had control and simply had to sit while having better vision and positioning). Largely Origin's pick/ban was terrible if not for Fnatic's being worse.

TSM was very passive, but TSM is always very passive and that is OK so long as you're reacting well. Which they tend to do. TSM didn't give up objectives for free when they could contest etc. Their problems were most related to the fact that their pick/ban was terrible. Would it be nice to see them being more active? Yes. But i 100% think they could have taken a game or two if they didn't pick ban like idiots.

I feel like Pick/Ban problems are more easily solved than teamplay issues; especially when we're coming into a new meta for worlds where no one knows whats up. And because of this i think TSM played better than origin.

CLG just played really well. They pick/banned well, they team fought well, they rotated well, and they had a cohesive idea of what they were doing and why they were doing it.