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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 16 2014 20:33 GMT
#861
voyboy started boots on vlad to dodge barrels last time i tried that i still ate every Q and got stomped , dont think its possible to dodge them unless you use ms quints lol
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:34:30
February 16 2014 20:34 GMT
#862
On February 17 2014 05:30 Chicane wrote:
Wow no one believes in XDG! :O I can't blame them, but it's not like Curse has looked that great. Better? Yes... but still 83% is surprising.


I would believe in XDG more if they actually had their JUNGLER WHERE HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE (Xmithie)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:35:08
February 16 2014 20:34 GMT
#863
On February 17 2014 05:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:31 Fusilero wrote:
I will say this about LMQ, people overstate that ackerman made the world finals, he's not some kind of god tier top laner I don't think he's actually that much better than dyrus/balls but like the rest of royal he had a freak overperformance at worlds, he's a mediocre Chinese top which is probabaly good for NA. I still believe LMQ will make LCS and do well but ackerman is already being overrated from what I've read

LMQ is not top 3 LCS material. People are overestimating them just because they dumpster challenger teams.
The discrepancy between challenger and LCS teams is pretty huge. Just look at how hard Coast romped on teams during the off season and how they're doing now.

LMQ getting new roster if they get into LCS tho.
On February 17 2014 05:33 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:31 Fusilero wrote:
I will say this about LMQ, people overstate that ackerman made the world finals, he's not some kind of god tier top laner I don't think he's actually that much better than dyrus/balls but like the rest of royal he had a freak overperformance at worlds, he's a mediocre Chinese top which is probabaly good for NA. I still believe LMQ will make LCS and do well but ackerman is already being overrated from what I've read

are people actually hyping him? From what I've heard, it's their botlane that's insanely godly.

I see lots of "They have the world finalist top laner he's gonna dominate" which is really overstated, their bot lane definitely lives up to their hype though.

He's on a shortlist of good toplaners in NA though; so it's not too far from truth.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:36:00
February 16 2014 20:35 GMT
#864
On February 17 2014 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:31 Fusilero wrote:
I will say this about LMQ, people overstate that ackerman made the world finals, he's not some kind of god tier top laner I don't think he's actually that much better than dyrus/balls but like the rest of royal he had a freak overperformance at worlds, he's a mediocre Chinese top which is probabaly good for NA. I still believe LMQ will make LCS and do well but ackerman is already being overrated from what I've read

LMQ is not top 3 LCS material. People are overestimating them just because they dumpster challenger teams.
The discrepancy between challenger and LCS teams is pretty huge. Just look at how hard Coast romped on teams during the off season and how they're doing now.

LMQ getting new roster if they get into LCS tho.

Uzi mid didn't seem really good, if he was ADC again it'd be great but since he can't play without tabe it's pretty meh. I really don't think uzi will actually be an improvement that much over xaiowexaio if they really bring him over.
Maybe he'll do better on a different team from zombie royal idk.
Glorious SEA doto
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 16 2014 20:35 GMT
#865
On February 17 2014 05:22 ketchup wrote:
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On February 17 2014 05:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:
LMQ are overrated.


You're crazy. LMQ look amazing no matter where I see them. There's going against hype, and then there's just plain ignoring evidence.

Your evidence involves the use of the NA challenger scene. I hope you realize this is the same scene that gets dumpstered by coast.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 16 2014 20:37 GMT
#866
OMG VLAD!! too bad gragas shits on everyone and especially him
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
February 16 2014 20:38 GMT
#867
On February 17 2014 05:33 kongoline wrote:
voyboy started boots on vlad to dodge barrels last time i tried that i still ate every Q and got stomped , dont think its possible to dodge them unless you use ms quints lol

...but you should be using MS quints lol
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 16 2014 20:38 GMT
#868
On February 17 2014 05:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:22 ketchup wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:
LMQ are overrated.


You're crazy. LMQ look amazing no matter where I see them. There's going against hype, and then there's just plain ignoring evidence.

Your evidence involves the use of the NA challenger scene. I hope you realize this is the same scene that gets dumpstered by coast.


Yeah I don't think anyone can jump the gun and call it "evidence" of how good they are. They do seem to be doing better than Coast and I would guess they could beat Coast pretty easily in a bo5, but at the same time I don't think it makes sense to call them beating challenger teams "evidence".
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 16 2014 20:38 GMT
#869
On February 17 2014 05:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:31 Fusilero wrote:
I will say this about LMQ, people overstate that ackerman made the world finals, he's not some kind of god tier top laner I don't think he's actually that much better than dyrus/balls but like the rest of royal he had a freak overperformance at worlds, he's a mediocre Chinese top which is probabaly good for NA. I still believe LMQ will make LCS and do well but ackerman is already being overrated from what I've read

LMQ is not top 3 LCS material. People are overestimating them just because they dumpster challenger teams.
The discrepancy between challenger and LCS teams is pretty huge. Just look at how hard Coast romped on teams during the off season and how they're doing now.

Idk, third place is CLG and Dig sooooo...

Jokes aside, you are right, it's incredibly hard to judge when there aren't any head to head results. There were those Ranked 5s games they played against TSM and they won one and lost two but that's much different than a real competitive environment. They are at least better than Quantic...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
February 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#870
On February 17 2014 05:26 kongoline wrote:
so panth is perma banned in tournaments didnt think he is that strong :o


well his kit is inherently strong. i played the highest elo of dominion for a long time now and the champions with inherently strong fighting kits (not counting the sololaners) always become strong on summoners rift after their farming/laning limitations get worked around.

the biggest offenders (nearly always picked or banned) last 18 months were: khazix, wukong, kassadin, rammus, leona, leblanc, fizz, lulu, pantheon, akali, katarina, amumu, vi, poppy, jayce

a lot of them have later got discovered on summoners rift and subsequently nerfed
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#871
On February 17 2014 05:39 Affenaffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:26 kongoline wrote:
so panth is perma banned in tournaments didnt think he is that strong :o


well his kit is inherently strong. i played the highest elo of dominion for a long time now and the champions with inherently strong fighting kits (not counting the sololaners) always become strong on summoners rift after their farming/laning limitations get worked around.

the biggest offenders (nearly always picked or banned) last 18 months were: khazix, wukong, kassadin, rammus, leona, leblanc, fizz, lulu, pantheon, akali, katarina, amumu, vi, poppy, jayce

a lot of them have later got discovered on summoners rift and subsequently nerfed

dominion and high elo lol
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:42:04
February 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#872
On February 17 2014 05:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:33 kongoline wrote:
voyboy started boots on vlad to dodge barrels last time i tried that i still ate every Q and got stomped , dont think its possible to dodge them unless you use ms quints lol

...but you should be using MS quints lol

i really like them late game but ur early game sucks so hard without ap, mid u probably can go with ms in every match up but top (where i mainly play) u want bully champions like jax or nasus and without extra ap its very hard to win trades
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#873
On February 17 2014 05:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:30 Sufficiency wrote:
I am not convinced Pantheon is that strong. Like TF/Noc/etc. he is just annoying to play against due to his semi-global.

It's the same reason why teams banned TF for so much of S3.
Global means it's going to be strong with some comps. zzz


I actually feel TF was legit strong in S3.

The difference I feel about TF and Pantheon is that TF has a very smooth transition into the late game. TF scaled fairly well and his W provides a lot of CC for the team at a distance. TF is also AP so Zhonya's is available. Pantheon is melee yet he is sort of an assassin; he is a lot harder to itemize and his late game is a bit bland.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
February 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#874
On February 17 2014 05:39 Affenaffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:26 kongoline wrote:
so panth is perma banned in tournaments didnt think he is that strong :o


well his kit is inherently strong. i played the highest elo of dominion for a long time now and the champions with inherently strong fighting kits (not counting the sololaners) always become strong on summoners rift after their farming/laning limitations get worked around.

the biggest offenders (nearly always picked or banned) last 18 months were: khazix, wukong, kassadin, rammus, leona, leblanc, fizz, lulu, pantheon, akali, katarina, amumu, vi, poppy, jayce

a lot of them have later got discovered on summoners rift and subsequently nerfed

Does this mean Talon will be seen again on SR? :O
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
February 16 2014 20:41 GMT
#875
Why is Quas trinket warding the river with Vi in vision near bot lane?
日本語が分かりますか
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 16 2014 20:42 GMT
#876
So many technical issues. God damnit LCS
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 16 2014 20:42 GMT
#877
On February 17 2014 05:41 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Why is Quas trinket warding the river with Vi in vision near bot lane?

Solo queue habits > watching mini map + talking in voice chat
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
February 16 2014 20:43 GMT
#878
How this even possible that in every game in LCS are problems?
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
February 16 2014 20:43 GMT
#879
On February 17 2014 05:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:41 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Why is Quas trinket warding the river with Vi in vision near bot lane?

Solo queue habits > watching mini map + talking in voice chat


That's what I thought. He gave up so much pressure on Trundle by walking away to ward unnecessarily.
日本語が分かりますか
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:45:05
February 16 2014 20:44 GMT
#880
Curse really favours the manaless mids this week.
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