This embir butthurt is glorious. I'm sure yellowstar is like 'wuts our manager doing up here holding this trophy and shit? This fucker thinks he actually did shit?'

Embir

Poland567 Posts

April 19 2015 20:05 GMT

#3003

On April 20 2015 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
This embir butthurt is glorious. I'm sure yellowstar is like 'wuts our manager doing up here holding this trophy and shit? This fucker thinks he actually did shit?'

Lol. Dude, I am as far from butthurt as it possibly can be - but reaction I get at my post from some users at this forum suggests there are a lot of other butthurt guys here.

Nos-

Canada12016 Posts

April 19 2015 20:07 GMT

#3004

le master troll

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

April 19 2015 20:10 GMT

#3005

Maybe it's me but I actually thought the EU LCS has been more entertaining this split than NA. Games were a lot closer and more fun to watch and some of the fresh blood really livened up the scene. In NA, there was only TL that I cared about and then TiP once they got Impact on board.

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

April 19 2015 20:30 GMT

#3006

For what it's worth the semis, final and 3rd place were all 5-game series. Feels to me like the top of the region is pretty close. Personally I think Fnatic and H2K are closer to their prime whereas there's a lot of room for improvement on both SK and UoL. Although UoL can easily stagnate and SK collapse with weird roster changes.

Megabuster123

Canada1837 Posts

April 19 2015 21:04 GMT

#3007

Now that's some fucking league of legends. EU LCS made me forget what actual league looked like.

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

April 20 2015 07:34 GMT

#3008

On April 20 2015 05:30 AlterKot wrote:
For what it's worth the semis, final and 3rd place were all 5-game series. Feels to me like the top of the region is pretty close. Personally I think Fnatic and H2K are closer to their prime whereas there's a lot of room for improvement on both SK and UoL. Although UoL can easily stagnate and SK collapse with weird roster changes.

That's an odd thing to say... Aren't fnatic, h2k and uol all mostly rookies? I feel only sk peaked especially given Fox and nrated.

Gahlo

United States35159 Posts

April 20 2015 10:15 GMT

#3009

On April 20 2015 16:34 KissBlade wrote:

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That's an odd thing to say... Aren't fnatic, h2k and uol all mostly rookies? I feel only sk peaked especially given Fox and nrated.

Loulex subbed for Gambit in S4, but outside of him and Ryu I don't see pro play in their history before this year.

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

April 20 2015 10:54 GMT

#3010

Rookies in LCS, yes. But H2K is: a legendary korean midlaner, top and adc established as strong talents in challenger scene and a support who's been around for ages - I would only consider Loulex a relative rookie who noone expected to be as good as he his. Moreover they are strategically versatile and just don't seem to have a clear weakness. Sure, they can improve overall, but there's no big problem that you can fix with a roster or coaching change that would suddenly make them twice as good.

Fnatic. Again - Febiven was an established talent who lived up to his expectations, Huni is so good that I don't really see how he could get much better, Yellowstar and Reignover are far from rookies and while I think Steelback's not very good and could use a replacement, I doubt it would change much seeing what the style of Fnatic is. They are a bit one-dimensional, but I don't think those players could be as versatile as H2K and it's not really necessary seeing how they are at the top.

We agree that UoL are rookies (altough it's worth mentioning that Kikis is a veteran). There's a lot of talent that could become great with better cohesion and consistency and an ADC who isn't Diamond 5.

SK had their worst season in long time because Fredy is now bad, Fox and Sven are inconsistent and nRated was always bad. They need to retain Forgiven, get a better support and 3 players need to step up their game. Showing results without relying on 1-3-1, Forgiven getting Graves/Lucian/Cait and Sven getting a strong early game jungler would also help.

orzeu

Poland5205 Posts

April 20 2015 14:34 GMT

#3011

Problem with Fnatic is that they are the same team that started split. If you watch right now their first game and finals you wouldn't see any difference in strategic approach to the game. Maybe individually players like Huni/Febiven didn't hit their peak, but as a team right now I don't think they can improve drastically without changing adc. Still hard to say since they never went on losing streak, so they weren't force to change their style.

H2K is fine, they just need to adjust, example: why Odoamne didn't play carries until 3rd place match? Loulex still need more experience, he did a lot of random shit in playoffs.

UoL need either smart adc that will help with their in game decision making or someone, like Freeze and another person in coaching stuff that will balance their strategy. They don't need to play random shit every game, they can win with standart play.

SK need new coaching stuff, their didn't improve at all and had same problem whole season. Seems like players have too much power. Then either they force Forgiven to play meta stuff and get him support he wants or rebuild completely. Knowing that Forgiven wants to go to NA I would go for korean botlane: Ignar/Zero and some adc and Zoro or korean top/support and EU adc, but this will never happen with Innerflame as a coach.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

April 20 2015 14:37 GMT

#3012

On April 20 2015 19:54 AlterKot wrote:
Rookies in LCS, yes. But H2K is: a legendary korean midlaner, top and adc established as strong talents in challenger scene and a support who's been around for ages - I would only consider Loulex a relative rookie who noone expected to be as good as he his. Moreover they are strategically versatile and just don't seem to have a clear weakness. Sure, they can improve overall, but there's no big problem that you can fix with a roster or coaching change that would suddenly make them twice as good.

Fnatic. Again - Febiven was an established talent who lived up to his expectations, Huni is so good that I don't really see how he could get much better, Yellowstar and Reignover are far from rookies and while I think Steelback's not very good and could use a replacement, I doubt it would change much seeing what the style of Fnatic is. They are a bit one-dimensional, but I don't think those players could be as versatile as H2K and it's not really necessary seeing how they are at the top.

We agree that UoL are rookies (altough it's worth mentioning that Kikis is a veteran). There's a lot of talent that could become great with better cohesion and consistency and an ADC who isn't Diamond 5.

SK had their worst season in long time because Fredy is now bad, Fox and Sven are inconsistent and nRated was always bad. They need to retain Forgiven, get a better support and 3 players need to step up their game. Showing results without relying on 1-3-1, Forgiven getting Graves/Lucian/Cait and Sven getting a strong early game jungler would also help.

To be fair, "strong talents in the challenger scene" is exactly what most people consider "rookies" when talking about LCS/major leagues.

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

April 20 2015 14:44 GMT

#3013

My original point was that I think Fnatic and H2K are "complete" teams, near their peak and without much room for improvement (barring stuff like "right meta", player suddenly becoming superstars, recruiting some great revolutionary analysist etc). In that case the term "rookie" implies that we can't judge the players' consistency yet, whereas I think we've seen enough of the players in the past to know how their highs and how their lows look.

Orzeu brings a fair point to H2K's playoff performance, but even if Odoamne played "carry" tops and loulex did less dumb shit I would still say that top4 teams are very close and if we played playoffs between those 4 every 2 weeks, we would have a different result every time.