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On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are.
Disagree. EG has experience but lacks skill. C9T has skill, but little experience. EG has, at best, a 60-40 edge, which may be pushed up to 70-30 because of stage fright. LMQ is a fair 50-50 to XDG. Col.Black has <10% chance vs. Curse/Dig/Coast.
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It all really depend which version of each team shows up. The main thing separating the Challenger/ relegated teams and those who are consistently in the LCS is mostly consistency.
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On April 14 2014 13:37 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are. Disagree. EG has experience but lacks skill. C9T has skill, but little experience. EG has, at best, a 60-40 edge, which may be pushed up to 70-30 because of stage fright. LMQ is a fair 50-50 to XDG. Col.Black has <10% chance vs. Curse/Dig/Coast.
I don't know why you think EG don't have the skills/mechanics to beat C9T. That's just odd. EG also have a huge experience advantage. Not really sure what you are disagreeing with when you favor EG in the match up anyways.
I don't believe lmq is only 50-50 to XDG. XDG are clear underdogs for me here. I know LMQ didn't really look good today, but I think XDG are worse than this. I believe XWX can carry his team to victory even if Vasili is playing poorly.
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On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are.
I wouldn't be so definitive about it. I mean, I agree EG has the edge based on experience, but I could see CT9 pulling it off if they really work and practice for it. I mean, EG would still be the favorites though.
Edit: lol LMQ has more than a 50% chance considering how XDG has been playing recently. I don't think LMQ takes these online games very seriously, they will show up to play at a LAN though.
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On April 14 2014 13:45 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are. I wouldn't be so definitive about it. I mean, I agree EG has the edge based on experience, but I could see CT9 pulling it off if they really work and practice for it. I mean, EG would still be the favorites though. Edit: lol LMQ has more than a 50% chance considering how XDG has been playing recently. I don't think LMQ takes these online games very seriously, they will show up to play at a LAN though.
I think Doublelift said somewhere that Vasilli plays like a god online and in scrims but chokes really hard at LANs, so that may be a factor too
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On April 14 2014 13:45 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are. I wouldn't be so definitive about it. I mean, I agree EG has the edge based on experience, but I could see CT9 pulling it off if they really work and practice for it. I mean, EG would still be the favorites though. Edit: lol LMQ has more than a 50% chance considering how XDG has been playing recently. I don't think LMQ takes these online games very seriously, they will show up to play at a LAN though.
I strongly feel that c9t don't have what it takes to beat EG as they(C9T) are playing currently. They don't seem to have any sort of leader. In that way, they sometimes revert back to playing like it's solo queue. For example, in the last game, they let their top lane base tower die at the 4:30 minute mark. No team should take that trade, and no team should let it happen.
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Fair enough. I thought they've looked pretty good recently, but I didn't watch any of the other games against LMQ today. It's moot since I think EG is going to win anyway, but maybe C9T's recent play has just looked good against shit tier Challenger teams.
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On April 14 2014 14:08 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 13:45 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are. I wouldn't be so definitive about it. I mean, I agree EG has the edge based on experience, but I could see CT9 pulling it off if they really work and practice for it. I mean, EG would still be the favorites though. Edit: lol LMQ has more than a 50% chance considering how XDG has been playing recently. I don't think LMQ takes these online games very seriously, they will show up to play at a LAN though. I strongly feel that c9t don't have what it takes to beat EG as they(C9T) are playing currently. They don't seem to have any sort of leader. In that way, they sometimes revert back to playing like it's solo queue. For example, in the last game, they let their top lane base tower die at the 4:30 minute mark. No team should take that trade, and no team should let it happen.
I forgot which team in LCS had it happen but I should say that DID happen in a LCS match ...
I think LMQ got good odds against XDG, (XDG just looks SO bad there's not a single impressive member on the team left) while C9T versus EG really depends on Pobelter IMO.
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LMQ picked solo q champ.I think they didnt try to show their strat..They always prioritize renekton and elise..They didnt in this best of 5..Even when they picked kha..They went assassin kha instead of tanky dps kha which is alot better..picking syndra instead of lulu mid..Even though XWX showed that he can rekt nida with a lulu against CA..but well this game looked sloppy coz the aggression was insane through out the game..Its same as chinese game..When u put insane aggression other team must react and things get sloppy..
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On April 14 2014 14:24 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2014 14:08 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:45 onlywonderboy wrote:On April 14 2014 13:34 ketchup wrote:On April 14 2014 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
C9T returning the favor. Also I know it's not really too bold of a claim, but C9T might be able to beat EG if that's who they end up playing well. EG guys certainly have the experience, but I could see C9T winning if they don't choke. Or Pobelter goes god mode and just shits on Bishu 3 games in a row and carries EG to victory #TheDream. No. They can't beat EG. EG actually know how to play as a team, and they seem to show up during the BoX series. Even if throwbelter shows up, c9t can't beat EG as they currently are. I wouldn't be so definitive about it. I mean, I agree EG has the edge based on experience, but I could see CT9 pulling it off if they really work and practice for it. I mean, EG would still be the favorites though. Edit: lol LMQ has more than a 50% chance considering how XDG has been playing recently. I don't think LMQ takes these online games very seriously, they will show up to play at a LAN though. I strongly feel that c9t don't have what it takes to beat EG as they(C9T) are playing currently. They don't seem to have any sort of leader. In that way, they sometimes revert back to playing like it's solo queue. For example, in the last game, they let their top lane base tower die at the 4:30 minute mark. No team should take that trade, and no team should let it happen. I forgot which team in LCS had it happen but I should say that DID happen in a LCS match ... I think LMQ got good odds against XDG, (XDG just looks SO bad there's not a single impressive member on the team left) while C9T versus EG really depends on Pobelter IMO.
Last Promotions there were Snoopeh and Krepo who just carried EG into LCS. And i assume, if Snoopeh goes hard again, then C9T has no chance with Kez.
Pobelter is 60/40 against Bischu considering amount of choking for both, Innox is 60/40 against Yazuki, but Altec and Gleebglarbu are 60/40 against Yellowpete and Krepo.
So, if Snoopeh > Kez, EG will roll, if Snoopeh fails, gg easy.
Still hope tho, that Coast/Curse will choose C9T and EG will play against CLB.
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EG really needs Snoopeh to step up during these promotion matches. When he does well early on, the team is usually able to keep their heads in the game and play to win. When he feeds, then it seems like Pobelter loses his will to live and basically goes on tilt and feeds nonstop while getting caught splitpushing.
EG's bot lane just isn't strong enough 2v2 to make many plays, and Innox is very hit or miss, especially if he's taken off comfort champs and put into the traditional tank champs top. If he's on his comfort champs of something like Nidalee, EG really needs Snoopeh to get big and beefy to present that front line if teams ever do clash. If he falls behind, EG just crumbles and loses.
Don't think Complexity Black has a shot at winning, but I definitely do think LMQ has a very good shot still against XDG. Let's be honest, XDG's bot lane is very poor because Zuna is playing. LMQs solo laners will not lose 1v1 to XDGs with jungle pressure most likely going to bot lane to hep out Zuna. The key will be whether or not Xmithie can make a difference in his lanes to either get one of his solo laners rolling or if he can prevent Zuna from massively feeding. When XDG was winning, ManCloud was by far the best mid laner in all of NA, and Xmithie was wrecking lanes from the jungle. If they want to win, they need that to happen again, otherwise Zuna will just get rolled early while attempting to play his hypercarry AD carries.
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I think eg will loose. EG knows that the last split was shamefull and if they make it to another they have to endure everything again and again.
There is no way they get better and they know it. They will loose this and complexity will get the spot.
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On April 15 2014 05:51 TitusVI wrote:
I think eg will loose. EG knows that the last split was shamefull and if they make it to another they have to endure everything again and again.
There is no way they get better and they know it. They will loose this and complexity will get the spot.
1. they probably play C9Tempest
2. If for some strange reason curse/dig/coast pick c9 and EG gets Complexity.... well just remember last time Col or then TBD "looked good" and EG was 3 EU rejects happened.
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I keep seeing people say Yazuki is a weak link of C9T but I think he's one of their stronger players. Godlike just made him look bad in that set because he's also great top laner, probably Balls/Dyrus level. I think Yazuki is way better than Innox, Yazuki went pretty much blow for blow with Zion in the Coast VS TWZ set (pretty sure he walked out of that set with a 2.0 KDA) and there's no denying that Zion is better than Innox.
The big issue for C9T is Bischu and Kez, who are both stupidly inconsistent. Then again, they will likely be against Snoopeh and Pobelter, who are also stupidly inconsistent.
If C9T VS EG happens, I'd say Yazuki is better than Innox and Altec/Gleeb are miles better than Pete/Krepo. Only chance for EG is if Godbelter shows up and/or they strategically outplay (which is a realistic possibility) because I think they will lose 2 out of 3 lanes most games.
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On April 15 2014 09:31 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
I keep seeing people say Yazuki is a weak link of C9T but I think he's one of their stronger players. Godlike just made him look bad in that set because he's also great top laner, probably Balls/Dyrus level. I think Yazuki is way better than Innox, Yazuki went pretty much blow for blow with Zion in the Coast VS TWZ set (pretty sure he walked out of that set with a 2.0 KDA) and there's no denying that Zion is better than Innox.
The big issue for C9T is Bischu and Kez, who are both stupidly inconsistent. Then again, they will likely be against Snoopeh and Pobelter, who are also stupidly inconsistent.
If C9T VS EG happens, I'd say Yazuki is better than Innox and Altec/Gleeb are miles better than Pete/Krepo. Only chance for EG is if Godbelter shows up and/or they strategically outplay (which is a realistic possibility) because I think they will lose 2 out of 3 lanes most games.
I dunno dude, to be fair right now C9T are all about Altec.
Yazuki tends to choke hard on LANs, same to Bischu and Kez is just mediocre. Bischu can hit moments of biggest brilliance from every LCS midlaner but oh well.
On April 15 2014 04:15 Roffles wrote:
EG really needs Snoopeh to step up during these promotion matches. When he does well early on, the team is usually able to keep their heads in the game and play to win. When he feeds, then it seems like Pobelter loses his will to live and basically goes on tilt and feeds nonstop while getting caught splitpushing.
EG's bot lane just isn't strong enough 2v2 to make many plays, and Innox is very hit or miss, especially if he's taken off comfort champs and put into the traditional tank champs top. If he's on his comfort champs of something like Nidalee, EG really needs Snoopeh to get big and beefy to present that front line if teams ever do clash. If he falls behind, EG just crumbles and loses.
Don't think Complexity Black has a shot at winning, but I definitely do think LMQ has a very good shot still against XDG. Let's be honest, XDG's bot lane is very poor because Zuna is playing. LMQs solo laners will not lose 1v1 to XDGs with jungle pressure most likely going to bot lane to hep out Zuna. The key will be whether or not Xmithie can make a difference in his lanes to either get one of his solo laners rolling or if he can prevent Zuna from massively feeding. When XDG was winning, ManCloud was by far the best mid laner in all of NA, and Xmithie was wrecking lanes from the jungle. If they want to win, they need that to happen again, otherwise Zuna will just get rolled early while attempting to play his hypercarry AD carries.
Agreed about Snoopeh, he will be the key point. But he has that stupidly absurd ability of going hard in playoffs always, so i'm not worried a lot for EG. Everyone can blame Snoopeh hard, but he's strong leader and he rarely fails in big moments.
Plus i expect C9T to go hard on Krepo with banning playmaking supports probably, because focusing Pobelter in pick/ban phase is weird and Innox won't bring anything new probably.
I guess, if CLB faces Curse, then they have good shot, because i don't see CLB being outplayed in lanes and if Brokenshard doesn't die to lizard elder, then probably they can proceed to win 1-2 games even with their atrocious teamfighting. Coast will probably crush them where they stand in lanes, Dignitas are teamfighting way better and same with EG.
XDG to stop LMQ will have to play games of their lives tho. C9T showed yesterday that LoMoQ aren't unbeatable and if Zuna plays his best 3 games from his 79-81 televised matches in LCS, Worlds and BotA, then they can do it. Mancloud and XWX have same playstyles, Benny can at least hold his ground and Xmithie > NoName. So, Sheep and Zuna will have to play their A-game.
On April 15 2014 05:51 TitusVI wrote:
I think eg will loose. EG knows that the last split was shamefull and if they make it to another they have to endure everything again and again.
There is no way they get better and they know it. They will loose this and complexity will get the spot.
There is nothing shameful in being worse than top-3 teams. If things could go a bit better for EG, they could easy get 12-13 victories and not 7 and it could be 4th place, not 7th.
And lol, saying that Pobelter and Innox can't get better is a joke. Krepo wasn't bad either last split, Snoopeh still has his moments of brilliance and with all hate which Yellowpete is getting for 2 seasons, he's still high in soloqueue, so he deserves to be there.
compLexity was crushed once already when everyone was saying that it's gg for EG, Westrice and Arthelon will rock, Snoopeh is useless and so on. After 3 games Snoopeh had 45 KDA, Arthelon left the team after that loss and Pobelter stole Baron Nashor with Ziggs's ult.
And C9T will have to play best games of their lives to go into LCS.
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I like how they're just dumping bo3 format for last 5 minutes :D
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I think this episode truly shown that Monte is the guy that actually commentates and analyses League and Thorin is just good at asking questions and repeating other's insight.
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It works but Thorin also wins me over in the fact that he is very passionate and genuine about what he does.
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On April 15 2014 12:55 KissBlade wrote:
It works but Thorin also wins me over in the fact that he is very passionate and genuine about what he does.
Agreed. He might looks like a hillbill viking but he's blunt and passionate, that's sick combo with Monte's ego.
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