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On September 18 2013 14:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Zed Vi is scary as hell lol
Vi pairs sublimely with mids like Fizz, Ahri, Zed because her kit and gank capability support their kill potential very well and she's really good all-ins around.
When you have duels between two of them at mid, it's very easy for Vi to just camp and be there whenever the one on the enemy team goes in, to cockblock the combo and make it a free kill for her laner. You can snowball games super hard this way.
My Vi winrate who had taken a dump after playing on tilt skyrocketed back up since people run pretty much Ahri Fizz or Zed mid every game (she's also effective both with and against them).
Also holy crap Pomelo had a pretty baller ult near GamingGear's outer top turret. Style points for that one.
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okay, vod time, let's see how faker vs regi goes :D
well, regi did fk all whole game
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I think TSM drafted well, that wasn't the problem. It's just hard to run an effective pick comp when you get caught so much early game and the enemy tank gets ahead.
I think Reginald played very well, he wasn't the reason they lost. His initiations were generally good, but the team had hard times giving the right follow up due to early game mistakes. Most of the time it was just unforced errors, a lot like against OMG. Maybe they'll bring more confidence into round 2.
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It's incredibly how hard it seems to come back from a 5k gold difference.
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On September 18 2013 21:59 heavenz wrote:
It's incredibly how hard it seems to come back from a 5k gold difference.
Unless its a NA vs NA game; those "comebacks" are ezpz
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TSM really played better than I thought... until the fucking derps. Reginald ulting Impact right into the 5 of them, and then the nashor "bait" that was 100% dumb (wtf TOO missing cocoon by a landslide and Regi starting with a friggin' Barrel Roll?)...
Sigh. And Piglet with so many kills, my fantasy team is fucked now, he's racked up a fuckton a kills (including several taken from Faker in their first game) so anyone with both of them, or even just Piglet, is going to cruise past me. :<
Damn, that was an interesting game, and TSM were really impressing me during the first part of the game, but having the turning point being such dumb derps is really ruining what was otherwise an enjoyable game.
Dyrus really derped at the start and during the last fight too, running left and right and doing damage neither to Lee nor Cait.
Pft.
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On September 18 2013 21:59 heavenz wrote:
It's incredibly how hard it seems to come back from a 5k gold difference.
5k gold difference is basically like 500g more for your support and like 1-1.2k more for everyone else, which is often the difference between having the peices of a major item and the item itself on four of your heroes, which is huge. It's not really the difference of a hat and then some, it's more like the difference of a hat, an IE, an aegis, and a sunfire or something.
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On September 18 2013 22:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 21:59 heavenz wrote:
It's incredibly how hard it seems to come back from a 5k gold difference. 5k gold difference is basically like 500g more for your support and like 1-1.2k more for everyone else, which is often the difference between having the peices of a major item and the item itself on four of your heroes, which is huge. It's not really the difference of a hat and then some, it's more like the difference of a hat, an IE, an aegis, and a sunfire or something.
And probably 60 more wards
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Regarding C9's standing relative to TSM: bear in mind that it's a lot easier to look good against a team that you have a history of beating over and over. Once you become intimately acquainted with their shortcomings, it becomes far easier to exploit those in every game. If you gave OMG or T1 an entire season of repeatedly stomping TSM, they'd be pretty good at it by the end too.
Don't forget that C9 perma-banned Vlad against TSM because they couldn't beat it in scrims. The skill difference between those teams is a lot less than people make it out to be.
On September 18 2013 17:04 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 17:01 red_ wrote:On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution. Some serious fanboy going on. The gap between regions may not be as large as expected(and much of this is due to Ozone), but I have no idea where you're getting 'miles ahead' from. C9 is a lot better than TSM and TSM is scrapping it out in the group of death.
You can't predict BoX performance for a team that has so little experience of it. C9 has one offline Bo5 in their entire competitive career.
BoXs are not all about the skill, they're about the mental game and how teams hold up under the mental pressure. C9 has never played in a situation where they're actually under that kind of pressure, so you can't say how they'll perform. Whereas nerves of steel under that mental pressure is part of what makes T1 such a scary team--being able to LLWWW against KTB required ridiculous mental fortitude in game 3 and game 4.
I actually thing OMG is more likely to drop to C9 if they get matched because OMG has a track record of looking great in Bo1s and then being totally unimpressive/sloppy in BoXs. But that's assuming C9 hold up in BoX play--there's no guarantee that they won't crumble under the pressure too.
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On September 18 2013 20:44 daemir wrote:
okay, vod time, let's see how faker vs regi goes :D
well, regi did fk all whole game
Where can I download VODs of the games already played? I ended up working and missed most of them. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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On September 18 2013 22:14 Alaric wrote:
TSM really played better than I thought... until the fucking derps. Reginald ulting Impact right into the 5 of them, and then the nashor "bait" that was 100% dumb (wtf TOO missing cocoon by a landslide and Regi starting with a friggin' Barrel Roll?)...
Sigh. And Piglet with so many kills, my fantasy team is fucked now, he's racked up a fuckton a kills (including several taken from Faker in their first game) so anyone with both of them, or even just Piglet, is going to cruise past me. :<
Damn, that was an interesting game, and TSM were really impressing me during the first part of the game, but having the turning point being such dumb derps is really ruining what was otherwise an enjoyable game.
Dyrus really derped at the start and during the last fight too, running left and right and doing damage neither to Lee nor Cait.
Pft.
Oddone played like SHIT that game. Early on he let like 2 kills go (one where he failed flash on bot) and when he and Regi ACTUALLY FUCKING CAUGHT FAKER but he didn't flash -> cocoon and instead misjudged that he could hit it w/o flash. Don't even need to go into his explorations.
Basically the general failed a lot of mechanics at potentially key portions of the game. Its somewhat surprising because he is usually one of the stable TSM players.
Other then that they had some questionable objective priorities, but they generally fought/skirmished well until the lead grew to be substantial after they had their Dur dur da dur moments of getting caught.
Those aside, TSM isn't as far behind as some people say they are. They really just need to clean up some details and they actually do have a shot at taking 1 of their last 2 games vs OMG/SKT1. Though those details are basically the same things that NA has failed to clean up for a while now :\ and THAT is why C9 stomped everyone, because they have that smooth/clean play that they can sustain for a full game. While everyone else in NA can't seem to ever be consistent enough even through the course of 1 game.
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On September 18 2013 23:02 LonelyIslands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 20:44 daemir wrote:
okay, vod time, let's see how faker vs regi goes :D
well, regi did fk all whole game Where can I download VODs of the games already played? I ended up working and missed most of them. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
All the events, all the VODs, best thing at Reddit.
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On September 18 2013 19:56 Shikyo wrote:
Regi should have picked something like Diana imo, his Gragas really isn't that good. Even his Brand is better(why did he stop playing him anyway? He was beast with Brand).
As Brand it's really hard to deal with super mobile champs like Ahri because they dash/flash every which way and most of your damage is skillshots and combo reliant. It's probably not impossible (especially pre-6, and Brand and Ahri were popular at similar times in S2 at one point) but it certainly isn't good. It doesn't help that zed and fizz are popular picks now too.
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On September 18 2013 17:04 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 17:01 red_ wrote:On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution. Some serious fanboy going on. The gap between regions may not be as large as expected(and much of this is due to Ozone), but I have no idea where you're getting 'miles ahead' from. C9 is a lot better than TSM and TSM is scrapping it out in the group of death.
You call tsm's group of death? It has tsm and the random lithanians in it, it has nothing on Group B xD
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On September 18 2013 23:34 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 19:56 Shikyo wrote:
Regi should have picked something like Diana imo, his Gragas really isn't that good. Even his Brand is better(why did he stop playing him anyway? He was beast with Brand). As Brand it's really hard to deal with super mobile champs like Ahri because they dash/flash every which way and most of your damage is skillshots and combo reliant. It's probably not impossible (especially pre-6, and Brand and Ahri were popular at similar times in S2 at one point) but it certainly isn't good. It doesn't help that zed and fizz are popular picks now too.
Brand can do decently against Ahri in lane, but he doesnt give you the mid-game/late game perks that many other champs do.
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Group A is infinitely harder than Group B if you're not OMG or SKt, since Group A has two shoo-ins for the top two slots whereas Group B has a lot more opportunities to sneak into playoffs.
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Man, Lemondogs really fucked up losing to TSM. They put up more of a fight against OMG than TSM did, but now I can't see them getting out of groups.
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They kind of deserved to lose given how little respect they gave TSM during the draft.
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I mean, I tried to put the emphasis on "they fucked up." It was their game to lose and they certainly did haha.
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LD sucks Europe blows
USA USA USA
On September 18 2013 23:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Man, Lemondogs really fucked up losing to TSM. They put up more of a fight against OMG than TSM did, but now I can't see them getting out of groups.
They were never getting out of groups and anyone who thought it was anyone other than SKT and OMg out of group A was delusional.
TSM and LD were consigned from the very beginning to playing for pride more than anything else.
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