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On April 06 2014 09:38 Crusnik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:36 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:36 KissBlade wrote:
Aside from Pobelter, EG's and skillshots are like anathema. I think you mean anemic (as in weak, flimsy)? Anathema is more like a riddle. Hm. Actually that kinda works too? "Fuck it, full on 2ez4rtz mode even though we aren't as good as our Doto brothers" It's so heartwringing to watch EG, on the one hand I love the personalities of Snoopeh and Mitch, but they aren't good enough to be in LCS :/
Krepo actually is pretty good. Snoopeh is...well. Yeah
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 06 2014 09:39 Tula wrote:
I'm not sure why everyone is such a fan of the EG solo lanes, frankly pobelter and Innox haven't carried any game in a while.
Snoopeh's elise was lackluster at best, i'm not sure if he hit a more than 10% of his cocoons. All in all they definitely deserve to face relegation.
I hadn't seen anyone here who was the fan of Innox. He's just little version of ZionSpartan but carries less.
Pobelter and Krepo are doing well whole season, i wonder how hard does Pobelter rage sometimes after games, especially after Riven game vs Curse.
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Lol CLG confirmed trolling vs curse. Which actually makes a lot of sense for their playoff bracket.
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On April 06 2014 09:40 boesthius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:39 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:37 boesthius wrote:it's only a matter of time before EG gets relegated, which sucks because i love krepo and snoopeh  but they don't deserve to be in the lcs with their play, even before they had to play with their subs. EG is kinda playing like they did in Season 2/3 except everyone else is better, and they also don't have Froggen to carry for them. yeah that's what it looks like to me, just with as you said - everyone is a lot better. i feel really bad for pobelter because he's really fucking good. i wonder if he's going to stay with EG after the split or if EG are going to rotate all the original members out.
There might be no EG team at all if the current one gets relegated and stops existing.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 06 2014 09:40 boesthius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:39 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:37 boesthius wrote:it's only a matter of time before EG gets relegated, which sucks because i love krepo and snoopeh but they don't deserve to be in the lcs with their play, even before they had to play with their subs. EG is kinda playing like they did in Season 2/3 except everyone else is better, and they also don't have Froggen to carry for them. yeah that's what it looks like to me, just with as you said - everyone is a lot better. i feel really bad for pobelter because he's really fucking good. i wonder if he's going to stay with EG after the split or if EG are going to rotate all the original members out.
Pobelter has been known as a pretty good player since... Season 1 even I think. And everyone was like "when this kid finally grows up he's going to be terror".
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United States11637 Posts
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On April 06 2014 09:36 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:36 KissBlade wrote:
Aside from Pobelter, EG's and skillshots are like anathema. I think you mean anemic (as in weak, flimsy)? Anathema is more like a riddle. Hm. Actually that kinda works too?
I think you mixed it up with enigma  Which admittedly also fits haha.
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Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
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On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
Mostly agree but Innox has no business playing top lane in LCS with his current champion pool. Also shows that he is not even willing to practise and adapt to what is necessary.
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On April 06 2014 09:42 boesthius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:41 Redox wrote:On April 06 2014 09:40 boesthius wrote:On April 06 2014 09:39 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:37 boesthius wrote:it's only a matter of time before EG gets relegated, which sucks because i love krepo and snoopeh but they don't deserve to be in the lcs with their play, even before they had to play with their subs. EG is kinda playing like they did in Season 2/3 except everyone else is better, and they also don't have Froggen to carry for them. yeah that's what it looks like to me, just with as you said - everyone is a lot better. i feel really bad for pobelter because he's really fucking good. i wonder if he's going to stay with EG after the split or if EG are going to rotate all the original members out. Their might be no EG team at all if the current one gets relegated and stops existing. yeah that's actually what i thought after i wrote that comment. i'm not a huge fan of EG as an organization but it would be sad to see them out of LoL.
I wouldnt be surprised if EG bought an LCS team if there current one gets relegated out.
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On April 06 2014 09:39 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:37 boesthius wrote:it's only a matter of time before EG gets relegated, which sucks because i love krepo and snoopeh but they don't deserve to be in the lcs with their play, even before they had to play with their subs. EG is kinda playing like they did in Season 2/3 except everyone else is better, and they also don't have Froggen to carry for them.
not sure if that is the way I'd describe it. This game for example was a random mess of terrible decisions starting from the draft. Teleport on Nida makes no sense at all, heck the entire nidalee pick didn't make any sense. Yes he farmed decently against Nien, but frankly most top laners can do better against a shyvana. They had 0 kill potential thanks to his teleport, so snoopeh couldn't gank top.
Mid, pobelter spent the entire early game pushing link in, which led to 12 cs advantadge at some point, but also meant snoopeh couldn't gank that lane either.
Botlane he sat in a bush waiting for something to happen, but double/aphro played it safe in the early game so nothing of note could happen there either (except for a hell of a lot of wasted time).
If you want to pick such poke lanes (and frankly I don't agree with Nida top, ziggs cait alone have enough poke for most scenarios and someone in your comp better be able to fight or you get run over) why would you pick elise as a jungler instead of something which helps disengage. Heck their entire lineup was basically built around avoiding straight up fights, so what does elise add to that? Is she supposed to dive solo into the backline? Or just stick to casterform and throw a volatile spider and cocoon?
Basically I'm still unsure what EG's strategy was supposed to be. A full out poke combo might sound nice on paper, but against leona and shyvana (with orianna ball for added umpf) it seems like a fairly terrible plan.
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On April 06 2014 09:45 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
Mostly agree but Innox has no business playing top lane in LCS with his current champion pool. Also shows that he is not even willing to practise and adapt to what is necessary.
yeah his champ pool needs tweaked for sure, if he plays more meta picks im sure he could be decent, surely he's on the same level as nien (lol). Really sucks for EG that they're forced to play weird comps with only one sole tank, or even no tank sometimes.
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"Cluster Fights" will be the new buzz word.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
If Pete had bigger balls, he would have wrecked. But no. Still better than Zuna.
And Snoopeh > NintendudeX every day in the week.
Those 3 with Krepo, they're like absolute difference of utility - we won't carry, we rarely feed. It was same in CLG.EU/EG(1) and it's same in EG(2), just Froggen and Wickd > Pobelter and Innox.
But Pobelter is very legit, this season just showcased it even more. If there is one guy who can save EG, it will be him.
I have no idea why do Innox keep playing this weird stuff, probably EG were like - we're relegated anyway, get what you want.
Because when he plays guys like Mundo, he rarely fails.
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On April 06 2014 09:47 Cixah wrote:
"Cluster Fights" will be the new buzz word.
Too bad "clustered fight" is probably what they're actually looking for (and it still sounds gimmicky).
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On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while.
Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start...
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On April 06 2014 09:49 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:47 Cixah wrote:
"Cluster Fights" will be the new buzz word. Too bad "clustered fight" is probably what they're actually looking for (and it still sounds gimmicky).
I'm pretty sure he wanted to say clusterfuck
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On April 06 2014 09:49 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:47 Cixah wrote:
"Cluster Fights" will be the new buzz word. Too bad "clustered fight" is probably what they're actually looking for (and it still sounds gimmicky).
I still think it stupid and is infered in my head as Cluster Fuck. Skirmish was probably the better word there imo.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 06 2014 09:46 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:39 MoonBear wrote:On April 06 2014 09:37 boesthius wrote:it's only a matter of time before EG gets relegated, which sucks because i love krepo and snoopeh but they don't deserve to be in the lcs with their play, even before they had to play with their subs. EG is kinda playing like they did in Season 2/3 except everyone else is better, and they also don't have Froggen to carry for them. not sure if that is the way I'd describe it. This game for example was a random mess of terrible decisions starting from the draft. Teleport on Nida makes no sense at all, heck the entire nidalee pick didn't make any sense. Yes he farmed decently against Nien, but frankly most top laners can do better against a shyvana. They had 0 kill potential thanks to his teleport, so snoopeh couldn't gank top. Mid, pobelter spent the entire early game pushing link in, which led to 12 cs advantadge at some point, but also meant snoopeh couldn't gank that lane either. Botlane he sat in a bush waiting for something to happen, but double/aphro played it safe in the early game so nothing of note could happen there either (except for a hell of a lot of wasted time). If you want to pick such poke lanes (and frankly I don't agree with Nida top, ziggs cait alone have enough poke for most scenarios and someone in your comp better be able to fight or you get run over) why would you pick elise as a jungler instead of something which helps disengage. Heck their entire lineup was basically built around avoiding straight up fights, so what does elise add to that? Is she supposed to dive solo into the backline? Or just stick to casterform and throw a volatile spider and cocoon? Basically I'm still unsure what EG's strategy was supposed to be. A full out poke combo might sound nice on paper, but against leona and shyvana (with orianna ball for added umpf) it seems like a fairly terrible plan.
Not having things like kill or poke top is ok since if you're going for poke heavy what you're aiming to do is take control and then shove your poke into the other team's face. Elise is an ok pick but should have probably tried camping mid instead of bot and also spending less time hiding in bushes doing nothing and farming instead. EG's comp could have been better but I don't think it was bad per say.
IMO for this game their play specifically was a much bigger factor since they wasted lots of time just not doing anything and letting CLG control the map. Since they couldn't set up situations where they were just playing tug-of-war ARAM poke they got punished for it since CLG went for objectives like Baron and made EG come and engage them. The lack of vision meant that EG had to rush in blind in panic instead of dancing and poking as well.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 06 2014 09:49 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:43 IMoperator wrote:
Here's my rundown of EG's team:
innox - he's alright, sometimes he does decent but most of the time he's mediocre, still a new player so he has time to grow.
snoopeh - bad, like nintendudex levels of bad
pobelter - best on the team, has moments of brilliance, hopefully stays in LCS because he seems like he can shine with a good team.
yellowpete - nonexistant, any adc would be an upgrade, even zuna
krepo - makes some good plays once in a while, but gets caught a lot doing stupid shit
pobelter and possibly krepo/innox are the only ones playing on an lcs level atm.
I'm not sure if your watching the same games we just were. I know pobelter is everybodys darling and we must love and praise him etc. etc. but he hasn't done any carrying in a while. Innox sometimes does well in lane (his lee games last week come to mind) but his impact on teamfights is soso at best. Today for example he didn't land a single critical spear and his decision to take tp on nida still boggles my mind, the poke better be there before the fights actually start...
You can't win alone in teamgames.
Even if you put Faker instead of Pobelter into EG, EG won't suddenly get 10 more victories ezpz.
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