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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 19 2013 19:22 GMT
#8681
Power of the sun too strong need to counterpick with diana.

JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
September 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#8682
On September 20 2013 04:22 AsnSensation wrote:
Power of the sun too strong need to counterpick with diana.



DOWN WITH SOLARI SCUM

TSM
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 19 2013 20:08 GMT
#8683
On September 20 2013 04:55 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 04:22 AsnSensation wrote:
Power of the sun too strong need to counterpick with diana.



DOWN WITH SOLARI SCUM

TSM


Leona Corki is something Fnatic will always do well with :3. I remember Yellowstar+nRated on those two very well.

- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
September 19 2013 20:17 GMT
#8684
On September 20 2013 00:55 TheYango wrote:
Just cuz we want Homme doesn't mean we want to sub out Looper for him.


OUCH that dade burn.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 19 2013 20:17 GMT
#8685
Ozone needs to put Homme in. They need him now more then ever.

#FreeHomme
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 19 2013 20:20 GMT
#8686
On September 20 2013 05:17 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 00:55 TheYango wrote:
Just cuz we want Homme doesn't mean we want to sub out Looper for him.


OUCH that dade burn.

He's clearly talking about + Show Spoiler +
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liftlift > tsm
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 19 2013 20:22 GMT
#8687
On September 20 2013 05:17 Disengaged wrote:
Ozone needs to put Homme in. They need him now more then ever.

#FreeHomme


Go Homme or go home Ozone!
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#8688
Pretty awesome that the first game of the night is Ozone versus Gambit. And if Vulcun doesn't beat Fnatic the last game of the night doesn't even matter.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
September 19 2013 20:55 GMT
#8689
Can people give a quick roundup of what is at stake here? Are the critical games the 2 games Ozone play?
ManBaker
Profile Joined September 2013
1943 Posts
September 19 2013 20:58 GMT
#8690
On September 20 2013 05:55 nosliw wrote:
Can people give a quick roundup of what is at stake here? Are the critical games the 2 games Ozone play?


Assuming Mineski and Vulcun will lose to the other 3;

If they lose both they are out, if they win both they are through, if they go 1-1 it'll most likely be a tiebreaker.

For them it'd be better to beat Gambit because Gambit is more likely to lose vs Fnatic.

niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
September 19 2013 21:33 GMT
#8691
On September 20 2013 04:06 spellsy wrote:
well are there any taiwanese experts here ? i made a timeline about gamania but most of it is just hearsay and google translated chinese articles lol.


Since Gamania Bear replace Icefeng by Maple, their record had a big jump. In the Taiwanese qualifier final, they would either win or disband. In the qualifier, they beat TPA AHQ WAYI TPS, pretty much all the strong team in Taiwan. They are not the fans favourite. When u watch the Taiwan regional final, u can see that no audience were cheering for them. All of the audience were silent after their win.
Most of their them are high school student, maple and swordart are 16. Winds is the old one, he joined the team after military service.
According to their interview, they scrimed a lot with Royal and learned a lot from Royal. However, in the Chinese qualifier, the caster Joker said that Whitezz consider Gama Bear as an easy opponent.

Both Gama bear and Royal get so many hates from their teams/sponsors name. Taiwanese believed that Gamania is a very bad company, and 'Royal Club' sounds extremely silly in Chinese culture.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 21:42:50
September 19 2013 21:42 GMT
#8692
On September 20 2013 05:58 ManBaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 05:55 nosliw wrote:
Can people give a quick roundup of what is at stake here? Are the critical games the 2 games Ozone play?


Assuming Mineski and Vulcun will lose to the other 3;

If they lose both they are out, if they win both they are through, if they go 1-1 it'll most likely be a tiebreaker.

For them it'd be better to beat Gambit because Gambit is more likely to lose vs Fnatic.



If they don´t manage to go 4-0 from this point on, I´d rather see them go out in groups than embarassing themselves in the play offs D:

edit: talking about ozone...
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 22:41:16
September 19 2013 22:30 GMT
#8693
On September 20 2013 06:42 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 05:58 ManBaker wrote:
On September 20 2013 05:55 nosliw wrote:
Can people give a quick roundup of what is at stake here? Are the critical games the 2 games Ozone play?


Assuming Mineski and Vulcun will lose to the other 3;

If they lose both they are out, if they win both they are through, if they go 1-1 it'll most likely be a tiebreaker.

For them it'd be better to beat Gambit because Gambit is more likely to lose vs Fnatic.



If they don´t manage to go 4-0 from this point on, I´d rather see them go out in groups than embarassing themselves in the play offs D:

edit: talking about ozone...


Having already dropped games to both Fnatic and Gambit if they lose to them both again it is pretty much impossible for them to get out of the group barring one of Gambit/Fnatic massively choking (were talking losing all the rest of their games) and that possibly still could just mean a tie. If they only win one of the games they will need to team that they beat to lose again to create a tie (I assume that is how it works, might be by whoever has the winning record vs the other team in the tie). Basically if they lose a single game tonight the ability to control their fates is no longer in their hands. If Ozone manages to 2-0 tonight and win all the rest of their games they will get one of the spots because Fnatic/Gambit have to play each other one more time.

With how Ozone has looked so far not going 0-2 might be a tall task unless they have radically smoothed out their many issues. #freeHomme

Also it seems Vulcun's effectively last stand for one of the slots is tonight as well. All in all some very highstakes and high profile League of Legends matches are on tonight. I am excited.
OMG you nasty gurl
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 19 2013 23:11 GMT
#8694
On September 20 2013 02:37 spellsy wrote:
ah re: the edit
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On September 20 2013 01:48 TheYango wrote:
Regarding the signature heroes infographic--Shyvana should be replaced by Nasus on Godlike's profile. They played Shyv more in 3.09, but since 3.10 was added to the Chinese server, they've played him more often on Nasus, as the changes of 3.10 and 3.10a suit the champ better. It's also ridiculous to have Zed as Wh1t3zz' 3rd "signature" hero. They pick it because of how Zed is valued highly in general, but Kassadin has been Wh1t3zz' signature hero since LPL Spring--to the point that for most of LPL Spring and the first half of LPL Summer, Wh1t3zz' Kassadin was almost perma-ban against Royal, until Fizz and Annie took over ban priority from other teams.

You make a bigger point about Twitch and Vayne being big ADC picks in China than you should. Remember that all but the last week of LPL were on 3.09. Twitch and Vayne were the two "must-pick" ADs in other regions in 3.09 as well, it's just that those regions switched to 3.10 immediately.



the picks were taken from the last 2-3 weeks of LPL and regionals and counted. I think its interesting to see their unorthodox picks though, not because they are going to go shyv every game but because they might pull out something we havnt seen before and so i wanted to create that story there that i think is core to their team's personality.

Twitch wasnt as popular in any region even on 3.09 (literally the most contested ADC in china compared to only 30% rate in NA). I think china really favored him much more than other regions. I hope to see uzi play twitch tbh in the WC, its fun to watch.


Twitch was quite popular in both korea and china. It was banned out quite a bit for a short period of time in korea, but I think that was only against certain teams. This may have also been after korea caught on but then twitch got nerfed shortly after.
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
September 19 2013 23:37 GMT
#8695
This is a big day for all of group B except for Mineski as the other 4 teams have realistic chances to progress from the group.

I think Fnatic is in the most favorable position to progress simply because they still have games versus Mineski and Gambit which are near guaranteed wins for them, so at worst I see them ending 5-3. If they mange to beat either Vulcun or Ozone tonight then I think they will progress.

Vulcun is perhaps fortunate to only have one important game today versus Fnatic. I think it fair to chalk up a win versus Mineski which means at worst they will end 3-3 tonight which likely still leaves their fate in their own hands. This gives them the opportunity to prepare for the final group day and go all out knowing that victory in both games is required to progress. This knowledge could relieve some pressure from Vulcun tonight which could be advantageous.

I think Gambit and Ozone are under the most pressure tonight and they will play the pivotal 2nd game between them. Gambit seems to be in a better position at first glance but their inability to beat Fnatic actually makes this game versus Ozone more important. Obviously, Ozone at 2-2 need to win this game to keep their fate in their own hands. It's still possible for them to advance if they lose to Gambit but if the rest of the results of the group fall unfavorably for them then they could be out even if they run the table hereafter.

If I had to make a prediction I feel like Fnatic and Ozone will advance to the knockout stages. Gambit's inability to beat Fnatic will be their downfall because I don't think they will 2-0 Ozone. Still, this group is extremely close and very difficult to call.
ManBaker
Profile Joined September 2013
1943 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 23:50:35
September 19 2013 23:50 GMT
#8696
On September 20 2013 08:37 Pantagruel wrote:
This is a big day for all of group B except for Mineski as the other 4 teams have realistic chances to progress from the group.

I think Fnatic is in the most favorable position to progress simply because they still have games versus Mineski and Gambit which are near guaranteed wins for them, so at worst I see them ending 5-3. If they mange to beat either Vulcun or Ozone tonight then I think they will progress.

Vulcun is perhaps fortunate to only have one important game today versus Fnatic. I think it fair to chalk up a win versus Mineski which means at worst they will end 3-3 tonight which likely still leaves their fate in their own hands. This gives them the opportunity to prepare for the final group day and go all out knowing that victory in both games is required to progress. This knowledge could relieve some pressure from Vulcun tonight which could be advantageous.

I think Gambit and Ozone are under the most pressure tonight and they will play the pivotal 2nd game between them. Gambit seems to be in a better position at first glance but their inability to beat Fnatic actually makes this game versus Ozone more important. Obviously, Ozone at 2-2 need to win this game to keep their fate in their own hands. It's still possible for them to advance if they lose to Gambit but if the rest of the results of the group fall unfavorably for them then they could be out even if they run the table hereafter.

If I had to make a prediction I feel like Fnatic and Ozone will advance to the knockout stages. Gambit's inability to beat Fnatic will be their downfall because I don't think they will 2-0 Ozone. Still, this group is extremely close and very difficult to call.


Ozone will get slaughtered tonight by both GG and Fnatic.

Actually, it'd be even better if they put Homme in, just to show everyone that it doesn't really matter who's top and Looper instead of Homme is definitely not the reason why they're playing like shit
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 19 2013 23:53 GMT
#8697
I wonder if Puszu did like insanely well, talking like shitting on Piglet, San, Uzi levels of well, would Fnatic consider keeping him
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 19 2013 23:55 GMT
#8698
Highly likely.Doubt it would happen though.
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
September 19 2013 23:59 GMT
#8699
On September 20 2013 06:33 niukasu1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 04:06 spellsy wrote:
well are there any taiwanese experts here ? i made a timeline about gamania but most of it is just hearsay and google translated chinese articles lol.


Since Gamania Bear replace Icefeng by Maple, their record had a big jump. In the Taiwanese qualifier final, they would either win or disband. In the qualifier, they beat TPA AHQ WAYI TPS, pretty much all the strong team in Taiwan. They are not the fans favourite. When u watch the Taiwan regional final, u can see that no audience were cheering for them. All of the audience were silent after their win.
Most of their them are high school student, maple and swordart are 16. Winds is the old one, he joined the team after military service.
According to their interview, they scrimed a lot with Royal and learned a lot from Royal. However, in the Chinese qualifier, the caster Joker said that Whitezz consider Gama Bear as an easy opponent.

Both Gama bear and Royal get so many hates from their teams/sponsors name. Taiwanese believed that Gamania is a very bad company, and 'Royal Club' sounds extremely silly in Chinese culture.

thanks, i had similar stuff (except the age stuff which i heard but never saw sources for, and the royal stuff which i never heard)

Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 20 2013 00:00 GMT
#8700
On September 20 2013 08:37 Pantagruel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This is a big day for all of group B except for Mineski as the other 4 teams have realistic chances to progress from the group.

I think Fnatic is in the most favorable position to progress simply because they still have games versus Mineski and Gambit which are near guaranteed wins for them, so at worst I see them ending 5-3. If they mange to beat either Vulcun or Ozone tonight then I think they will progress.

Vulcun is perhaps fortunate to only have one important game today versus Fnatic. I think it fair to chalk up a win versus Mineski which means at worst they will end 3-3 tonight which likely still leaves their fate in their own hands. This gives them the opportunity to prepare for the final group day and go all out knowing that victory in both games is required to progress. This knowledge could relieve some pressure from Vulcun tonight which could be advantageous.

I think Gambit and Ozone are under the most pressure tonight and they will play the pivotal 2nd game between them. Gambit seems to be in a better position at first glance but their inability to beat Fnatic actually makes this game versus Ozone more important. Obviously, Ozone at 2-2 need to win this game to keep their fate in their own hands. It's still possible for them to advance if they lose to Gambit but if the rest of the results of the group fall unfavorably for them then they could be out even if they run the table hereafter.

If I had to make a prediction I feel like Fnatic and Ozone will advance to the knockout stages. Gambit's inability to beat Fnatic will be their downfall because I don't think they will 2-0 Ozone. Still, this group is extremely close and very difficult to call.

The strong wording of your Fnatic/Gambit predictions compelled me to look at the w/l chart of EU LCS matchups, since I hadn't really been following that scene.

Now I have a headache. How did that even happen? (the Fnatic/Gambit/SK rock-paper-scissors). Is there a general opinion on how those teams' playstyles produced those results?
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