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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 06 2014 07:41 AlterKot wrote: Watching this CW makes me think that they could've been top3 if they didn't let Amazing and Forgiven go and found a good toplaner. Pretty sad. You think that CW would be better than SHC? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 06 2014 07:41 AlterKot wrote: Watching this CW makes me think that they could've been top3 if they didn't let Amazing and Forgiven go and found a good toplaner. Pretty sad. I dont think Woolite is any worse than Forg1ven overall. Maybe even better as he probably doesnt drag his team down. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On June 06 2014 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote: The sad world of fantasy where SHC and CW players make more points than SK or [A] because the latter teams simply win their games too fast. G_G Yeah they should change the scoring to better reward players on teams that win faster imo | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On June 06 2014 07:48 NeoIllusions wrote: You think that CW would be better than SHC? Yep. Maybe not by a big margin, but considering that almost all of the LCS teams regressed, they would be 3rd by default. They always were decent strategically (not anything impressive, but they had the basics down, which puts them above most EU teams). Unlimited played very, very well with Forgiven, and Amazing exploited his role on the team to the fullest. And I actually was never sure whether Cowtard is deserving all the flack he gets or not, right now I would put him around the middle of LCS fray. Youngbuck is a problem, but so is Mimer. Apart from that, SHC made very successful roster changes (I'd put Rallez/Faller on the same level as Forgiven/Unlimited and Selfie is making a case for himself), and they are applying some basic strategies too, so they might actually be better than Spring CW, but my gut feeling put's them below the aforementioned. I think Woolite is a very good example of a player that get's too much credit because he makes more flashy plays. And Forgiven was just so damn efficient in trading, teamfighting and farming that he'll forever have my appreciation. Woolite is bringing a different assets to the team, but I don't think he fits too well with the Wolves style - maybe he would actually do well on a better team, dunno. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
edit: Think I said it a little too harsh, in any case I disagree with the above post. | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
CW is strategically one of the worst teams and the team intelligence is pretty bad. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 06 2014 08:11 3 Lions wrote: Yeah they should change the scoring to better reward players on teams that win faster imo Why? Teams that play sloppy but rack up more points are going to be better that teams that play clinically but dont win by huge margins sometimes for fantasy. Other times they'll get crushed and be useless. IMO it adds an exciting risk/reward to starting those players - do I take the guaranteed 12-15 points from Froggen, or do I gamble withh cowTard in the hopes he can rack up 30+ even in defeat? Sometimes, like yesterday, you'll win big, but other times you'll lose out and cowTard will post something like 3 points. if they made it so winning faster was worth more points, every game would be decided by which team had the most ALL/C9/SK/CLG players on it, which would be really boring. | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
Also I'm pretty sure SK and ALL will go to worlds, the 3rd team is kinda up in the air, but even tho it's EU I would be pretty suprised to not see these 2 in the top3. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 07 2014 00:43 loSleb wrote: I don't think Mimer is a problem at all, I can't think of 3 toplaners I would rate better than him in EU LCS. Also I'm pretty sure SK and ALL will go to worlds, the 3rd team is kinda up in the air, but even tho it's EU I would be pretty suprised to not see these 2 in the top3. It's pretty much first split where i don't have A LOT of questions to Mimer, he seems pretty solid. And right now it's pretty hard to rate toplaners, not the best time for them. Well, meta still can shift a bit, so i won't say anything right now except for Alliance are for sure EU lock for Worlds, they're just head above everyone in Europe right now but again, everything might happen. | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage. What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots. Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals. "Have a chance on international stage" is a joke, Europe needs to be high, we're getting laughed everywhere on SEA level almost. There is no room to more fails. If we rate teams right now - [A] | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 07 2014 00:31 BrownBear wrote: Why? Teams that play sloppy but rack up more points are going to be better that teams that play clinically but dont win by huge margins sometimes for fantasy. Other times they'll get crushed and be useless. IMO it adds an exciting risk/reward to starting those players - do I take the guaranteed 12-15 points from Froggen, or do I gamble withh cowTard in the hopes he can rack up 30+ even in defeat? Sometimes, like yesterday, you'll win big, but other times you'll lose out and cowTard will post something like 3 points. if they made it so winning faster was worth more points, every game would be decided by which team had the most ALL/C9/SK/CLG players on it, which would be really boring. So are you saying it would be wrong if you win because you have the best players and teams? I think it is kind of the point to get the best you can. Of course it is another inherent flaw that the number of players you can choose from is just too small. Another problem of Riot LCS Fantasy is that getting killed does barely matter at all. If your player is stupid agressive and gets killed twice for every kill he makes, you still come out ahead compared to someone who plays safe and gets even kills and deaths, but few of them. Also I dont like that all roles get rewarded with the same point system. So some roles will alway be worth less than others, even if they contribute just as much to the game. In comparison, the ESL scoring system is much better: http://fantasy.eslgaming.com/leagues/3/rules | ||
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skykh
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 07 2014 00:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots. Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals. If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team. Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:02 skykh wrote: Riot decide to bring a gamechanging patch in the play-offs and buff all top ap's. Fnatic strenghts increased, Alliance is fucked. Meta can already change significantly with 4.10 with all the item changes. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:05 BrownBear wrote: If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team. Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC? Why not SHC? You guys are just discounting them because they are not a big name. Just like Lemondogs only got recognition after they had already stopped to exist. Besides Fnatic are not looking any worse than the other splits. Last summer split they were close to relegation before the last playday. Last spring split they lost 8 games in a row. This one is not quite as bad in comparison. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
lol deficio | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Bans: Nidalee, Twitch, Ziggs. Kassadin, Ryze, Kayle. Picks: Jax, Caitlyn, Lulu, Evelynn, Gragas. Lucian, Lee Sin, Thresh, Renekton, Orianna. On June 07 2014 01:05 BrownBear wrote: If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team. Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC? Well, i still expect them to recover. I never was fan of Fnatic since Get_Right left organisation, but well, i expect them to be at least top-2 in the playoffs. On June 07 2014 01:09 Redox wrote: Why not SHC? You guys are just discounting them because they are not a big name. Just like Lemondogs only got recognition after they had already stopped to exist. Besides Fnatic are not looking any worse than the other splits. Last summer split they were close to relegation before the last playday. Last spring split they lost 8 games in a row. This one is not quite as bad in comparison. Lemondogs were abusing the meta, SHC are still playing as MrRallez + 4. | ||
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