EPTI personally don't mind who gets through, just hoping for some really awesome games.
[S3 Worlds] Semifinals - Page 7
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
I personally don't mind who gets through, just hoping for some really awesome games. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On September 26 2013 17:08 KissBlade wrote: Seeing the Cool vs Faker duels leads me to think it'll be awhile before anything can top that. Cool legitimately may well hold the 2nd best mid laner in the World right now. i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Edit: Actually, C9's botlane also basically ensured they had no chance to win with the LVL 1 Double. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 26 2013 17:24 Shiznick wrote: i felt like cool disappointed a bit against royal. A lot of that had to do with drafting Ahri against comps that Ahri isn't good against. They made that mistake 3 games in a row at Regionals, and I'm surprised they did it again coming to Worlds. The fact that they didn't actually learn now to draft against Royal despite having faced support Annie so many times makes me feel like they didn't deserve to go past this point, though. A 6-0 Ahri's impact is really limited when she has to put all that damage on a support Annie if she doesn't want to get Tibbers-ed and killed. | ||
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nikuniku
212 Posts
On September 26 2013 18:11 TheYango wrote: A lot of that had to do with drafting Ahri against comps that Ahri isn't good against. They made that mistake 3 games in a row at Regionals, and I'm surprised they did it again coming to Worlds. The fact that they didn't actually learn now to draft against Royal despite having faced support Annie so many times makes me feel like they didn't deserve to go past this point, though. A 6-0 Ahri's impact is really limited when she has to put all that damage on a support Annie if she doesn't want to get Tibbers-ed and killed. No team in China has figured out counters to Royal's Annie support yet. Therefore the automatic Annie bans. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On September 26 2013 18:56 nikuniku wrote: No team in China has figured out counters to Royal's Annie support yet. Therefore the automatic Annie bans. And Tabe then played a fantastic Sona, although I was pretty shocked that OMG chose to let it through in game 1(I'm assuming they thought some adjustment they had made would make a difference in outcome). San had actually played well this tourney, but he is still most certainly the weak point on OMG and he pretty much ended their chances at Worlds with his misplays. Pomelo didn't do so hot either. Part of that can be attributed to facing Uzi/Tabe who are both world class to say the least, but still bittersweet to see them go in order for us to see more Royal games. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
As for Fnatic vs Royal, I would say that if they give xPeke Kassadin Fnatic wins and if they don't, Royal wins. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
I mean, he went even or sometimes even behind with western ADCs and was less impactful in lane than Piglet/Poohmandu against SKT. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + am i doin it rite? | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:17 Alaric wrote: Hey, Yango, how is Annie different from, say, Fiddlesticks or Sona when it comes to stopping Ahri? I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick? I'm not yango but annie is an instant-cast instant stun that has very good range. You can't assassinate anyone except annie because ahri's assassination range is very reachable by annie. Sona has a delay on crescendo, which means you can dash out of it comparatively easily, and while fiddle's fear isn't THAT much shorter than tibbers on paper, it's enough to make a difference (not to mention you're giving up positioning for a crowstorm if you're sitting there playing bodyguard) EDIT: What I'd really like to see against the one-shot the support when he/she's warding meta is a return of Alistar. Too bad as a melee support he's at an inherant disadvantage in a 1v2, though with the "return" (and by that I mean one person is playing her) of leona maybe someone will be bolder. You can't milk those. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 26 2013 23:17 Alaric wrote: Hey, Yango, how is Annie different from, say, Fiddlesticks or Sona when it comes to stopping Ahri? I see some evident points (Annie can initiate, while Sona has to wait for Ahri to burn a dash, and Annie contributes more to a fight once Tibbers is dropped through bodyblocking, incidental AoE and additional stuns; Fiddle is squishy as heck, has weak levels 3-4 and less range than Annie both on autos and spells), but aren't they also more "broad" supports who are less likely to be banned when you want to keep options open against a possible Ahri pick? Fiddle's Fear has a lot lower effective range than any of Annie's spells, and Dark Wind is slow enough to allow a good Ahri to Flash/Zhonya/Spirit Rush to reposition. Same with Crescendo. The other thing is this--think about how Ahri teamfights. Ahri isn't necessarily entirely about killing someone on her first combo. Typically she has this engage->disengage->re-engage pattern with her cooldowns. Most supports with appropriate hard disables have their disables on a fairly long cooldown (10-15 seconds). This actually isn't short enough to guarantee that they are up again for Ahri's second engagement. With Annie, you blow your full combo, Q again 4 seconds later, and you have a stun charged again. You're much more likely to have a stun ready for her second engagement, which means that she HAS to kill you the first time around. | ||
Flicky
England2675 Posts
The finals have lots of tantalising prospects for matchups too. Uzi vs Piglet, Poohmandu vs Yellowstar and Faker vs Peke are all pretty cool to think about. I'm sure there would be some good ones with Najin too. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:52 Flicky wrote: The finals have lots of tantalising prospects for matchups too. Uzi vs Piglet, Poohmandu vs Yellowstar and Faker vs Peke are all pretty cool to think about. I'm sure there would be some good ones with Najin too. Expession vs Impact would be very cool to watch, but observers don't really pay attention to top lane. Cain + Pray are on almost on par with Piglet and Poohmandu as well I believe. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 27 2013 00:54 ketchup wrote: Expession vs Impact would be very cool to watch, but observers don't really pay attention to top lane. Cain + Pray are on almost on par with Piglet and Poohmandu as well I believe. Good thing we'll see that in the semis.  | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And since supports don't get to buy CDR at the competitive level, she remains amongst the top if you need a short cd point'n'click hard cc. Makes sense. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
3-0 Royal | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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