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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
April 18 2015 23:22 GMT
#4621
Kass is the luckiest champ in the game. Every time he goes out of the meta, the meta shifts or Kass gets reworked until Kass is good again.
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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
April 18 2015 23:23 GMT
#4622
Can Piglet play a champ that isn't Vayne? I mean, it's a pick when you want to styte on the enemy. It's not really a serious pick is it?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 18 2015 23:23 GMT
#4623
On April 19 2015 08:21 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Shikyo wrote:
XWX is just amazing. I love watching Impulse almost solely due to how good XWX is. Definitely #2 mid in NA and in my opinion can even challenge Bjergsen in some aspects(and the rest of his team isn't as solid).

Yeah... no. Think we all saw what bjergsen did to him this split.



Well he said in some aspects and tbh I think XWX's can lane perfectly fine against Burgerking. Bjergsen definitely trumps in all aspects of teamfighting though.

Also I thought didn't XWX do pretty alright against Bjergsen this split except for those last three roflmao games from playoffs?

Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:18 snow2.0 wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:16 cLutZ wrote:

Honestly, though, I just dont understand Vayne picks in this meta unless you know the enemy is not picking any of: Kog, Corki, or Jinx (and probably others I'm not thinking right now). Vayne is just not a great champion IMO. Even the Twitch was better.

Yea. I havn't seen vayne win any games, and i watch a lot of qtpie stream. She needs to get to lategame, and then she still has an incredibly hard time to just stay alive with double tanks just sitting on her face.

I've only seen her win off her teams back.



Wuxin had a pretty beast Vayne. But those series yeah ...


He picked Yasuo first time into Ahri and got trashed by Bjergsen, next time Bjergsen instalocked LeBlanc into Kassadin and it was stupid game.

Wuxin is stupid, both King wins weren't on back of Vayne.

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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 18 2015 23:23 GMT
#4624
For piglet it probably is
Glorious SEA doto
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 18 2015 23:23 GMT
#4625
On April 19 2015 08:21 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:15 Kinie wrote:
IWD needs to be on a tankier jungler. I know Sejuani was banned, but he needs to get onto Gragas, or play Zac, or Nunu. This Rek'sai isn't good enough.

Also, TL needs to work on it's pick/ban a bit more. Piglet needs to get off Vayne/Twitch and get onto something like Lucian, I think you have to drop the Ori ban for Kassadin. Late game Ori is managable, late game Kass isn't.

Reksai is fine.

A lot of it isn't the comps it's how they're played out. When the game just started almost everyone was saying they thought the TL comp was fine, its not suddenly bad because they lost.

The Reksai pick isn't working. When Gragas gets lots of a early game work done (and sets up a Kassawin) and Reksai isn't, you know the pick isn't working for you.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 18 2015 23:23 GMT
#4626
On April 19 2015 08:23 Sonnington wrote:
Can Piglet play a champ that isn't Vayne? I mean, it's a pick when you want to styte on the enemy. It's not really a serious pick is it?


His Lucian is much better. I have no idea why TL isn't picking it but I think it's way too late now =\.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 18 2015 23:24 GMT
#4627
On April 19 2015 08:23 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:21 KissBlade wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Shikyo wrote:
XWX is just amazing. I love watching Impulse almost solely due to how good XWX is. Definitely #2 mid in NA and in my opinion can even challenge Bjergsen in some aspects(and the rest of his team isn't as solid).

Yeah... no. Think we all saw what bjergsen did to him this split.



Well he said in some aspects and tbh I think XWX's can lane perfectly fine against Burgerking. Bjergsen definitely trumps in all aspects of teamfighting though.

Also I thought didn't XWX do pretty alright against Bjergsen this split except for those last three roflmao games from playoffs?

On April 19 2015 08:18 snow2.0 wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:16 cLutZ wrote:

Honestly, though, I just dont understand Vayne picks in this meta unless you know the enemy is not picking any of: Kog, Corki, or Jinx (and probably others I'm not thinking right now). Vayne is just not a great champion IMO. Even the Twitch was better.

Yea. I havn't seen vayne win any games, and i watch a lot of qtpie stream. She needs to get to lategame, and then she still has an incredibly hard time to just stay alive with double tanks just sitting on her face.

I've only seen her win off her teams back.



Wuxin had a pretty beast Vayne. But those series yeah ...


He picked Yasuo first time into Ahri and got trashed by Bjergsen, next time Bjergsen instalocked LeBlanc into Kassadin and it was stupid game.

Wuxin is stupid, both King wins weren't on back of Vayne.



Something we can all agree on, I think.
Freeeeeeedom
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 23:26:55
April 18 2015 23:24 GMT
#4628
On April 19 2015 08:21 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:15 Kinie wrote:
IWD needs to be on a tankier jungler. I know Sejuani was banned, but he needs to get onto Gragas, or play Zac, or Nunu. This Rek'sai isn't good enough.

Also, TL needs to work on it's pick/ban a bit more. Piglet needs to get off Vayne/Twitch and get onto something like Lucian, I think you have to drop the Ori ban for Kassadin. Late game Ori is managable, late game Kass isn't.

Reksai is fine.

A lot of it isn't the comps it's how they're played out. When the game just started almost everyone was saying they thought the TL comp was fine, its not suddenly bad because they lost.


The reason why I want IWD off Rek'Sai is because she doesn't scale as well with HP compared to the other tankier junglers (Sej has %HP damage, Zac has a lot of stickiness to enemy back line, Nunu provides a giant wall/choke area + Blood boil for adc). Rek'Sai has a knockup (that lasts 1s), mobility in early game with her ult. That's it. She has almost no positive teamfight interactions, which is what this series is boiling down to.

Edit:

Have we seen IWD play Gragas at all once he became a fotm jungler? I want to say no, which just seems insane as it is a tanky jungler with good teamfight interactions, and we know IWD loves to be on tanky junglers with good teamfight interactions.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 23:26:46
April 18 2015 23:24 GMT
#4629
wxw's farming comes at a price. he doesn't roam basically at all and jungler will lose some farm. but since rush is pretty much no farm always fight it kind of works. apollo probably can't carry harder than xwx either so might as well give xwx more creeps
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 23:26:49
April 18 2015 23:25 GMT
#4630
On April 19 2015 08:23 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:21 KissBlade wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Shikyo wrote:
XWX is just amazing. I love watching Impulse almost solely due to how good XWX is. Definitely #2 mid in NA and in my opinion can even challenge Bjergsen in some aspects(and the rest of his team isn't as solid).

Yeah... no. Think we all saw what bjergsen did to him this split.



Well he said in some aspects and tbh I think XWX's can lane perfectly fine against Burgerking. Bjergsen definitely trumps in all aspects of teamfighting though.

Also I thought didn't XWX do pretty alright against Bjergsen this split except for those last three roflmao games from playoffs?

On April 19 2015 08:18 snow2.0 wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:16 cLutZ wrote:

Honestly, though, I just dont understand Vayne picks in this meta unless you know the enemy is not picking any of: Kog, Corki, or Jinx (and probably others I'm not thinking right now). Vayne is just not a great champion IMO. Even the Twitch was better.

Yea. I havn't seen vayne win any games, and i watch a lot of qtpie stream. She needs to get to lategame, and then she still has an incredibly hard time to just stay alive with double tanks just sitting on her face.

I've only seen her win off her teams back.



Wuxin had a pretty beast Vayne. But those series yeah ...


He picked Yasuo first time into Ahri and got trashed by Bjergsen, next time Bjergsen instalocked LeBlanc into Kassadin and it was stupid game.

Wuxin is stupid, both King wins weren't on back of Vayne.



Well Yasuo is a ... pick that should not be evaluated XD.

But Kassadin vs LB is a skill matchup isn't it? And XWX did pretty well that game tbh. I mean, XWX's laning phase was never his issue.

And I was only pointing out an instance where Vayne won a game XD not one where I agree with her pick. And I think Wuxin is pretty good!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 18 2015 23:26 GMT
#4631
I am predicting a Kassadin ban but TL giving XWX some of his premier champions anyway, which leads into XWX carrying. I really would love to see a game 5 instead, though.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 18 2015 23:26 GMT
#4632
Kassdin vs leblanc is pretty free for a kassadin unless leblanc makes a massive outplay or kass screws the pooch. More likely the latter
Glorious SEA doto
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
April 18 2015 23:27 GMT
#4633
Ok, fingers crossed, maybe TL can pick a team that doesn't require all lanes to get lategame AND has at least one champ with waveclear.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
April 18 2015 23:27 GMT
#4634
On April 19 2015 08:25 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:23 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:21 KissBlade wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:18 Shikyo wrote:
XWX is just amazing. I love watching Impulse almost solely due to how good XWX is. Definitely #2 mid in NA and in my opinion can even challenge Bjergsen in some aspects(and the rest of his team isn't as solid).

Yeah... no. Think we all saw what bjergsen did to him this split.



Well he said in some aspects and tbh I think XWX's can lane perfectly fine against Burgerking. Bjergsen definitely trumps in all aspects of teamfighting though.

Also I thought didn't XWX do pretty alright against Bjergsen this split except for those last three roflmao games from playoffs?

On April 19 2015 08:18 snow2.0 wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:16 cLutZ wrote:

Honestly, though, I just dont understand Vayne picks in this meta unless you know the enemy is not picking any of: Kog, Corki, or Jinx (and probably others I'm not thinking right now). Vayne is just not a great champion IMO. Even the Twitch was better.

Yea. I havn't seen vayne win any games, and i watch a lot of qtpie stream. She needs to get to lategame, and then she still has an incredibly hard time to just stay alive with double tanks just sitting on her face.

I've only seen her win off her teams back.



Wuxin had a pretty beast Vayne. But those series yeah ...


He picked Yasuo first time into Ahri and got trashed by Bjergsen, next time Bjergsen instalocked LeBlanc into Kassadin and it was stupid game.

Wuxin is stupid, both King wins weren't on back of Vayne.



Well Yasuo is a ... pick that should not be evaluated XD.

But Kassadin vs LB is a skill matchup isn't it? And XWX did pretty well that game tbh. I mean, XWX's laning phase was never his issue.

And I was only pointing out an instance where Vayne won a game XD not one where I agree with her pick. And I think Wuxin is pretty good!


LeBlanc into Kassadin is suicide unless you're way better player than Kassadin.
I mean, Wuxin is good, of course, but it doesn't make him less stupid. Gotta rename back to noheart and unlock potential.
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 18 2015 23:28 GMT
#4635
On April 19 2015 08:23 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 08:21 DystopiaX wrote:
On April 19 2015 08:15 Kinie wrote:
IWD needs to be on a tankier jungler. I know Sejuani was banned, but he needs to get onto Gragas, or play Zac, or Nunu. This Rek'sai isn't good enough.

Also, TL needs to work on it's pick/ban a bit more. Piglet needs to get off Vayne/Twitch and get onto something like Lucian, I think you have to drop the Ori ban for Kassadin. Late game Ori is managable, late game Kass isn't.

Reksai is fine.

A lot of it isn't the comps it's how they're played out. When the game just started almost everyone was saying they thought the TL comp was fine, its not suddenly bad because they lost.

The Reksai pick isn't working. When Gragas gets lots of a early game work done (and sets up a Kassawin) and Reksai isn't, you know the pick isn't working for you.

Reksai in general is fine, Rek isn't into Grag cause Grag has the most early pressure out of all the cinderhulk junglers. I was saying earlier you drop the Lee Sin ban for a Hec/Gragas ban
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
April 18 2015 23:29 GMT
#4636
Personally I want to see TL ban Kass, Gragas, and Hecarim. First pick Sejuani if she's up, otherwise grab Shyvana.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
April 18 2015 23:29 GMT
#4637
On April 19 2015 08:25 KissBlade wrote:
And I was only pointing out an instance where Vayne won a game XD not one where I agree with her pick. And I think Wuxin is pretty good!

I meant vayne doing the winning, not vayne being on the team winning a game
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 23:29:56
April 18 2015 23:29 GMT
#4638
On April 19 2015 08:26 Fusilero wrote:
Kassdin vs leblanc is pretty free for a kassadin unless leblanc makes a massive outplay or kass screws the pooch. More likely the latter


I thought LB vs Kass is alright pre 6 because she gets super easy gank assistance?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 18 2015 23:30 GMT
#4639
Cone on liquid!
Never Knows Best.
Marmy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Iran1697 Posts
April 18 2015 23:32 GMT
#4640
On April 19 2015 08:30 Slaughter wrote:
Cone on liquid!

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