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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:17 krndandaman wrote: call it blasphemy but could theoddone be replaced? I can't really remember a game where I was impressed by TOO's play lately The problem here is that TSM/Regi is shown to be sentimental when considering when to let go/pick up new members. Oddone may not have flashy plays, but he sure does help them win games. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:17 bokchoi wrote: Saint and Crumbz are both the shot-callers for their team. Don't see either of them getting replaced unless its their decision to step down. It's debatable whether saint shotcalling actually has a positive effect though | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:17 krndandaman wrote: call it blasphemy but could theoddone be replaced? I can't really remember a game where I was impressed by TOO's play lately TOO is stable and a huge part of TSM's fanbase. His value to TSM is too great to be replaced by NkInc. Now if Diamondprox suddenly became fluent at English and wanted to join TSM then sure TheOddOne might be the odd one out, but that's about as realistic as TheOddOne randomly getting replaced. | ||
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caelym
United States6424 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:14 bokchoi wrote: every game this week has playoff implications. seeding is a big deal. it's 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 in playoffs. it's almost impossible to confirm a particular spot among those 4 due to literally thousands of variations. there's no implication where you're seeded from 3 to 6, unless you want to throw it and get 6 so you're on Vulcun's side of the bracket instead of C9's. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:17 krndandaman wrote: call it blasphemy but could theoddone be replaced? I can't really remember a game where I was impressed by TOO's play lately yeah this too. theoddone seems really mediocre lately. People will always give him props because he's on such a famous team, but he doesnt really add anything at all to their lineup. Nk has the ability to make plays with Lee, Eve or J4 and he's proven that. I dont even remember the last time theoddone has done anything like that. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:11 Volband wrote: Not really (take your time and rewatch it during the break if you want), but all right then, if it makes you feel better winning with Zac I'm not stopping you. Zac is a fine, balanced champ, with great counterplay and thought-provoking item paths. Now bring back prenerf Olaf, Eve, Diana and Rengar, just to make it more fun. No need to go all passive aggressive because you can't muster any argument besides "I don't need to say anything, just watch it." | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:15 Alaric wrote: It doesn't mean much because this late in the game the AD carry usually has enough lifesteal to compensate for the periodic damage, and the shields are stronger (CDR/AP) so it's easier to deal with it. It also doesn't retract from the fact that a team splitting will effectively make his ult only get 1-2 persons in the churning. Honestly I'd rather have Riot fix the issus with the "pet"-type controllable minions, including Shaco's ult, Morde's ghost, Tibbers and the Chaos Storm. They sometimes drop their current command entirely, or force you to spam a move command just to make sure they'll actually go there. For Viktor in general, when you drop your ult on several targets it'll either sit there or start following one at random, which isn't very consistent, and very frustrating when your ult hits a champion and a minion wave and starts following the minion going to attack you rather than the champion running away. You can redirect it, but it can be enough for your target to get out of the AoE and your ult won't catch up unless you're super close. Note that I don't consider it an issue to have his range hamper him so much in the late game. He's got to have weaknesses, and his big mana consumption and effective 5.5 slots are some. However, the way he works (range, insta-burst becoming poke + sustained dps as the game progress and a tanky frontline emerge on the enemy team, item timings) give him pretty clear power spikes and periods/situations where he's strong or weak. I kinda like it because it forces you to play around them when you pick him, and it's part of the champion. I'd rather have that and adapt to it, playing in a more "cerebral" way, than having faceroll dumb shit with peaking highs but no real low (Elise, Zac, etc.). Chaos storm deals 80 (+0.25) damage per second. You're not going to out-lifesteal the damage unless you're stacking BTs. The reason why the periodic damage seems so awful right now is because the aoe of the periodic damage is tiny and it moves ridiculously slow. It's just hilariously easy to kite the Viktor ult and have it deal no damage to you outside the initial burst. I do agree that he has bigger problems in his relatively high mana costs. I don't really agree that his core is really a weakness. The Death Ray augment upgrade gives him so much damage and the hex core is already really cost efficient for AP. At level 18, it gives 99 AP, which is already more than the majority of AP items in the game and it only costs 1000. The core is not a liability tbh. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:20 IMoperator wrote: yeah this too. theoddone seems really mediocre lately. People will always give him props because he's on such a famous team, but he doesnt really add anything at all to their lineup. Nk has the ability to make plays with Lee, Eve or J4 and he's proven that. I dont even remember the last time theoddone has done anything like that. His Elise and Chogath have made quite a few plays a while back | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
Bans: Twisted Fate Orianna Karthus Kassadin Shen Thresh Picks: Zed Twitch,Sona Caitlyn,Nami Nocturne,Ahri Kennen,Nunu Renekton | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:21 Nitan wrote: No need to go all passive aggressive because you can't muster any argument. My arguement is you being biased, and until you don't watch that play again, you keep bombing me with false facts. It's a joke already you deny what 200k people see, let alone think that Zac is a perfectly balanced champion. Don't worry, i'm biased with my favourite champs as well, but at least they are not broken, so I don't really have to deny facts.  | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:22 Slusher wrote: only thing broken about zac is not being able to cc him in ult, which is already gone on pbe so it's a non issue for me. yeah zac's ult is really good, but more so than zac being broken i feel like spectre's caw and as a result spirit visage are pretty broken as MR items | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On August 16 2013 11:25 Shikyo wrote: why would you smite-consume a leashed buff o_O I guess nunu can consume but yeah... faster clear? | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Isn't it faster to smite the second buff? You need to solo it after all, whereas the leashed buff you get like triple DPS for | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
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