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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
September 26 2013 07:50 GMT
#121
While Fnatic has been very impressive, it's hard to see them getting past Royal. SKT vs Najin will be very interesting, but I'm predicting SKT to get up.

I personally don't mind who gets through, just hoping for some really awesome games.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
September 26 2013 08:08 GMT
#122
Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
September 26 2013 08:24 GMT
#123
On September 26 2013 17:08 KissBlade wrote:
Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now.

i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 09:08:28
September 26 2013 09:01 GMT
#124
Meh, I feel like OMG and GG's botlanes lost them the series.


Edit:

Actually, C9's botlane also basically ensured they had no chance to win with the LVL 1 Double.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2013 09:11 GMT
#125
On September 26 2013 17:24 Shiznick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 17:08 KissBlade wrote:
Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now.

i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal.

A lot of that had to do with drafting Ahri against comps that Ahri isn't good against. They made that mistake 3 games in a row at Regionals, and I'm surprised they did it again coming to Worlds. The fact that they didn't actually learn now to draft against Royal despite having faced support Annie so many times makes me feel like they didn't deserve to go past this point, though.

A 6-0 Ahri's impact is really limited when she has to put all that damage on a support Annie if she doesn't want to get Tibbers-ed and killed.
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nikuniku
Profile Joined August 2013
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 09:56:56
September 26 2013 09:56 GMT
#126
On September 26 2013 18:11 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 17:24 Shiznick wrote:
On September 26 2013 17:08 KissBlade wrote:
Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now.

i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal.

A lot of that had to do with drafting Ahri against comps that Ahri isn't good against. They made that mistake 3 games in a row at Regionals, and I'm surprised they did it again coming to Worlds. The fact that they didn't actually learn now to draft against Royal despite having faced support Annie so many times makes me feel like they didn't deserve to go past this point, though.

A 6-0 Ahri's impact is really limited when she has to put all that damage on a support Annie if she doesn't want to get Tibbers-ed and killed.


No team in China has figured out counters to Royal's Annie support yet. Therefore the automatic Annie bans.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 26 2013 10:38 GMT
#127
On September 26 2013 18:56 nikuniku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 18:11 TheYango wrote:
On September 26 2013 17:24 Shiznick wrote:
On September 26 2013 17:08 KissBlade wrote:
Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now.

i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal.

A lot of that had to do with drafting Ahri against comps that Ahri isn't good against. They made that mistake 3 games in a row at Regionals, and I'm surprised they did it again coming to Worlds. The fact that they didn't actually learn now to draft against Royal despite having faced support Annie so many times makes me feel like they didn't deserve to go past this point, though.

A 6-0 Ahri's impact is really limited when she has to put all that damage on a support Annie if she doesn't want to get Tibbers-ed and killed.


No team in China has figured out counters to Royal's Annie support yet. Therefore the automatic Annie bans.


And Tabe then played a fantastic Sona, although I was pretty shocked that OMG chose to let it through in game 1(I'm assuming they thought some adjustment they had made would make a difference in outcome).

San had actually played well this tourney, but he is still most certainly the weak point on OMG and he pretty much ended their chances at Worlds with his misplays. Pomelo didn't do so hot either. Part of that can be attributed to facing Uzi/Tabe who are both world class to say the least, but still bittersweet to see them go in order for us to see more Royal games.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 26 2013 12:18 GMT
#128
I absolutely agree that San was quite lackluster in both of the games here. In the groups he seemed much much better, although his team helped with that alot(And the competition was mostly not nearly as good). Even so, he made just so so many misplays... For example, you got to know that Vlad has a Zhonyas before you dive him, that's a good play only if you weren't expecting the Zhonyas ... But you can see inventories and it is to be expected.

As for Fnatic vs Royal, I would say that if they give xPeke Kassadin Fnatic wins and if they don't, Royal wins.
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
September 26 2013 12:55 GMT
#129
Nah, San has never been very good for a Chinese ADC and has always been the weakest link of OMG along with bigpomelo. Yes, he does well in teamfights due to his positioning, but you have to remember lovelin and gogoing are fantastic initiators and Cool provides the biggest threat in most OMG fights, so he has plenty of room to move around - especially in winning games, i.e. 7 out of 8 group stage games.

I mean, he went even or sometimes even behind with western ADCs and was less impactful in lane than Piglet/Poohmandu against SKT.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 26 2013 12:56 GMT
#130
Triforce Varus doesn't deserve to move on lol.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 26 2013 14:17 GMT
#131
Hey, Yango, how is Annie different from, say, Fiddlesticks or Sona when it comes to stopping Ahri?
I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 26 2013 14:27 GMT
#132
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Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 14:51:07
September 26 2013 14:46 GMT
#133
On September 26 2013 23:17 Alaric wrote:
Hey, Yango, how is Annie different from, say, Fiddlesticks or Sona when it comes to stopping Ahri?
I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick?


I'm not yango but annie is an instant-cast instant stun that has very good range. You can't assassinate anyone except annie because ahri's assassination range is very reachable by annie. Sona has a delay on crescendo, which means you can dash out of it comparatively easily, and while fiddle's fear isn't THAT much shorter than tibbers on paper, it's enough to make a difference (not to mention you're giving up positioning for a crowstorm if you're sitting there playing bodyguard)

EDIT: What I'd really like to see against the one-shot the support when he/she's warding meta is a return of Alistar. Too bad as a melee support he's at an inherant disadvantage in a 1v2, though with the "return" (and by that I mean one person is playing her) of leona maybe someone will be bolder. You can't milk those.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 26 2013 15:33 GMT
#134
On September 26 2013 23:17 Alaric wrote:
Hey, Yango, how is Annie different from, say, Fiddlesticks or Sona when it comes to stopping Ahri?
I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick?

Fiddle's Fear has a lot lower effective range than any of Annie's spells, and Dark Wind is slow enough to allow a good Ahri to Flash/Zhonya/Spirit Rush to reposition. Same with Crescendo.

The other thing is this--think about how Ahri teamfights. Ahri isn't necessarily entirely about killing someone on her first combo. Typically she has this engage->disengage->re-engage pattern with her cooldowns. Most supports with appropriate hard disables have their disables on a fairly long cooldown (10-15 seconds). This actually isn't short enough to guarantee that they are up again for Ahri's second engagement. With Annie, you blow your full combo, Q again 4 seconds later, and you have a stun charged again. You're much more likely to have a stun ready for her second engagement, which means that she HAS to kill you the first time around.
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2670 Posts
September 26 2013 15:52 GMT
#135
After watching Royal vs OMG, I think that Semi-Final 2 has the possibility to be one of the best series we've seen in LoL. It all depends on how the games actually run. I see nothing about either team that suggests that one will stomp the other. If Fnatic can deal with the early game (which I'm confident they can) then it'll make a very interesting series. I'm very excited for this game, much more than I am for SKT vs Najin. There's a chance that the style clash (more fighty vs more safety) could mean one rolls the other, but based on EU vs CN games in the past, I'm excited.

The finals have lots of tantalising prospects for matchups too. Uzi vs Piglet, Poohmandu vs Yellowstar and Faker vs Peke are all pretty cool to think about. I'm sure there would be some good ones with Najin too.
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 15:55:51
September 26 2013 15:54 GMT
#136
On September 27 2013 00:52 Flicky wrote:
The finals have lots of tantalising prospects for matchups too. Uzi vs Piglet, Poohmandu vs Yellowstar and Faker vs Peke are all pretty cool to think about. I'm sure there would be some good ones with Najin too.


Expession vs Impact would be very cool to watch, but observers don't really pay attention to top lane.

Cain + Pray are on almost on par with Piglet and Poohmandu as well I believe.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 26 2013 16:10 GMT
#137
On September 27 2013 00:54 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 00:52 Flicky wrote:
The finals have lots of tantalising prospects for matchups too. Uzi vs Piglet, Poohmandu vs Yellowstar and Faker vs Peke are all pretty cool to think about. I'm sure there would be some good ones with Najin too.


Expession vs Impact would be very cool to watch, but observers don't really pay attention to top lane.

Cain + Pray are on almost on par with Piglet and Poohmandu as well I believe.


Good thing we'll see that in the semis.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 26 2013 16:15 GMT
#138
Hm... Annie has an around 8s cd on her stun (if she uses all spells she has 3 charges at the end of the rotation, then 4s for Q, then either another 4 or the end of W's 8s cd to have the next stun ready). I'd argue that a bunch of champions have close cooldowns on their combos/cc, but they actually require levels and/or CDR to do so (Fiddle, Leona, etc.) while Annie having all flat cooldowns means she has access to that "8s cd stun" as soon as level 6, which isn't too far behind Ahri hitting 6 herself.

And since supports don't get to buy CDR at the competitive level, she remains amongst the top if you need a short cd point'n'click hard cc. Makes sense.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 26 2013 16:19 GMT
#139
3-0 SKT
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 26 2013 16:37 GMT
#140
hype hype hype

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