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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
September 19 2013 16:19 GMT
#8661
On September 19 2013 23:04 Roffles wrote:
#FreeHomme

Fan of the Jangbanger
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 19 2013 16:23 GMT
#8662
#BringBackHSGG
It's your boy Guzma!
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
September 19 2013 16:31 GMT
#8663
okay you esport people, i wrote an article on Royal, what do you guys think? http://na.lolesports.com/articles/top-4-royal-club-huang-zu
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 19 2013 16:35 GMT
#8664
On September 20 2013 01:31 spellsy wrote:
okay you esport people, i wrote an article on Royal, what do you guys think? http://na.lolesports.com/articles/top-4-royal-club-huang-zu

Looks good, the infographics are solid.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 19 2013 16:38 GMT
#8665
On September 20 2013 01:31 spellsy wrote:
okay you esport people, i wrote an article on Royal, what do you guys think? http://na.lolesports.com/articles/top-4-royal-club-huang-zu

Yango cometh...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 17:00:27
September 19 2013 16:48 GMT
#8666
The second paragraph about their team history is factually incorrect on several points:
1) Your infographic mentions Xiaoweixiao replacing Warm, but you don't mention it in your writeup. Tabe was already playing support by the time Xiaoweixiao joined the team, and was probably playing it when Warm was on the team as well, given that Warm played mid for his next team, AllGamers. He didn't "switch back" to support when he rejoined the team, he was already playing support before then (he was also playing support for OMG before he and Wh1t3zz left that team).
2) The initial roster change occurred during SWL and only replaced Mor and Xiaoweixiao with Wh1t3zz and Godlike (basically the current roster). They actually BEAT Najin Sword hot off their OGN Winter win in SWL with this lineup.
3) Tabe then left the team for personal reasons (there were rumors about him having issues with Uzi, nothing really to corroborate this)--he was not replaced. Due to the timing of this, Royal had to forfeit their remaining spot in SWL for lack of a replacement.
4) Tabe's intial replacement was not Atu, but Rui. Atu was not added to the team until a month later. Of note is the rapid pace at which the team switched supports during the first season of LPL, supposedly because of how Uzi is very fickle about his supports

You also mis-represent the state of the team going into the latter half of LPL Summer when you say "Royal was a stronger team at this point but still not the allstar Chinese team that they wanted to be" and "People were favoring the season leader OMG or the previously experienced Invictus Gaming". After week 5, nobody watching LPL should have any doubts about Royal's strength. Fizz+Annie and it's variations basically went undefeated in the latter half of LPL Summer (they didn't play Fizz+Annie in the two games they lost). Nobody favored iG going into regionals because iG's performance in that period had been very mediocre due to Zzitai and Kid's role swap. Royal were pretty much the expected 2nd seed.

Regarding the signature heroes infographic--Shyvana should be replaced by Nasus on Godlike's profile. They played Shyv more in 3.09, but since 3.10 was added to the Chinese server, they've played him more often on Nasus, as the changes of 3.10 and 3.10a suit the champ better. It's also ridiculous to have Zed as Wh1t3zz' 3rd "signature" hero. They pick it because of how Zed is valued highly in general, but Kassadin has been Wh1t3zz' signature hero since LPL Spring--to the point that for most of LPL Spring and the first half of LPL Summer, Wh1t3zz' Kassadin was almost perma-ban against Royal, until Fizz and Annie took over ban priority from other teams.

You make a bigger point about Twitch and Vayne being big ADC picks in China than you should. Remember that all but the last week of LPL were on 3.09. Twitch and Vayne were the two "must-pick" ADs in other regions in 3.09 as well, it's just that those regions switched to 3.10 immediately.
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spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
September 19 2013 17:01 GMT
#8667
On September 20 2013 01:48 TheYango wrote:
The second paragraph about their team history is factually incorrect on several points:
1) Your infographic mentions Xiaoweixiao replacing Warm, but you don't mention it in your writeup. Tabe was already playing support by the time Xiaoweixiao joined the team, and was probably playing mid when Warm was on the team as well, given that Warm played mid for his next team, AllGamers. He didn't "switch back" to support when he rejoined the team, he was already playing support before then (he was also playing support for OMG before he and Wh1t3zz left that team).
2) The initial roster change occurred during SWL and only replaced Mor and Xiaoweixiao with Wh1t3zz and Godlike (basically the current roster). They actually BEAT Najin Sword hot off their OGN Winter win in SWL with this lineup.
3) Tabe then left the team for personal reasons (there were rumors about him having issues with Uzi, nothing really to corroborate this)--he was not replaced. Due to the timing of this, Royal had to forfeit their remaining spot in SWL for lack of a replacement.
4) Tabe's intial replacement was not Atu, but Rui. Atu was not added to the team until a month later. Of note is the rapid pace at which the team switched supports during the first season of LPL, supposedly because of how Uzi is very fickle about his supports

You also mis-represent the state of the team going into the latter half of LPL Summer when you say "Royal was a stronger team at this point but still not the allstar Chinese team that they wanted to be" and "People were favoring the season leader OMG or the previously experienced Invictus Gaming". After week 5, nobody watching LPL should have any doubts about Royal's strength. Fizz+Annie and it's variations basically went undefeated in the latter half of LPL Summer (they didn't play Fizz+Annie in the two games they lost). Nobody favored iG going into regionals because iG's performance in that period had been very mediocre due to Zzitai and Kid's role swap. Royal were pretty much the expected 2nd seed.

most of the points about the history were just condensed. it wasnt supposed to be a full detail of every change, just a generalized 1 paragraph history. thats why i condensed things like the 2nd and 3rd point. I tried to keep in tact that there were lots of roster changes and they had hard time finding the perfect lineup before their current roster. I didnt know Xiao was a mid player though, if thats what you are saying.

re: 2nd paragraph, maybe i oversold it but there were still several people who i talked to who did not favor royal to win the whole thing or were heavy favorites for the 2nd spot.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 17:15:02
September 19 2013 17:04 GMT
#8668
I would argue that Tabe's initial position as a support on the team is very important, because Tabe's influence over those few months before he went into temporary retirement were very clear. When Tabe was still an AD player he was once called "the best AD player in China", and it's notable how he applied his knowledge and experience in bot lane to Uzi's benefit, given Uzi's raw but unrefined talent at the time. It also draws a comparison to Chauster's influence on Doublelift, which is very recognizable to NA audiences.

EDIT: The second half of your article is actually pretty on-point with your assessment of how Royal plays.
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
September 19 2013 17:28 GMT
#8669
Damn TheYango is serious business. I don't know how he knows all this stuff, but I respect him for doing so.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 19 2013 17:34 GMT
#8670
TheYango is our CN authority on TL. npnpnp
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 19 2013 17:34 GMT
#8671
We all know yango is a robot
Bronze player stuck in platinum
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
September 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#8672
I'm gonna really accept if Homme doesn't play for Ozone tonight. I hope the Ozone manager has the sense to put him in. Ozone hasn't had any synergy and Looper went 1-4-x on Shen and his proxy Singed tactic is pretty outdated. Also <3 Homme.
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
September 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#8673
ah re: the edit
On September 20 2013 01:48 TheYango wrote:
Regarding the signature heroes infographic--Shyvana should be replaced by Nasus on Godlike's profile. They played Shyv more in 3.09, but since 3.10 was added to the Chinese server, they've played him more often on Nasus, as the changes of 3.10 and 3.10a suit the champ better. It's also ridiculous to have Zed as Wh1t3zz' 3rd "signature" hero. They pick it because of how Zed is valued highly in general, but Kassadin has been Wh1t3zz' signature hero since LPL Spring--to the point that for most of LPL Spring and the first half of LPL Summer, Wh1t3zz' Kassadin was almost perma-ban against Royal, until Fizz and Annie took over ban priority from other teams.

You make a bigger point about Twitch and Vayne being big ADC picks in China than you should. Remember that all but the last week of LPL were on 3.09. Twitch and Vayne were the two "must-pick" ADs in other regions in 3.09 as well, it's just that those regions switched to 3.10 immediately.



the picks were taken from the last 2-3 weeks of LPL and regionals and counted. I think its interesting to see their unorthodox picks though, not because they are going to go shyv every game but because they might pull out something we havnt seen before and so i wanted to create that story there that i think is core to their team's personality.

Twitch wasnt as popular in any region even on 3.09 (literally the most contested ADC in china compared to only 30% rate in NA). I think china really favored him much more than other regions. I hope to see uzi play twitch tbh in the WC, its fun to watch.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 17:38:23
September 19 2013 17:37 GMT
#8674
On September 20 2013 02:34 Nos- wrote:
We all know yango is a robot

Y-yango senpai. Plz. No. Stop.
liftlift > tsm
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
September 19 2013 18:37 GMT
#8675
On September 20 2013 02:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 02:34 Nos- wrote:
We all know yango is a robot

Y-yango senpai shifu. Plz. No. Stop.

boomer hands
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 19 2013 18:56 GMT
#8676
damn very exciting games tonight. No gg.eu-esque filler games, since Mineski put up a decent fight so far in their losses.

1. ozone have their 2 hardest matchestoday deciding their fate vs Fnatic and Gambit
2. Will fnatic beat Vulcun convincingly to show that the loss was mainly their extremely retarded drafting and unlucky lvl1 (which vulcun should be credited for)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 19 2013 19:05 GMT
#8677
On September 20 2013 03:56 AsnSensation wrote:
damn very exciting games tonight. No gg.eu-esque filler games, since Mineski put up a decent fight so far in their losses.

1. ozone have their 2 hardest matchestoday deciding their fate vs Fnatic and Gambit
2. Will fnatic beat Vulcun convincingly to show that the loss was mainly their extremely retarded drafting and unlucky lvl1 (which vulcun should be credited for)

Fnatic has always been a team that relied a lot on prep. I have a feeling that their loss to Vulvun was due to underprepping since they probably underestimated how strong Vulcun really was.
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
September 19 2013 19:06 GMT
#8678
well are there any taiwanese experts here ? i made a timeline about gamania but most of it is just hearsay and google translated chinese articles lol.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 19:13:35
September 19 2013 19:12 GMT
#8679
On September 20 2013 03:56 AsnSensation wrote:
damn very exciting games tonight. No gg.eu-esque filler games, since Mineski put up a decent fight so far in their losses.

1. ozone have their 2 hardest matchestoday deciding their fate vs Fnatic and Gambit
2. Will fnatic beat Vulcun convincingly to show that the loss was mainly their extremely retarded drafting and unlucky lvl1 (which vulcun should be credited for)


Ozone's matches today are effectively the most important games of their lives. If Ozone doesn't bring it tonight they are done.
OMG you nasty gurl
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 19 2013 19:14 GMT
#8680
nah, the clear secret to fnatic's success is yolostar on leona. picked 3 times, 3 wins. 100% victory. leona has the highest win rate of any champ with more than 1 game at worlds.
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