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On September 27 2013 07:40 Roffles wrote: Plz, why you guys bring up NA teams into this conversation? They're all bad, especially ones that didn't even get into Worlds. CLG < Gama Bears. Steak would eat Doublelift alive. Steak would eat anything though
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i think it's hard for a korean team to surprise t1. they've got the 'beat korean teams' part down
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On September 27 2013 01:15 Alaric wrote: Hm... Annie has an around 8s cd on her stun (if she uses all spells she has 3 charges at the end of the rotation, then 4s for Q, then either another 4 or the end of W's 8s cd to have the next stun ready). I'd argue that a bunch of champions have close cooldowns on their combos/cc, but they actually require levels and/or CDR to do so (Fiddle, Leona, etc.) while Annie having all flat cooldowns means she has access to that "8s cd stun" as soon as level 6, which isn't too far behind Ahri hitting 6 herself.
And since supports don't get to buy CDR at the competitive level, she remains amongst the top if you need a short cd point'n'click hard cc. Makes sense.
Also worth noting is that both of these stuns can be aoe, and Tibbers has a potential range of 890.
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On September 27 2013 07:47 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 07:40 Roffles wrote: Plz, why you guys bring up NA teams into this conversation? They're all bad, especially ones that didn't even get into Worlds. CLG < Gama Bears. Steak would eat Doublelift alive. Steak would eat anything though And I would eat steak.
Maybe not alive but rare.
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i love all the teams left in the tournament right now but i feel like if it was SKT vs FNC it would be the most hyped finals of all possible match ups.
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3-1 SKT T1 3-1 Royal
Don't expect either series to be very close but too much respect for Fnatic and Sword to think they can't win a game.
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On September 27 2013 09:36 LaM wrote: 3-1 SKT T1 3-1 Royal
Don't expect either series to be very close but too much respect for Fnatic and Sword to think they can't win a game.
That's how I'm feeling abou thtem as well. 3-1 SKT and 3-1 Royal, at this point there won't be any shutouts but neither Fnatic nor Sword are good enough to keep with this quality of team in a full Bo5 series.
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On September 27 2013 09:46 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:36 LaM wrote: 3-1 SKT T1 3-1 Royal
Don't expect either series to be very close but too much respect for Fnatic and Sword to think they can't win a game. That's how I'm feeling abou thtem as well. 3-1 SKT and 3-1 Royal, at this point there won't be any shutouts but neither Fnatic nor Sword are good enough to keep with this quality of team in a full Bo5 series.
I feel like Sword has a 30% chance of winning game 1. If they don't manage that then it will be an easy 3-0 for SKT.
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On September 27 2013 07:12 Amui wrote: Well I think the defining factor is probably going to be nagne's champion pool.
He played ahri, and then with ahri, zed, kass and fizz banned, he went to nidalee of all champions.
In NLB(was he playing then?) Zed, Karthus, TF, ori.
with ahri/zed permabanned, and probably 2-3 more midlane targeted bans, nagne will run out of comfort champs before faker does, so we'll get to see how much practice he's gotten on those picks.
maybe they'll play ssong who has spent this entire time mastering 5 super random champs for these 5 games
viktor ap rengar galio heimer midwick
#believe
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On September 27 2013 09:46 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:36 LaM wrote: 3-1 SKT T1 3-1 Royal
Don't expect either series to be very close but too much respect for Fnatic and Sword to think they can't win a game. That's how I'm feeling abou thtem as well. 3-1 SKT and 3-1 Royal, at this point there won't be any shutouts but neither Fnatic nor Sword are good enough to keep with this quality of team in a full Bo5 series.
Pff Fanatic will take it 3-2, they are on the same lvl as the other worldclass teams there ..
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i think fnatic were actually at an advantage overall. however i believe in tabe and co to bring out the win.
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On September 27 2013 07:12 Amui wrote: Well I think the defining factor is probably going to be nagne's champion pool.
He played ahri, and then with ahri, zed, kass and fizz banned, he went to nidalee of all champions.
In NLB(was he playing then?) Zed, Karthus, TF, ori.
with ahri/zed permabanned, and probably 2-3 more midlane targeted bans, nagne will run out of comfort champs before faker does, so we'll get to see how much practice he's gotten on those picks.
Pretty sure nidalee was quite central to the poke comp they ran for that game.
Keen for more pray + cain, holy smokes they are good. PraY underrated with all this piglet imp hype
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I think fnatic will win if Royal targets the botlane too much. Also, fnatic's team fighting is really good which Royal tries to push all the time.
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On September 27 2013 14:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think fnatic will win if Royal targets the botlane too much. Also, fnatic's team fighting is really good which Royal tries to push all the time. Why would Royal target botlane? It would be the other way around.
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SKT > NJS 3-1
Sword is the type of team that has huge potential and are unbeatable on their good days, but since they are so wildly inconsistent, I favor SKT in a Bo5. I am extremely curious about the bot lane matchup since Pray/Cain owned Genja/Voidle so badly ... but Piglet/ManDu are in a whole different class compared to the Russians., If NaJin wins game 1, they have a really good chance to win the series 3-0 since they are so streaky.
FNC > Royal 3-2
Fnatic is the one team that I imagine Royal having a lot of difficulty with. If Fnatic brings any teleport spells, they can capitalize on the risky plays that Royal can take from time to time. This series is hard to call imo. Royal will have to respect the teleports which will force them to play a bit more passively compared to normal. Many teams have mentioned that playing Fnatic is a unique experience and can be hard to deal with. On the other hand, the same can be said for Royal, which is why I think this will be 3-2. So hard to call, mind says Fnatic, heart says Royal.
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On September 27 2013 14:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 14:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think fnatic will win if Royal targets the botlane too much. Also, fnatic's team fighting is really good which Royal tries to push all the time. Why would Royal target botlane? It would be the other way around. To try and get uzi ahead. But they also might pull out their 2v1 mid lane which would be good. If they can nullify teleports then half the work is done already.
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On September 27 2013 15:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 14:48 wei2coolman wrote:On September 27 2013 14:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think fnatic will win if Royal targets the botlane too much. Also, fnatic's team fighting is really good which Royal tries to push all the time. Why would Royal target botlane? It would be the other way around. To try and get uzi ahead. But they also might pull out their 2v1 mid lane which would be good. If they can nullify teleports then half the work is done already. Yango's already explained they don't need to try to get uzi ahead, he can catch up better than anyone even when Fnatic tries to focus on him. so they likely will just shut down peke.
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On September 27 2013 15:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 14:48 wei2coolman wrote:On September 27 2013 14:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think fnatic will win if Royal targets the botlane too much. Also, fnatic's team fighting is really good which Royal tries to push all the time. Why would Royal target botlane? It would be the other way around. To try and get uzi ahead. But they also might pull out their 2v1 mid lane which would be good. If they can nullify teleports then half the work is done already. They did no such thing for omg, doubt they'll try and force something for uzi. Uzi is more than capable of handling himself.
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Well, even if it isn't necessarily to get uzi ahead, if their lane is too aggressive after 6 it could be bad. Uzi and tabe really like to force all ins but if fnatic disengage it's typically a kill for free. If they want to get ahead in their lane they're gonna have to do it really early, and even afterwards they probably won't be able to force a bigger advantage off of it. Fnatic tend to babysit their bot lane a LOT. I personally think it's more of whether or not godlike and whitez can press their advantage against igniteless opponents.
it's also going to be a test of whether or not they can deal with fnatic's midgame splitpushing which they do to try and catch up and stall pushes. The chinese aren't typically known to finish their games quickly compared to koreans, and if they 5 man for too long without getting much done it might be bad. I know that they got really good 5 man fights against OMG but you need to realize fnatic and EU in general are a lot more passive and turtle quite a bit more. I'm hoping they keep kassadin banned unless they have a reaaally good answer, but xpeke has shown over and over that an early game lead doesn't mean much eventually.
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Getting uzi ahead would sacrifice whitezz or godlike though and they aren't as good at making themselves useful as uzi is. I think just banning kass and trying to get standard lanes and whitezz on one of his comfort assassins in 1v1 vs xpeke is a more likely strat.
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