[NA LCS] Spring 2014 Playoffs - Page 27

On April 19 2014 08:41 AlterKot wrote:
Ah man look at them, so happy to be chosen as the C9 sacrifice.

On April 19 2014 08:45 Disengaged wrote:


All hail our C9 gods

On April 19 2014 09:32 NightElf wrote:
Annie,Graves with Nidalee will not work ever if other team doesnt throw hard.Orianna instead of Nidalee would have changed the whole dynamic of those team fight...Anyway glad to see VoyBoy being so much happy..He would had gotten a heart attack if they lost..
GG to Curse.

On April 19 2014 09:58 ketchup wrote:


I think you are confused here. The other team didn't need to throw anything. Dignitas had a decent advantage going into their fights around the mid game, but they underestimated how curse would play(even though it's fairly easy to understand what they wanted). Curse did the same thing in game 2 as game 3. Which was diving aggressively with leona ult + stuns, and his team following up properly. What dignitas needed to do was poke properly, while jax split push. The more dignitas were able to wear down curse line up's health bars by poking, the more impressive jax is at cleaning up with teleport. Dignitas played that wrongly, but Curse also used the comp they drafted much better. Again, Dignitas underestimated Curse.


If you gave that same team comp that dignitas had to any other team currently(tsm, cloud 9, clg, maybe even coast), you can be pretty sure Curse would have been on the back foot throughout the entire game.

On April 19 2014 10:24 NightElf wrote:


In first game..Curse would had won if they didnt put so much on mid push and didnt play map game very badly..First they lost the 2 towers for 1...then in mid push they lost 2 inhebitors for 2 towers..Curse's rotation and map control was pretty bad..curse couldnt get their engagement because they lost map control all over the place

When enemy team has nidalee..You must dive aggressively..There is no other way..You must commit to a type of play..Dignitas's team comp was weird..Annie,graves,jax are dive champs..And they take nidalee..Which is a poke champ..This doesnt work at all..They could have taken caitlyn and karma for better poke and disengage..Even if they wanted graves and annie..they could have just taken orianna instead of nidalee..Curse's team comp didn't had high damage potential till late..Taking orianna into graves and annie...Dig could easily out damage them in mid game power spike...They even got a lead early game in game 3 when curse lost 4 members for a dragon.

On April 19 2014 11:39 ketchup wrote:


I believe Annie was for disengage(countering the Leona on the other team), Graves was for his wave clear + escape, and Jax was clean up. They weren't picked for their diving ability.

Annie was picked because she is versatile. She can chase and she can disengage. In this case, kiwikid played bad and did not deliver. Blame the player instead of the champion.

Graves is there for the wave clear, so they can poke easier with nidalee. Grave's wave clear is pretty amazing. Of course, I can ask why graves over any other ADC, but that's their choice. I don't know 100% why they chose Graves.

Jax is clean up pure and simple. Once they've poked enough, jax comes in and cleans up. He is also a semi-tank who can soak up a deceptively large amount of damage due to his ult + his item builds.

I disagree with your classifications mostly because they work differently in different team comps. I agree that Karma might have been interesting, but again, they probably have their reasons for Annie. I don't think Annie conflicts with the team comp so much that you can call it a bad pick. The biggest thing though, is that Dignitas underestimated Curse. Dignitas' positioning around any objective in their second and third games were a mess. It allowed Curse to repeatedly catch them off guard in the same way over and over. Just look at their second and third game. Specifically, Bunnyfufuu got no respect from Dignitas for playing that Leona so well(They banned thresh in the third game instead. Of course the ban can be justified in saying that bunnyfufuu's thresh might have posed a larger problem, but to me, it shows bunnyfufuu was underestimated with his leona play). If they really wanted to ban a support champion, they should have just banned Leona. It destroyed them the second game, and he did it again the third game.

On April 19 2014 12:03 Sleight wrote:


So one big thing I think isn't really given its due is what Graves' biggest strength is: midgame burst. Poke comps either have to stall fights long enough to where the poke is decisive, or, as in this case, try to poke just enough to make someone burstable. Graves can do this with 2 items really well in addition to having great wave-clear for a wave-clear light team. His Q+W+R is enough to soften people up for Jax or take down poked enemies and his E is great for the turret pushing early games we see.

Remember, Jax and Nid peak late, whilelyse gets stronger the longer the games goes but less obviously than those two. So having Annie and Graves which peak earlier is a good try to balance out power spikes and give you more pressure prior to 2 item Jax or 3 item Nid coming online and threatening to end the game.

On April 19 2014 13:38 NightElf wrote:
Graves has such a short range that he cant get close to clear minion line against that high dive heavy team comp of curse..Their comp is so much better with orianna or even ziggs..tibbers into shock wave into collateral damage from graves can insta kill 2-3 people from curse..
Dig didnt had enough wave clear..
But about team comp,we can all agree to disagree..
That was my 2 cents..