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Meh, I just don't know what that Nid pick was. The only way it really made much sense (IMO) was if he'd been able to win lane a lot harder, then do some kind of splitpush. Also, there was no reason to take teleport on one of the most mobile champs in the game. Nid is one of the least scary champs to see teleporting into a fight.
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On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start...
pobes makes some good plays like I said, and usually he does pretty well in lane, he just gets ganked a lot because not having a jungler kinda sucks. He's the only one I'd say for sure is playing on an lcs level. It's hard to look good when your whole team loses each of their positions. Remember when they killed wizfujin 3 times in that game vs. CST, and yellowpete still had less of an impact lol? or when snoopeh played eve vs. c9 i think? and would just run around in c9's jungle not doing anything?
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He should feel embarrassed
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On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz.
I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th
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Xpecial... insightful as always.
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On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th
You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills).
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Faker is a jungler who shines with a strong team. He makes a lot of high risk/ high reward plays, which with a bad team would be much more likely to fail.
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On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
hasnt snoopeh always been considered awful? last game i watched of nintendude he made so many dumb decisions it just boggled my mind.
another thing i'd like to see is IWD replaced by stv or anything jungle on curse, cause iwd is just fucking terrible.
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On April 06 2014 09:59 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills).
While that's true, I would say Faker is significantly better at Pobelter. He was pretty much the single reason why that OMG vs SKT games went the way they did.
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On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th
Pretty sure Froggen carried EG 4th place prev split.
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On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I agree, so spot on analysis.
I would like to add that while nintendudex is as bad as snoopeh in execution he isnt nearly as heavy, because at least he levels up, while snoopeh is always underleveled, always wasting time doing nothing, stealing xp from lanes and i even remeber a game where his mid/top were crushing and he baited botlane to feed triple kill.
Also krepo looks worse than he is because pete has literally 0 confidence and this affects his plays and his confidence too. I wouldnt be suprpised if he turned into a semi-godlike support paired with a good and confident adc.
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On April 06 2014 09:59 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills).
That may be true, but look at Coast. Zion is the reason Coast turned around a terrible opening with 1 complete anchor and a bot lane who is impressively mediocre. Yellowpete and Krepo are no worse than Wiz and Daydreaming. Snoopeh is about as bad Nintendude, but Shiptur has played better than Pobelter consistently. One allstar player can definitely completely change the feel of a team and make them much stronger.
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On April 06 2014 09:59 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills).
EG isn't playing against Korean teams. Faker could 1v5 against the bottom NA teams while microing his teammates well enough to allow himself to do that
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On April 06 2014 09:53 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... pobes makes some good plays like I said, and usually he does pretty well in lane, he just gets ganked a lot because not having a jungler kinda sucks. He's the only one I'd say for sure is playing on an lcs level. It's hard to look good when your whole team loses each of their positions. Remember when they killed wizfujin 3 times in that game vs. CST, and yellowpete still had less of an impact lol? or when snoopeh played eve vs. c9 i think? and would just run around in c9's jungle not doing anything?
I honestly think that Pete is one of if not the worst player in the LCS, others who have been non-factors were nervous new players (Jesiz's early game being a great example), but Pete's one of the most experienced of players there. I feel sorry for Krepo being shackled to him for so long (I can still remember in S2 where he was the 3rd priority for farm on CLG.EU... we can see why). Also, unlike Snoopeh and Krepo he's not a big presence out of game (interviews, casting, social media stuff) so I'm just confused why EG keep him around (especially after RobertXLee was subbing for them and played really damn well).
Innox either plays with a solo queue "I must solo carry this" mentality or the team's decisions suck (last week when he had Lee with TP up and split push while the opponent killed 4 and took an inhib.... if that was a team call it was awful).
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On April 06 2014 10:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
hasnt snoopeh always been considered awful? last game i watched of nintendude he made so many dumb decisions it just boggled my mind. another thing i'd like to see is IWD replaced by stv or anything jungle on curse, cause iwd is just fucking terrible.
Snoopy was adequate in the era of support junglers. He never progressed past that which means hes been mostly useless ever since.
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On April 06 2014 10:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
hasnt snoopeh always been considered awful? last game i watched of nintendude he made so many dumb decisions it just boggled my mind. another thing i'd like to see is IWD replaced by stv or anything jungle on curse, cause iwd is just fucking terrible.
wat, dominate has been playing pretty well honestly. At least his smites are on point lol.
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Good pick/ban phase for C9. Guaranteed Renekton.
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On April 06 2014 10:02 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:59 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:57 MattBarry wrote:On April 06 2014 09:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start... You can't win alone in teamgames. Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz. I don't know man. If Faker could speak English, EG could probably get like 4th You're underestimating how important all the other players on SKT are imo. For example Bengi sets up so many of the kills for the team (iirc in the article I wrote for Worlds Review he sets up like 80+% of the early game kills and most of them aren't even mid lane kills). That may be true, but look at Coast. Zion is the reason Coast turned around a terrible opening with 1 complete anchor and a bot lane who is impressively mediocre. Yellowpete and Krepo are no worse than Wiz and Daydreaming. Snoopeh is about as bad Nintendude, but Shiptur has played better than Pobelter consistently. One allstar player can definitely completely change the feel of a team and make them much stronger.
nah, wiz has been stepping it up lately, especially the last game against dig. I've never NEVER seen yellowpete carry a game.
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