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Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
June 29 2013 23:22 GMT
#861
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 29 2013 23:22 GMT
#862
Yi was a really bad pick. Guess Dig was just like "huehuehue works vs TSM so must be good"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 29 2013 23:22 GMT
#863
Vulcan playing very tight. That's how you use a baron. Take some turret hits, hit the turret, you'll still be at full. Force a fight. That was an enjoyable game to watch.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 29 2013 23:23 GMT
#864
It's AP yi's last goodbye and vulcun just pissed on his grave. Good.
Glorious SEA doto
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
June 29 2013 23:23 GMT
#865
And this is what happens when a specific surprise-based play backfires. Wish Scarra would have just played ryze this game, save the Yi for another game with more killable targets. Like no doubt Vulcan studied the hell out of the Dig/TSM game and prepared a specific counterbuild.
Inno pls...
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 29 2013 23:23 GMT
#866
On June 30 2013 08:20 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:19 Nos- wrote:
Jatt was so utterly confused he didn't even know what to say


Jatt..?

I DERPED
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
June 29 2013 23:23 GMT
#867
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 23:27:35
June 29 2013 23:23 GMT
#868
Lissandra is such a great counter to Yi. I don't know if mancloud ever ulted scarra mid/late game, but being able to stun lock anyone and pretty much telling your team to blow that person up is just hell for Yi.

On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?

That's how you build ryze o.o. You get your two items which you need to build up which gives you the most mana first and then start building your tankier mana items. It just so happens that his two most mana heavy items also give AP. You don't want to start buying a rod/tears 20-30 minute into the game. I agree he maybe could have gotten an FH instead of finishing his seraphs but oh well.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
June 29 2013 23:24 GMT
#869
On June 30 2013 08:21 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:20 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Man. Vulcan is such a strange team... Smithie is considered "weak" but every game I've seen him in he puts a ton of pressure. ManCloud is ofc god, but Zuna and Sid are also really underwhelming. They don't look on paper to be a strong team but somehow their early game is always extremely strong with pressure and flashes everywhere, and then they ride that to the win.


Zuna has been out of position so many times, so he's basically been dead for all of their fights. It's Mancloud and Bloodwater doing amazing stuff with those ults.


Yeah but that's not just this game. It's EVERY game. It's just super strange to watch... They always have an advantage but it always seems like they got it in this really crazy way.

I guess that's what I mean. They're just a really scrappy team, and its weird that they can be consistently successful with that sorta style.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
June 29 2013 23:25 GMT
#870
lee needed to camp mid when scarra's flash was burned he should have known what j4 was going to do and theres nothing yi can do about it alone
OMG you nasty gurl
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 29 2013 23:25 GMT
#871
On June 30 2013 08:23 Nitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.


This isn't solo Q. You adapt your build to what your team needed. This game they needed some form of frontline to soak up damage for Yi resets. Going full damage doesn't offer them anything.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#872
On June 30 2013 08:24 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:21 ketchup wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:20 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Man. Vulcan is such a strange team... Smithie is considered "weak" but every game I've seen him in he puts a ton of pressure. ManCloud is ofc god, but Zuna and Sid are also really underwhelming. They don't look on paper to be a strong team but somehow their early game is always extremely strong with pressure and flashes everywhere, and then they ride that to the win.


Zuna has been out of position so many times, so he's basically been dead for all of their fights. It's Mancloud and Bloodwater doing amazing stuff with those ults.


Yeah but that's not just this game. It's EVERY game. It's just super strange to watch... They always have an advantage but it always seems like they got it in this really crazy way.

I guess that's what I mean. They're just a really scrappy team, and its weird that they can be consistently successful with that sorta style.

Mancloud and bloodwater are absurdly strong as playmakers, zuna/sid really don't often have to do much except follow up what mancloud and bloodwater set up and xmithie tends to find himself getting everything in position for mancloud/bloodwater.
Glorious SEA doto
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 23:28:58
June 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#873
On June 30 2013 08:25 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:23 Nitan wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.


This isn't solo Q. You adapt your build to what your team needed. This game they needed some form of frontline to soak up damage for Yi resets. Going full damage doesn't offer them anything.


How is Yi going to get the resets in the first place if Ryze isn't putting out damage?

On June 30 2013 08:26 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:23 Nitan wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.


I don't, and I would not have expected him to rush it. However at the end of the game he had not begun building a single defensive item and was the first one to be blown up just about every fight, contributing pretty much nothing but one snare to any of them.


Hmm...that was overly snarky. I apologize.

Kiwikid had no gold. Dig kept losing team fights with no kills and he couldn't split push. He had no money for defensive items.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
June 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#874
On June 30 2013 08:23 Nitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.


I don't, and I would not have expected him to rush it. However at the end of the game he had not begun building a single defensive item and was the first one to be blown up just about every fight, contributing pretty much nothing but one snare to any of them.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#875
On June 30 2013 08:24 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:21 ketchup wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:20 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Man. Vulcan is such a strange team... Smithie is considered "weak" but every game I've seen him in he puts a ton of pressure. ManCloud is ofc god, but Zuna and Sid are also really underwhelming. They don't look on paper to be a strong team but somehow their early game is always extremely strong with pressure and flashes everywhere, and then they ride that to the win.


Zuna has been out of position so many times, so he's basically been dead for all of their fights. It's Mancloud and Bloodwater doing amazing stuff with those ults.


Yeah but that's not just this game. It's EVERY game. It's just super strange to watch... They always have an advantage but it always seems like they got it in this really crazy way.

I guess that's what I mean. They're just a really scrappy team, and its weird that they can be consistently successful with that sorta style.

They try to out play their opponents, rather then waiting for their opponent to make a mistake. Like what Artosis said "Rely on yourself being better, not your opponent being worse." It is the proper way to play, though you need to actually have the skill to back it up (this is probably why koreans just run around the map shitting on people).
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
June 29 2013 23:27 GMT
#876
On June 30 2013 08:26 Nitan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:25 Numy wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:23 Nitan wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:22 Badboyrune wrote:
Can someone explain why kiwi went full glass cannon on ryze? Just for the resets for yi?


Do you not play Ryze? You don't rush Frozen Heart/Banshee's Veil.


This isn't solo Q. You adapt your build to what your team needed. This game they needed some form of frontline to soak up damage for Yi resets. Going full damage doesn't offer them anything.


How is Yi going to get the resets in the first place if Ryze isn't putting out damage?

I think the problem was picking Yi in the first place
phathom321
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1730 Posts
June 29 2013 23:28 GMT
#877
Dig really needed a different jungle champ there I think...not every jungle can pull the Insec plays on Lee and everytime Cumbz went in it was without his team and he failed to actually do anything except die :/
"Dying in the line of duty is heroic, but dying while unemployed is just stupid." -L
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 23:28:52
June 29 2013 23:28 GMT
#878
The team comp was terrible for Yi, too. Dig had a lot of on demand CC in the game vs TSM and totally lacked it this time. The desperate flash rune prison onto J4 and the ludicrous engages by Lee displayed this exactly.

Good night everyone. West coast events too late for me.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 29 2013 23:28 GMT
#879
Don't think Yi or Ryze was the problem, picking Lee when you don't have the mechanics to make a pick with Dragons rage is dubious at best. Not to mention everyone in the entire building including Rivington knew Jarvan would come back mid when Scarra's flash was down and Lee has more than enough early game damage to counter gank that.

A lot went wrong for them this game to be sure but I just can't get past that Lee pick.
Carrilord has arrived.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
June 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#880
On June 30 2013 08:24 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 08:21 ketchup wrote:
On June 30 2013 08:20 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Man. Vulcan is such a strange team... Smithie is considered "weak" but every game I've seen him in he puts a ton of pressure. ManCloud is ofc god, but Zuna and Sid are also really underwhelming. They don't look on paper to be a strong team but somehow their early game is always extremely strong with pressure and flashes everywhere, and then they ride that to the win.


Zuna has been out of position so many times, so he's basically been dead for all of their fights. It's Mancloud and Bloodwater doing amazing stuff with those ults.


Yeah but that's not just this game. It's EVERY game. It's just super strange to watch... They always have an advantage but it always seems like they got it in this really crazy way.

I guess that's what I mean. They're just a really scrappy team, and its weird that they can be consistently successful with that sorta style.


Scrappy is a good way to define their playstyle. It's why you can't really bet on them to perform the same way all the time. It's definitely weird because it's not something that usually works, and it shows when they play against stronger teams.
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