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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 16 2014 15:25 GMT
#1381
On August 17 2014 00:23 AlterKot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 00:22 Owned Noob wrote:
kakao and kta definitely deserved this championship, but i cant help but feel that white woulda beat them pretty handily. imp and mata would dumpster arrow into oblivion and dandy is way better at applying early pressure than spirit is. however, it was really impressive to see a team beat blue at the later phases of the game. really, really good stuff

I also hold Looper in higher regards than Acorn. I'm not sure if Imp/Mata are that much better than Deft/Heart though.

They are the agressive balls to the wall type while deft/heart are the farm until end of the world type.Definitely much harder to play against from what we've seen this season.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 16 2014 15:26 GMT
#1382
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 16 2014 15:27 GMT
#1383
On August 17 2014 00:26 AsnSensation wrote:
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!


well ryu and mafa are in the retirement home now. i just wish kakao could laugh in their faces huehue
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 16 2014 15:27 GMT
#1384
Difficult to watch EU LCS 3rd place after this series QQ
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 16 2014 15:30 GMT
#1385
Btw this season also makes kakao the first MVP that wasn't a mid laner since maknoon
Glorious SEA doto
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
August 16 2014 15:31 GMT
#1386
On August 17 2014 00:27 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 00:26 AsnSensation wrote:
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!


well ryu and mafa are in the retirement home now. i just wish kakao could laugh in their faces huehue

Damn, totally forgot about that drama. Well I always knew Most 3 aka Rookie would do well, been following him since his solo q ahri days, and when he came on Nicegametv's Secret Lesson I knew he would be a great mid.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 15:34:24
August 16 2014 15:33 GMT
#1387
SKT K will rise again bitches. World Championships hype.

On August 17 2014 00:31 UnKooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 00:27 bokchoi wrote:
On August 17 2014 00:26 AsnSensation wrote:
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!


well ryu and mafa are in the retirement home now. i just wish kakao could laugh in their faces huehue

Damn, totally forgot about that drama. Well I always knew Most 3 aka Rookie would do well, been following him since his solo q ahri days, and when he came on Nicegametv's Secret Lesson I knew he would be a great mid.


ye and faker hyped him up by saying he and baeme were the two mids he wanted to play against in a tournament setting
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
August 16 2014 17:11 GMT
#1388
Called in sick from work today. worth. will watch the rebroadcast again.
Woo Jung Ho
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 23:30:06
August 16 2014 23:28 GMT
#1389
I think the reason arrow always falls so behind in cs is because he always, always groups early and swings the early skirmishes in kta's favor. Kakao's aggressive playstyle really enables alot of the team's individual strengths early game, and by creating favorable opportunities early on, arrow gets gold through kills and objectives, which covers for his really shitty laning phase. Even if he might get a lot of flack for falling behind 100+ cs, his playstyle really complements kakao's and their ability to coordinate early is key to kta's early game dominance.
jaedong the man with the huge dong
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
August 17 2014 00:10 GMT
#1390
can someone explain to me why corki was picked over trist? corki went 1-3 this final. I especially dont understand the pick in blind mode
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 17 2014 00:48 GMT
#1391
On August 17 2014 09:10 Djin)ftw( wrote:
can someone explain to me why corki was picked over trist? corki went 1-3 this final. I especially dont understand the pick in blind mode

corki is way better in lane than trist and bullies hard with a fast triforce+sorcs which theoretically takes advantage of kog's power curves
Bronze player stuck in platinum
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
August 17 2014 04:42 GMT
#1392
On August 17 2014 08:28 Owned Noob wrote:
I think the reason arrow always falls so behind in cs is because he always, always groups early and swings the early skirmishes in kta's favor. Kakao's aggressive playstyle really enables alot of the team's individual strengths early game, and by creating favorable opportunities early on, arrow gets gold through kills and objectives, which covers for his really shitty laning phase. Even if he might get a lot of flack for falling behind 100+ cs, his playstyle really complements kakao's and their ability to coordinate early is key to kta's early game dominance.

That's only a part of it. Arrow is just completely outclassed at this level though. In favourable match-ups, he ended up losing by 10-20 cs by 15min or so (sometimes with Heart roaming too), while in unfavourable match-ups, he would be 30-40s down by 15min or so. In the last game, he was roaming so there was a greater difference, but it was obvious that Arrow was the inferior ADC in laning, in teamfights (he would usually misposition, and even when he didn't, he had much less damage output than Deft even though Deft was always the dive target for KTA), and even in the macro game, he was worse than Deft.

I was rooting hard for KTA, but Arrow/Hachani would get wrecked at worlds vs Deft/Heart, Imp/Mata, Namei/fzzf and Uzi/Zero in terms of laning and teamfight presence.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 17 2014 04:48 GMT
#1393
Arrow also said in the post series interview that he has trouble keeping a strong mental condition when laning against players he knows are better than him. He attributed a councilor for helping him with it, but I doubt he's really over it or he wouldn't have mentioned it.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
August 17 2014 06:45 GMT
#1394
Welp time to see how badly Blue stomped KTA and wait what? HAHAHA GET WRECKED SAMSUNG

Holy shit KTA actually did it. Time to watch some vods
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
August 17 2014 07:14 GMT
#1395
On August 17 2014 13:42 1ntrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 08:28 Owned Noob wrote:
I think the reason arrow always falls so behind in cs is because he always, always groups early and swings the early skirmishes in kta's favor. Kakao's aggressive playstyle really enables alot of the team's individual strengths early game, and by creating favorable opportunities early on, arrow gets gold through kills and objectives, which covers for his really shitty laning phase. Even if he might get a lot of flack for falling behind 100+ cs, his playstyle really complements kakao's and their ability to coordinate early is key to kta's early game dominance.

That's only a part of it. Arrow is just completely outclassed at this level though. In favourable match-ups, he ended up losing by 10-20 cs by 15min or so (sometimes with Heart roaming too), while in unfavourable match-ups, he would be 30-40s down by 15min or so. In the last game, he was roaming so there was a greater difference, but it was obvious that Arrow was the inferior ADC in laning, in teamfights (he would usually misposition, and even when he didn't, he had much less damage output than Deft even though Deft was always the dive target for KTA), and even in the macro game, he was worse than Deft.

I was rooting hard for KTA, but Arrow/Hachani would get wrecked at worlds vs Deft/Heart, Imp/Mata, Namei/fzzf and Uzi/Zero in terms of laning and teamfight presence.

What i'm saying is that Arrow, in the system that kta is running, has managed to circumvent his biggest weakness (really, really bad laning) by grouping up early in order to make aggressive early plays with Kakao. Arrow grouping is key to KTA's early playmaking potential, as they often win the skirmishes simply by having more people there. In terms of teamfighting, I'd say that Deft and Arrow each played better in the games that their team won. What really impressed me about Arrow is that he managed to approach his biggest weakness in a way that complements the way his team's playstyle. Instead of trying to fix something he naturally wasn't good at, Arrow opts to avoid the issue entirely and chooses to get his gold through grouping and pressuring early. Because he groups early, KTA has a much better chance at winning early battles and securing objectives. I'll admit I though he was shit before too, but he's adapted his play to fit his team's needs beautifully.
jaedong the man with the huge dong
GozoShioda
Profile Joined October 2013
205 Posts
August 17 2014 07:15 GMT
#1396
On August 17 2014 00:26 AsnSensation wrote:
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!


I always hated ryu/score/mafa for this. Those three assholes were in control of that Bullets team, not the coaches or owners. Thank god they are almost all gone and the coaching staff is finally getting their shit together. Why am I not surprised one of the coaches from KT B hated dealing with those three so much that he took Zero and Insec with him to China.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
August 17 2014 07:29 GMT
#1397
On August 17 2014 16:14 Owned Noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 13:42 1ntrigue wrote:
On August 17 2014 08:28 Owned Noob wrote:
I think the reason arrow always falls so behind in cs is because he always, always groups early and swings the early skirmishes in kta's favor. Kakao's aggressive playstyle really enables alot of the team's individual strengths early game, and by creating favorable opportunities early on, arrow gets gold through kills and objectives, which covers for his really shitty laning phase. Even if he might get a lot of flack for falling behind 100+ cs, his playstyle really complements kakao's and their ability to coordinate early is key to kta's early game dominance.

That's only a part of it. Arrow is just completely outclassed at this level though. In favourable match-ups, he ended up losing by 10-20 cs by 15min or so (sometimes with Heart roaming too), while in unfavourable match-ups, he would be 30-40s down by 15min or so. In the last game, he was roaming so there was a greater difference, but it was obvious that Arrow was the inferior ADC in laning, in teamfights (he would usually misposition, and even when he didn't, he had much less damage output than Deft even though Deft was always the dive target for KTA), and even in the macro game, he was worse than Deft.

I was rooting hard for KTA, but Arrow/Hachani would get wrecked at worlds vs Deft/Heart, Imp/Mata, Namei/fzzf and Uzi/Zero in terms of laning and teamfight presence.

What i'm saying is that Arrow, in the system that kta is running, has managed to circumvent his biggest weakness (really, really bad laning) by grouping up early in order to make aggressive early plays with Kakao. Arrow grouping is key to KTA's early playmaking potential, as they often win the skirmishes simply by having more people there. In terms of teamfighting, I'd say that Deft and Arrow each played better in the games that their team won. What really impressed me about Arrow is that he managed to approach his biggest weakness in a way that complements the way his team's playstyle. Instead of trying to fix something he naturally wasn't good at, Arrow opts to avoid the issue entirely and chooses to get his gold through grouping and pressuring early. Because he groups early, KTA has a much better chance at winning early battles and securing objectives. I'll admit I though he was shit before too, but he's adapted his play to fit his team's needs beautifully.

Yeah, I would agree with that and the comment above about his weak mentality vs strong players.

You have to admit, though, that he is fortunate to have such a strong jungler and mid to fall back on, or he would not even have the chance to sacrifice his lane for rotational plays at all. Further, even though I was rooting for KTA, I don't think they were overall stronger than Samsung Blue in the finals. Unless the bot lane has a lot of potential to grow, KTA might come close to their skill ceiling next season and still find themselves below SSW, SSB and maybe SKT K.

With the meta shifting towards more powerful ADCs, it's basically a requirement of top teams to have a strong bot lane (see OMG's slump and Starhorn's rise in China).
swim224
Profile Joined May 2010
Botswana368 Posts
August 18 2014 23:27 GMT
#1398
On August 17 2014 16:15 GozoShioda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2014 00:26 AsnSensation wrote:
always enjoy a good justice porn. Sssumday and Kakao winning ogn after they got treated so badly on KTB by the old startale trio is nice!


I always hated ryu/score/mafa for this. Those three assholes were in control of that Bullets team, not the coaches or owners. Thank god they are almost all gone and the coaching staff is finally getting their shit together. Why am I not surprised one of the coaches from KT B hated dealing with those three so much that he took Zero and Insec with him to China.

Are there any good summaries anywhere about what happened? I missed all this :/
....unless Taeja suddenly parachutes into the studio with explosions behind him and lands on a skateboard which he jumps over the booth before jumping in. If that happened it would be so sweet it would be physically impossible for them to lose. - Haydin
LucKeS
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada22 Posts
August 19 2014 22:35 GMT
#1399
It's not that bad.
There is a lot more players to handle now.
It understandable.
www.MontrealGaming.com
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
August 25 2014 10:11 GMT
#1400
Just to remind you guys that SKT K vs Samsung White is in two days, don't miss it !
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