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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21689 Posts
September 11 2014 16:20 GMT
#1681
On September 12 2014 01:07 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2014 00:43 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 12 2014 00:21 Swords wrote:
On September 11 2014 21:46 Fusilero wrote:
In the defence of the challenger scene col looked like garbage vs a coast where one of their two good players had lost all will to live and zion in spite of westrice's best efforts couldn't 1v9. A split in LCS improved them miles and I wouldn't be surprised if h2k for example got so much better after a split



This is why I like adding 2 more teams with the expansion. Even if these teams can't compete at first you'll have 10 new players getting a ton of experience against good teams and players.

Instead of saying "lolololol Velocity 2.0" I think it's good to embrace the expansion teams as a chance to improve EU and NA.

We've seen this on a micro level. If players only got one shot to perform in the LCS we wouldn't have Pobelter or Aphromoo. If we add more teams you have more players learning how they need to play to compete at an LCS level, even if it means there's a split (or even two splits) where they get shit on.

This happens in professional sports too. Sometimes teams end up in a rebuilding phase where they bring in a lot of young players. These teams get crushed, sometimes even for a few years, but if they develop their players properly they eventually have a strong core of guys who are really strong. Then once you get this core you can look at signing some free agents to fill out the roster where you have weaknesses.

Obviously in the LCS there's only 10 teams and your team can get demoted and dissolved after a split, so teams can't afford to prolong that process. But, in my opinion, anything that adds to stability is good because you'll have the opportunity to develop players more instead of panic signing Koreans, etc.

I would accept this as a good thing if not for the fact that the vast majority of teams currently in the LCS have no reason to practice and improve and will have even less reason to do so with the extension when they can sit on their ass as a punching bag for the top 2/3 teams and collect their free Riot money.


I also don't see the point of the challenger league then. LCS shouldn't be used to develop teams, that's what the challenger league is for. Perhaps make a way so that challenger teams can face LCS teams every once in a while.

NLB is so much better for the purpose as opposed to LCS. But Riot is to addicted to their Major league addiction to adopt it.

Turn LCS into group + bracket play to add actual weight to individual matches and build better storylines. Losers go to Challenger and compete in the bracket there.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
September 11 2014 16:36 GMT
#1682
Inb4 dandy and mata retire when they face tsm.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
September 11 2014 17:10 GMT
#1683
hoping for unicorns to win xD
Science>Mechanics
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
September 11 2014 17:17 GMT
#1684
What was that second ban by M? I didn't recognise the splash.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 11 2014 17:18 GMT
#1685
Didn't see but if you say you couldn't recognise the splash it should be new Orianna splash ;3
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 11 2014 17:20 GMT
#1686
On September 12 2014 02:17 Mikau wrote:
What was that second ban by M? I didn't recognise the splash.

Probably Orianna then. Her new splash may be prettier, but readability took a nosedive.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-11 17:30:29
September 11 2014 17:30 GMT
#1687
nice fight
Science>Mechanics
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 11 2014 17:37 GMT
#1688
Who is winning right now?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 11 2014 17:38 GMT
#1689
Millenium 6-4, and like 2k gold lead.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 11 2014 17:40 GMT
#1690
First game?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
September 11 2014 17:40 GMT
#1691
yes
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 11 2014 17:41 GMT
#1692
Ty
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 11 2014 17:42 GMT
#1693
Rnjesus smiles upon you today creaton
Glorious SEA doto
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
September 11 2014 17:43 GMT
#1694
hmmmm unicorns have some nice teamfights
Science>Mechanics
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
September 11 2014 17:43 GMT
#1695
millenium looks like shit, their teamfighting is really off.
ManBaker
Profile Joined September 2013
1943 Posts
September 11 2014 17:47 GMT
#1696
Mill you dumb shits why did you have to go and pick UoL

739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 11 2014 17:50 GMT
#1697
They still gonna win the first game, so no problem. I hope UoL can pull some upset here.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 11 2014 17:58 GMT
#1698
I honestly think Unicorns can still take this

wait nevermind Fizz lol
It's your boy Guzma!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 11 2014 17:58 GMT
#1699
Gilius W'd to vardags with the shark on him >_<
Glorious SEA doto
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 11 2014 17:58 GMT
#1700
wtf UoL, that was bad.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
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