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On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before.
I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something).
It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best).
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On May 11 2014 01:16 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:16 Inflicted_ wrote:On May 11 2014 01:16 Derez wrote:
Why doesnt some western team import a couple of b-team koreans? Seems easy enough. Communication Just get 5?
Locodoco tried that and they failed to qualify for NA LCS.
I think Peke and Soaz are rarely looking good - they didn't in LCS, then suddenly did in IEM, it stuck with them through playoffs and now they are back to being underwhelming. I hope the top3 next split will be SK/ALL/ROC.
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On May 11 2014 01:27 skykh wrote:
Ok, SKT K first lose to S seems k throwing for their sister teams to me, They subbed Poohmandu vs kta and thought easy win and they got stomped, then they fight ozone top 1-2 korean team and got destroyed and then playing nlb when they probaly doesnt give a fuck. I mean this little ciruit points doesnt matter. They won vs shield 2 times one time with OPEN INHIBITOR. Their match against blue in masters is really good considering how blue has better late game and mundo with spirit visage+5-7 heals and late game kog.
1st place NLB is actually worth more than 3rd ogn, why do you think NJBS made it last year despite not getting out of groups once after their winter win.
tl;dr their loss to frost in NLB, they were trying and if they weren't they are trash tier for not caring
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Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America
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On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best).
At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either.
On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America
For the Asian audience.
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On May 11 2014 01:27 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. That story always confused me. People always say the moral is "slow and steady wins the race," but really it's more about the hare's hubris than the turtle's pace.
Well you need both. If the hare didnt fuck around then even if the turtle gave it its best it wouldnt have mattered. If the turtle gave up at the beginning, then the hare would've won even if it fucked around. I think its more of a, hard work gives some chance > better than be lazy and have no chance (if you are the turtle)
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On May 11 2014 01:30 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:27 skykh wrote:
Ok, SKT K first lose to S seems k throwing for their sister teams to me, They subbed Poohmandu vs kta and thought easy win and they got stomped, then they fight ozone top 1-2 korean team and got destroyed and then playing nlb when they probaly doesnt give a fuck. I mean this little ciruit points doesnt matter. They won vs shield 2 times one time with OPEN INHIBITOR. Their match against blue in masters is really good considering how blue has better late game and mundo with spirit visage+5-7 heals and late game kog. 1st place NLB is actually worth more than 3rd ogn, why do you think NJBS made it last year despite not getting out of groups once after their winter win. tl;dr their loss to frost in NLB, they were trying and if they weren't they are trash tier for not caring
Nlb is 75 points, i think ktb and skt are stronger shield/blaze but worser then ozone.
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lol I guess they nerfed it due to NJBS ( I would assume)
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On May 11 2014 01:26 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:25 Sakray wrote:
Holy shit the french facebook pages about LoL (probably the 2 biggest french ones, 37k and 14.5k) are giving cancer, people are absurdly retarded there. i don't even see how it's surprising.
What's surprising is the amount of retardness that is in there, never thought it was this high.
Like, I mention esport in 1 comment, and the first game that comes to their mind is CoD.
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On May 11 2014 01:31 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best). At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either. Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America For the Asian audience.
The story of C9 and CLG trying to play in OGN winter annoyed me, two teams are taking the steps to contend at a world class level but rito just went "lol no, stay in NA where you're nice and marketable"
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On May 11 2014 01:27 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. Chauster simply prefers Achilles and the Tortoise
LOOL
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On May 11 2014 01:32 skykh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:30 Slusher wrote:On May 11 2014 01:27 skykh wrote:
Ok, SKT K first lose to S seems k throwing for their sister teams to me, They subbed Poohmandu vs kta and thought easy win and they got stomped, then they fight ozone top 1-2 korean team and got destroyed and then playing nlb when they probaly doesnt give a fuck. I mean this little ciruit points doesnt matter. They won vs shield 2 times one time with OPEN INHIBITOR. Their match against blue in masters is really good considering how blue has better late game and mundo with spirit visage+5-7 heals and late game kog. 1st place NLB is actually worth more than 3rd ogn, why do you think NJBS made it last year despite not getting out of groups once after their winter win. tl;dr their loss to frost in NLB, they were trying and if they weren't they are trash tier for not caring Nlb is 75 points, i think ktb and skt are stronger shield/blaze but worser then ozone.
Why would KTB and SKT be stronger than shield when shield beat KT B?
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On May 11 2014 01:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:31 Numy wrote:On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best). At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either. On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America For the Asian audience. The story of C9 and CLG trying to play in OGN winter annoyed me, two teams are taking the steps to contend at a world class level but rito just went "lol no, stay in NA where you're nice and marketable"
It's rather funny that this mirrors what happened to China last year in dota. ACE made it so the top teams had almost no games outside of one or two tournaments and weren't allowed to play in anything else. The region took a heavy dive along with completely misunderstanding the current patch due to lack of games. Now you have post TI3 where they realized how silly it was to isolate themselves that hard and China is looking strong again.
What's happened to EU LCS is one of the saddest things in gaming history. Never before has a region fallen so hard so fast.
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I wonder how western teams in champions would work. Would OGN be willing to grant them spots or would they have to qualify like every Korean team (which I'm still not sure how is done)? Also I'm still waiting for a team to have the balls to give up their spot, compete in Korea and then play in spring challenger series to get back to LCS.
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On May 11 2014 01:37 AlterKot wrote:
I wonder how western teams in champions would work. Would OGN be willing to grant them spots or would they have to qualify like every Korean team (which I'm still not sure how is done)? Also I'm still waiting for a team to have the balls to give up their spot, compete in Korea and then play in spring challenger series to get back to LCS.
God GSL seeds for foreigners were the worst.
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On May 11 2014 01:37 AlterKot wrote:
I wonder how western teams in champions would work. Would OGN be willing to grant them spots or would they have to qualify like every Korean team (which I'm still not sure how is done)? Also I'm still waiting for a team to have the balls to give up their spot, compete in Korea and then play in spring challenger series to get back to LCS.
afaik c9 and clg planned to do that, maybe riot is a bit flexible next year and delays the spring start by a bit so teams can go compete in ogn winter if they want to (the more valuable thing would be to spend 1 or 2 months in korea scrimming ogn teams anyway)
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On May 11 2014 01:37 AlterKot wrote:
I wonder how that would work. Would OGN be willing to grant them spots or would they have to qualify like every Korean team (which I'm still not sure how is done)? Also I'm still waiting for a team to have the balls to give up their spot, compete in Korea and then play in spring challenger series to get back to LCS.
I mean at their current level, Cloud 9 would have literally zero problems getting back into the LCS. Whoever has to play them in relegation would just shit their pants at the thought. Let's also not forget that in the off chance that they were allowed to and compete in Korea, they would've gotten a lot stronger.
Keep in mind that Cloud 9 dominated Season 3 LCS precisely because they ripped a bunch of Korean strats and emulated a lot of the successful plays that were coming out of the Korean scene, and they still, by far, have the most dominating performance in NA. Think about how much better their strategy (as well as individual skill too) would be better if instead of emulating these strategies, they had to play and adapt to them when they went to Korea.
I think a lot of teams would be stronger for it. I know there's that story where CLG regrets going to Korea, but I honestly think that their lack of improvement from that era had more to do with their team dynamic and how they adapted to the country then actually playing and learning as a team.
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On May 11 2014 01:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:31 Numy wrote:On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best). At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either. On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America For the Asian audience. The story of C9 and CLG trying to play in OGN winter annoyed me, two teams are taking the steps to contend at a world class level but rito just went "lol no, stay in NA where you're nice and marketable"
Riot was doing them a favour. NA hope gonna go down the drain if people see no name nlb teams roflstomp the top NA teams
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On May 11 2014 01:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:31 Numy wrote:On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best). At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either. On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America For the Asian audience. The story of C9 and CLG trying to play in OGN winter annoyed me, two teams are taking the steps to contend at a world class level but rito just went "lol no, stay in NA where you're nice and marketable"
They didn't even have time to do simple bootcamp with Alliance between seasons.
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On May 11 2014 01:41 sharky246 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 01:34 Fusilero wrote:On May 11 2014 01:31 Numy wrote:On May 11 2014 01:27 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 11 2014 01:24 ParadeofMadness wrote:On May 11 2014 01:17 cuppatea wrote:
I recall Chauster in one of his AMA's confidently predicting that Korea would never be able to surpass NA in LoL due to the size of the headstart they had. He obviously never followed Starcraft. Fucking Aesop wrote The Tortoise and the Hare for a reason. For a supposedly intelligent person you might've thougt Chauster had read it before. I think Chauster was under the impression that both regions would go at the same pace. At the time, he probably believed that NA infrastructure would replicate a lot of what happened in BW when Koreans basically just took over the West and roflstomped everyone (aka the west would learn something). It didn't round out that way, and it also doesn't help that solo queue isn't taken seriously even in the highest levels so the talent pool in NA has become something of a joke since we have to import from other regions all the time to stay competitive. A potential top 4 team next season is gonna basically be China import, TSM has two Euro imports, CLG has a euro, a fake korean, and a potentially real korean, and C9 is the only team that's actually full American (and ironically they are the best). At the time Chauster didn't know that Riot would region lock and deny all competition either. On May 11 2014 01:30 Novice wrote:
Why does it have to start at 4am pst? Even three hours later would make it watchable for most of North America For the Asian audience. The story of C9 and CLG trying to play in OGN winter annoyed me, two teams are taking the steps to contend at a world class level but rito just went "lol no, stay in NA where you're nice and marketable" Riot was doing them a favour. NA hope gonna go down the drain if people see no name nlb teams roflstomp the top NA teams
There's no point being a king of garbage imo
Just look at what good that did for Fnatic.
Sometimes you gotta get stomped before you pick yourself back up and improve. C9, from their interviews at least, have, by far, the best mentality to improvement that I've seen from anybody in NA, second only to like...fucking Nientonsoh who always said he was a shit gamer and needed to improve and be the best he can be.
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