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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 20 2013 06:26 GMT
#10441
On September 20 2013 15:23 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:22 Chexx wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:21 Waxangel wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:16 Thurken wrote:
On September 20 2013 14:58 Fionn wrote:
Ozone had the game.

Dade threw it away. End of story.

That's not objective and belittles Fnatic's play. They surely could have won the game without that double Dade gank. But if you're a Ozone fan, you can say that


fionn is a silly korea fanboy, don't pay him any heed

I agree with Fionn.
These two free kills totally shifted the momentum.


you're also a silly korea fanboy!


Well, there is a difference between throwing a game and throwing a lead. Dade definitely threw away the lead, but the game was far from decisive. I mean if Ozone played perfectly after their 2-0, yes, they would probably win. But that is like saying whoever gives FB has threw away the game.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 20 2013 06:26 GMT
#10442
wtf?

that was ... well, um .

bad
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 20 2013 06:26 GMT
#10443
Vulcun looking to end mineski as fast as possible after the shamefurrr dispray last time.
liftlift > tsm
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 20 2013 06:26 GMT
#10444
Well this game lasted 90s.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10445
Poor Mineski. At least they get to go to disneyland.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10446
Anyways Thanks Fnatic for giving me my 2nd Morning wood, waking up at 4am too hard.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10447
On September 20 2013 15:26 Fionn wrote:
Ozone apparently crushed teams like OMG in scrims with Looper. So they went with him. I mean, you can't blame Looper for their losses -- Imp and most importantly Dade being the main people getting caught and playing poorly -- but Homme was their voice and captain of the team. If Looper is just going to play Zac and Shen, champions that Homme plays, then there is really no point to keeping him out.

It's been a gigantic mess for Samsung this tournament. Lack of preparation and Dade's champion pool have been the death of them.


From what I know about Imp personality is that he just cared a huge amount less after Dade failed
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NatusPrinceps
Profile Joined August 2013
192 Posts
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10448
On September 20 2013 15:25 wei2coolman wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:24 NatusPrinceps wrote:
I'm getting some sick twisted pleasure out of seeing dade suck so fucking hard.

Mainly because I hate kkoma and his fucking attitude.
Seriously this guy got so butthurt over regi calling dade bad and now dade is the guy who is making korea look like a joke.

I really hate kkoma.

Wut, kkoma is skt's coach right?



Yea he's that guy who failed at SC2 then failed in Startale LoL and yea he's a pretty damn good coach but the guy is a vindictive fuck. In all his interviews he trashed TSM and Regi for his remarks about how dade was bad. I just personally do not like him.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10449
so ozone is out regardless how good dade is ???
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 06:28:15
September 20 2013 06:27 GMT
#10450
On September 20 2013 15:26 Fionn wrote:
Ozone apparently crushed teams like OMG in scrims with Looper. So they went with him. I mean, you can't blame Looper for their losses -- Imp and most importantly Dade being the main people getting caught and playing poorly -- but Homme was their voice and captain of the team. If Looper is just going to play Zac and Shen, champions that Homme plays, then there is really no point to keeping him out.

It's been a gigantic mess for Samsung this tournament. Lack of preparation and Dade's champion pool have been the death of them.

I doubt Homme's job was to babysit Dade verbally. "Hey, hey Dade, stop, STOP! Be a good boy, and stay away from the bushes... HEY, YOU AGAIN! Dade please, your E is on cooldown, what do we do when our E is on cooldown? That's my boy, be safe darling!"
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 20 2013 06:28 GMT
#10451
On September 20 2013 15:20 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:18 Kiett wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:14 Cubu wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:11 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.

Says the guy who implied several times that Gambit threw against Fnatic in their first match-up

they have no incentive because the next round matchups are gonna be random, so no difference between 1st and 2nd in group stage. Why should they bother?

Fnatic destroys Gambit every single game because Gambit has a complete mental block when playing them. 7 games in a row, and each one looks worse and worse for Gambit. Why would Fnatic give that up? If they let Gambit get a win back on them, maybe Gambit will actually have hope and start winning games against them. Gotta kick them when they're down and keep them there.

yeah i'm sure it was mental block and not because they got outplayed. And im sure they give 2 shits about their record vs gambit......

Um. No shit, of course they get outplayed. They get outplayed every single time. The question is why. This isn't some trash tier amateur team we're talking about. It's Gambit Gaming, semifinalist of S2 championships, EU LCS Spring Split runner up, IEM Katowice winner, 3 members in All stars, top EU team, yadda yadda yadda. If they didn't have some actual mental or confidence problem going into games against Fnatic, they should be able to take at least one game in over five months. But they can't, and it doesn't look like they will anytime soon, either. They keep trying stranger and poorer comps in hopes of beating Fnatic, and they keep failing. Even Alex has admitted in interviews how stressful it is trying to play against Fnatic, more so than other teams. So yes. There is definitely a mental block there.
Writer:o
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 06:30:00
September 20 2013 06:29 GMT
#10452
On September 20 2013 15:27 NatusPrinceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:24 NatusPrinceps wrote:
I'm getting some sick twisted pleasure out of seeing dade suck so fucking hard.

Mainly because I hate kkoma and his fucking attitude.
Seriously this guy got so butthurt over regi calling dade bad and now dade is the guy who is making korea look like a joke.

I really hate kkoma.

Wut, kkoma is skt's coach right?



Yea he's that guy who failed at SC2 then failed in Startale LoL and yea he's a pretty damn good coach but the guy is a vindictive fuck. In all his interviews he trashed TSM and Regi for his remarks about how dade was bad. I just personally do not like him.

I don't see how your dislike of kkoma should affect your anti-boner for dade?
On September 20 2013 15:27 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:26 Fionn wrote:
Ozone apparently crushed teams like OMG in scrims with Looper. So they went with him. I mean, you can't blame Looper for their losses -- Imp and most importantly Dade being the main people getting caught and playing poorly -- but Homme was their voice and captain of the team. If Looper is just going to play Zac and Shen, champions that Homme plays, then there is really no point to keeping him out.

It's been a gigantic mess for Samsung this tournament. Lack of preparation and Dade's champion pool have been the death of them.

I doubt Homme's job was to babysit Dade verbally. "Hey, hey Dade, stop, STOP! Be a good boy, and stay away from the bushes... HEY, YOU AGAIN! Dade please, your E is on cooldown, what do we do when our E is on cooldown? That's my boy, be safe darling!"

It worked for CLG in season 2. "HEY DL, stop pushing stupidly in this lane, hey dl stop farming, hey dl shoot this".
liftlift > tsm
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 20 2013 06:29 GMT
#10453
On September 20 2013 15:27 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:26 Fionn wrote:
Ozone apparently crushed teams like OMG in scrims with Looper. So they went with him. I mean, you can't blame Looper for their losses -- Imp and most importantly Dade being the main people getting caught and playing poorly -- but Homme was their voice and captain of the team. If Looper is just going to play Zac and Shen, champions that Homme plays, then there is really no point to keeping him out.

It's been a gigantic mess for Samsung this tournament. Lack of preparation and Dade's champion pool have been the death of them.

I doubt Homme's job was to babysit Dade verbally. "Hey, hey Dade, stop, STOP! Be a good boy, and stay away from the bushes... HEY, YOU AGAIN! Dade please, your E is on cooldown, what do we do when our E is on cooldown? That's my boy, be safe darling!"


You never know really... there are plenty of cases in sports of team captains keeping their teammates from doing absolutely retarded stuff on field.

Having a level mind saying "Hey, nobody be an idiot right now" might be all Dade needs to keep him from being a dumbass.
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 06:29:59
September 20 2013 06:29 GMT
#10454
On September 20 2013 15:27 NatusPrinceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:24 NatusPrinceps wrote:
I'm getting some sick twisted pleasure out of seeing dade suck so fucking hard.

Mainly because I hate kkoma and his fucking attitude.
Seriously this guy got so butthurt over regi calling dade bad and now dade is the guy who is making korea look like a joke.

I really hate kkoma.

Wut, kkoma is skt's coach right?



Yea he's that guy who failed at SC2 then failed in Startale LoL and yea he's a pretty damn good coach but the guy is a vindictive fuck. In all his interviews he trashed TSM and Regi for his remarks about how dade was bad. I just personally do not like him.


I don't think anyone can hate kkoma. He has the most bubbly personality in Korean LoL. I don't think his comments about regi were mean spirited at all and is a misunderstanding. Anyone but Kkoma. Anyone remember how happy he was to make GSL?
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 20 2013 06:30 GMT
#10455
So uh....why did they not dive that. Snoy had ignite up in a second, guaranteed to have enough damage if they both went for it.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ChEDo
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada310 Posts
September 20 2013 06:30 GMT
#10456
The worst part is Homme probably has it the worst. This could have been another big finish for Homme and Ozone, another cinderella story. Maybe even his last tournament. What does he get for carrying in OGN and getting Ozone to worlds? A goddam slap in the face and his team makes make a joke of themselves and laughing about it.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 20 2013 06:30 GMT
#10457
is it worth for twisted fate to go down that far in the support tree for that stuff
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
September 20 2013 06:30 GMT
#10458
On September 20 2013 15:14 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ozone shames Korea.


If Korea doesn't win worlds I think they can be contenders for being the most overhyped region considering two shots at worlds and zero titles.

I still think Najin will win.

That doesn't mean to say I think Korea isn't the best server, it clearly is, I'm just saying the feeling going into this worlds was Koreans would just walk over everyone, even SKT T1 has struggled at times.


People need to stop taking "Koreans are better than other region" out of context. The thing that makes Koreans better than other region isn't that their top teams are miles ahead of other region's top teams. It's the fact that they have more QUANTITY of top teams. The top European teams and Chinese teams had always been competitive with top korean teams; but it's almost the same 2-3 top teams for those regions. Whereas in Korea, the sheer amount of top teams coming out of nowhere is crazy. To put it in perspective, SKT1 wasn't even formed in the first round of OGN champions this season, and that was also KTB's first season afaik.

So yes, if you think of it that way, the korean competitve scene for LoL is stil way ahead from that perspective.


Only 2-3 top teams ? The eu lcs was wide open this season. Gambit and Fnatic had to go through the tiebreaker to secure their spot. And some players, who are considered top3 at their positon like rekkles or shook werent even in the lcs. EU is very deep too.

Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 20 2013 06:30 GMT
#10459
On September 20 2013 15:26 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:22 Flakes wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:20 Volband wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:17 vthree wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:13 Volband wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:11 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.

Says the guy who implied several times that Gambit threw against Fnatic in their first match-up

Don't know about that, but it's like 99% sure that if Gambit wants the 2nd spot, they can get it. If they pick some brainless teamcomp like today's game 1, Fnatic might punish them, but if they are serious, they only have to worry about Vulcun.


Except Gambit is like something like 0-7 vs Fnatic... Their play style just don't match up well.

So? The point is to give Gambit the win, even if they could beat them. No one can prove it. European teams are quite close, just check out that LCS round in Tenerife.

They record the voice chat during games, I think that it would be a lot of trouble to fake and not worth the risk of being kicked out of everything ever

Gambit vs Fnatic is not close. At all.

Why would they talk about it DURING the game? They chill back today, and quetly agree what they'll gonna do againts Gambit. Gambit is still a powerhouse team, so you don't have to walk under their turret, to let them win. A missing ward, a bad positioning, a little snowball, and they can capitalize on it.

Even if they were serious, they'd bust out some 2nd tier champs, just for proper practice.

And then when someone from Riot listens to how their calls become completely different or nonexistent from their past matches...
Seriously, risking getting kicked out of everything ever for the CHANCE to have a SLIGHTLY EASIER matchup MUCH LATER IN THE TOURNEY

yeah, imma go to bed, dunno why I'm giving this argument any credit
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 20 2013 06:31 GMT
#10460
On September 20 2013 15:30 ChEDo wrote:
The worst part is Homme probably has it the worst. This could have been another big finish for Homme and Ozone, another cinderella story. Maybe even his last tournament. What does he get for carrying in OGN and getting Ozone to worlds? A goddam slap in the face and his team makes make a joke of themselves and laughing about it.


To be fair, if he retired, he'd probably become Ozone's new coach or one of their assistant coaches. I can't actually see him just getting kicked or moving away from the team when his time as a pro is over.
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