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On August 18 2013 03:24 Slusher wrote: not saying Coast is the weaker team, I'm saying their strengths and weaknesses are much more clearly defined.
Just out of curiousity, what would you say those strengths and weakness are?
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I don't know the rest of the NA scene that well outside the LCS. Who, at the moment at least, looks like they'll put a good challenge to Coast and Velocity in relegation?
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Curse Academy probably had a shot as well if they could get a real roster together. I still have no idea why Pobelter is no longer in it.
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On August 18 2013 12:06 ketchup wrote:Curse Academy probably had a shot as well if they could get a real roster together. I still have no idea why Pobelter is no longer in it. Age. It seems like Curse Acad wants to make a run for LCS next split but I have no idea how that's going to work since NA organizations cannot have two teams in LCS.
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On August 18 2013 12:06 ketchup wrote:Curse Academy probably had a shot as well if they could get a real roster together. I still have no idea why Pobelter is no longer in it. Hard to say, I mean he's on another team already. Sad loss on Curse's part. I love NyJacky but damn, I'd love to have Pobelter as a starter.
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to me, it's kind of funny
last split when the amateur scene was basically curse academy, velocity, and cloud9, everyone was saying "yeah these amateur teams are okay, but they're just simply not LCS level. yeah velocity can beat curse academy BUT THAT'S CURSE'S B-TEAM LOL. yeah cloud9 can beat velocity BUT THAT'S JUST A GOOD AMATEUR TEAM. none of these teams are LCS ready, no one can knock out marn or complexity or dig or clg!" when it was just blatantly not true. i knew cloud9 was taking games off of top LCS teams CONSISTENTLY in scrims, curse academy was on par or better than curse at times, and velocity was at least on par with the bottom of LCS.
then when relegations finally rolled around, suddenly EVERY amateur team had a REALLY GOOD SHOT of making it into LCS. like, optimus tom literally gave denial esports a *50%* shot at beating CLG!!! he was saying it was a coin-flip that a brand new team could beat the most established team in north american e-sports. that was an INSANE turnaround lol.
and now THIS split, the amateur love has gone even farther! i remember people telling me that we were going to get relegated by FXO the day after we qualified LOL. now people are saying that TBD is going to be the next cloud9, they're going to take the LCS by storm, etc etc etc. where's the reserved "we haven't seen them play against LCS teams so we don't know how strong they are relatively" talk now??
not that i'm complaining. as someone that actually does see the amateur teams and LCS teams compete, i have more information than the normal fan. i just think it's been a funny progression. i guess everyone wants to be the fan that "believed in you when you were on the amateur circuit" for all the upcoming teams, since no one was last split
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For what it's worth, I think you guys will requalify, personally I don't rate the amateur teams higher than Coast and VES. C9 was a special case because they choked hard vs MRN but already just as good as the other lcs teams. Would bet money on that not happening again with TBD, CoL or whoever is a high contender to qualify.
I think you need to need a new top and supp though but who am I to tell you what to make with your roster.
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Meh, last split it was very apparent that quantic had an extremely good shot.at lcs qualification. Ves came out of nowhere to take the other spot. I dont remeber anyone having any faith in other teams except maybe for some fxo hype. This split no sure value like quantic so i really cant imagine a team to take a spot over in lcs. Evan as far behind the bottom team is, they should.be clear favorites against any non lcs teams
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Oh! Denial eSports! My friend is on that team!
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3th place is best of 3 and finals are best of 5 lol.
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On August 18 2013 20:14 SagaZ wrote: Meh, last split it was very apparent that quantic had an extremely good shot.at lcs qualification. Ves came out of nowhere to take the other spot. I dont remeber anyone having any faith in other teams except maybe for some fxo hype. This split no sure value like quantic so i really cant imagine a team to take a spot over in lcs. Evan as far behind the bottom team is, they should.be clear favorites against any non lcs teams Velocity are ex-Dirt Nap Gaming, they barely lost to Marn in the qualifications for the Spring Split and beat them in the relegation matches for the Summer split, that wasn't "coming out of nowhere" at all.
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I'm not sure anyone is saying TBD is the next Cloud 9, but they also are definitely top of the amateur circuit, since most of their roster is ex-pros. But their record isn't fantastic either, westrice being benched since S2, half of the AL.NA team getting kicked out for stream cheating (and still losing) to Quantic/C9
I mean RobertxLee's best professional achievement was taking a single game off of MYM before MYM got good (and now MYM are still last in EU)
Also their mid laner is Arthelon \o/
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On August 18 2013 12:14 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 12:06 ketchup wrote:On August 18 2013 11:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 18 2013 10:41 bittman wrote: I don't know the rest of the NA scene that well outside the LCS. Who, at the moment at least, looks like they'll put a good challenge to Coast and Velocity in relegation? coL and TBD are the two major ones that come to mind. Possibly Denial eSports. The MOBA Fire stuff is a pretty good showcase of the current non-LCS scene. Curse Academy probably had a shot as well if they could get a real roster together. I still have no idea why Pobelter is no longer in it. Age. It seems like Curse Acad wants to make a run for LCS next split but I have no idea how that's going to work since NA organizations cannot have two teams in LCS.
It seems like from past splits once you earn a ticket to lcs it becomes pretty easy to find someone willing to pickup and sponsor your team.
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Is the lemon name secrecy just a huge troll, or is he named after lemonparty?
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On August 19 2013 03:44 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:14 SagaZ wrote: Meh, last split it was very apparent that quantic had an extremely good shot.at lcs qualification. Ves came out of nowhere to take the other spot. I dont remeber anyone having any faith in other teams except maybe for some fxo hype. This split no sure value like quantic so i really cant imagine a team to take a spot over in lcs. Evan as far behind the bottom team is, they should.be clear favorites against any non lcs teams Velocity are ex-Dirt Nap Gaming, they barely lost to Marn in the qualifications for the Spring Split and beat them in the relegation matches for the Summer split, that wasn't "coming out of nowhere" at all. Yes, I know who they were but still, at that point in time the best expectations gave them a 50/50 at best against marn.
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On August 19 2013 07:28 cLutZ wrote: Is the lemon name secrecy just a huge troll, or is he named after lemonparty? He intoned it was based off of something, in the similar way Sneaky Castro had ot be changed due to it being an explicit act.
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On August 19 2013 05:12 xes wrote: I'm not sure anyone is saying TBD is the next Cloud 9, but they also are definitely top of the amateur circuit, since most of their roster is ex-pros. But their record isn't fantastic either, westrice being benched since S2, half of the AL.NA team getting kicked out for stream cheating (and still losing) to Quantic/C9
I mean RobertxLee's best professional achievement was taking a single game off of MYM before MYM got good (and now MYM are still last in EU)
Also their mid laner is Arthelon \o/
well top of the amateur circuit is definitely debatable. at this time NWE is definitely better than them and coL is even with them probably. and AL stream cheated against GGU, not c9
but other than that i agree with you completely
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Whoops wrong thread sorry.
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