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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 28 2013 01:15 GMT
#1641
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


Ugh, I wish we'd seen the Caitlyn with Zhonya's on Karthus you were talking about. A 3 man dive onto that would've backfired so unbelievably hard.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
April 28 2013 01:16 GMT
#1642
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


no, usually it isn't
you snipe him and run away
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
April 28 2013 01:16 GMT
#1643
On April 28 2013 10:07 IshinShishi wrote:
ya, nasus was garbage, only diamondprox can play a proper utility nasus, everyone else should stick to the basics and farm his q, otherwise there's no point in picking nasus in the first place, that's why nasus is good, he scales tremendously into the late game, not this one though.


Nasus is ultra strong at early dragons, but with the fear of shen joining and zion having no teleport, they could never utilize this.

ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
April 28 2013 01:16 GMT
#1644
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


No, this is where we'll have to disagree. If a game is going for that late, that karthus passive is not enough to justify dying so early in a game that is pass the 45 minute mark especially when he dies out of position.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 01:20:28
April 28 2013 01:17 GMT
#1645
Crs putting their tourney life on Zac, which I've not seen Voy play much(and I watch his stream a decent amount, it's like my favorite background distraction while doing schoolwork).

Holy shit that press-R comp from Crs. That is some serious AoE disable.

Oh Saint is on the Zac, that makes a lot more sense.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
April 28 2013 01:18 GMT
#1646
Hook vs Hook
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 28 2013 01:18 GMT
#1647
So the finals spot goes down to which support is better at grabs.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 01:20:16
April 28 2013 01:18 GMT
#1648
On April 28 2013 10:15 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


Ugh, I wish we'd seen the Caitlyn with Zhonya's on Karthus you were talking about. A 3 man dive onto that would've backfired so unbelievably hard.

Yep yep. People complain about me having wild ideas but at least I have the ability to think outside the box enough to realize something as obviously powerful and synergetic as that.

In fact if Vlad used pool and Zhonyas near Jintae as well it's quite a bit of Defile dmg. Defile DPS is around half Fiddle ult DPS and then you add in Lay Waste ... Yep definitely don't think that kiting was the way to go at all.


In fact, I'm going to argue here that Cait "kiting" and getting 1-2 extra shots off would have been less overall damage than Cait flashing on top of Jintae and instantly dying.

On April 28 2013 10:16 Affenaffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


no, usually it isn't
you snipe him and run away

Dying early =/= for free. For example there's this item called Zhonyas Hourglass which is core on Kar..... oh wait he had none at 60min nvm
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 28 2013 01:19 GMT
#1649
On April 28 2013 10:18 Fionn wrote:
So the finals spot goes down to which support is better at grabs.


I don't actually like the blitzcrank hooking a kennen once his zhonyas is done, malphite, thresh or zac is just being "helpful" after a while varus feels like the only one where it won't just be a free initiation for crs.
Glorious SEA doto
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
April 28 2013 01:20 GMT
#1650
nice picks curse

i is confused
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 01:20:56
April 28 2013 01:20 GMT
#1651
On April 28 2013 10:18 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:15 Swords wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


Ugh, I wish we'd seen the Caitlyn with Zhonya's on Karthus you were talking about. A 3 man dive onto that would've backfired so unbelievably hard.

Yep yep. People complain about me having wild ideas but at least I have the ability to think outside the box enough to realize something as obviously powerful and synergetic as that.

In fact if Vlad used pool and Zhonyas near Jintae as well it's quite a bit of Defile dmg. Defile DPS is around half Fiddle ult DPS and then you add in Lay Waste ... Yep definitely don't think that kiting was the way to go at all.


In fact, I'm going to argue here that Cait "kiting" and getting 1-2 extra shots off would have been less overall damage than Cait flashing on top of Jintae and instantly dying.


People don't really complain about your ideas, it is how you present your ideas. That attitude needs work. I have nothing against your idea of hourglass on Caitlyn. I recall one of the older LCS game where I said the same thing for doublelift on vayne.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 28 2013 01:20 GMT
#1652
On April 28 2013 10:18 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:15 Swords wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


Ugh, I wish we'd seen the Caitlyn with Zhonya's on Karthus you were talking about. A 3 man dive onto that would've backfired so unbelievably hard.

Yep yep. People complain about me having wild ideas but at least I have the ability to think outside the box enough to realize something as obviously powerful and synergetic as that.

In fact if Vlad used pool and Zhonyas near Jintae as well it's quite a bit of Defile dmg. Defile DPS is around half Fiddle ult DPS and then you add in Lay Waste ... Yep definitely don't think that kiting was the way to go at all.


In fact, I'm going to argue here that Cait "kiting" and getting 1-2 extra shots off would have been less overall damage than Cait flashing on top of Jintae and instantly dying.


Maybe, but I think they'd be able to back off too quickly if she "instantly" died. If she has Zhonya's like you proposed though it's a whole different story. If Jintae gets Zhonya's too, then it's GG.

I still think the biggest problem was not taking a TP against Shen, every fight in the mid game was 4v5 and that's what lost GGU the gold lead in the first place.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 28 2013 01:20 GMT
#1653
Crs vs GGU

Bans:
Caitlyn                                Miss Fortune
Karthus                                Renekton
Jayce                                Shen

Picks:
Thresh                                Twisted Fate / Nocturne
Zac / Varus                                Blitzcrank / Ezreal
Malphite / Kennen                                Vladimir
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 28 2013 01:21 GMT
#1654
On April 28 2013 10:20 Affenaffe wrote:
nice picks curse

i is confused


It's the saintvicious s2 meta.Run at them and click r.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 28 2013 01:22 GMT
#1655
if GGU wins all the NA Allstar teams lost cept for TSM. Definitely liking curse's comp more though, Daydreaming can only really hook Cop, rest is free engage. And tf+Vlad is also kinda meh. No cc to assist tf ganks.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
April 28 2013 01:23 GMT
#1656
On April 28 2013 10:18 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:15 Swords wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


Ugh, I wish we'd seen the Caitlyn with Zhonya's on Karthus you were talking about. A 3 man dive onto that would've backfired so unbelievably hard.

Yep yep. People complain about me having wild ideas but at least I have the ability to think outside the box enough to realize something as obviously powerful and synergetic as that.

In fact if Vlad used pool and Zhonyas near Jintae as well it's quite a bit of Defile dmg. Defile DPS is around half Fiddle ult DPS and then you add in Lay Waste ... Yep definitely don't think that kiting was the way to go at all.


In fact, I'm going to argue here that Cait "kiting" and getting 1-2 extra shots off would have been less overall damage than Cait flashing on top of Jintae and instantly dying.

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:16 Affenaffe wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:10 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:07 ketchup wrote:
On April 28 2013 10:05 Shikyo wrote:
Also, did you guys notice that in almost every teamfight GGU always ran away from Karthus instead of trying to stay at the area? :/ Jintae's main is supposed to be Karthus so it's puzzling they don't know how to play with one.


That's a problem with Jintae dying in the wrong area. Caitlyn has to kite saintv, voyboy, AND evelynn, because they will dive for him 100%. There's a huge difference to the team fight when caitlyn's damage isn't in.

No she doesn't need to kite them. She's not going to get away. She should have just let them kill him near Jintae, no matter how you look at it.


No, that IS a problem with Jintae's positioning and him dying too early in the fight.

Karthus dying early is a GOOD thing.


no, usually it isn't
you snipe him and run away

Dying early =/= for free. For example there's this item called Zhonyas Hourglass which is core on Kar..... oh wait he had none at 60min nvm


yes but with zhonyas you DON'T die early =) karthus needs a hell of a lot of time to do his damage, he has about 0 burst
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 28 2013 01:25 GMT
#1657
Hmm well, the general response to my Zhonyas Hourglass on AD is "but you waste x thousand gold on useless stats oneoneone cost-efficiency, they need no ap..." when it's 101% for the active and nothing else and I've never seen progamers use it.



IIRC Jintae is the best TF in NA and Crs comp is really weird. Predicting GGU win.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 28 2013 01:26 GMT
#1658
OMg jintae turning arond to lock voy under turret but locks redcard instead

Na tf opop
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 28 2013 01:26 GMT
#1659
On April 28 2013 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
Hmm well, the general response to my Zhonyas Hourglass on AD is "but you waste x thousand gold on useless stats oneoneone cost-efficiency, they need no ap..." when it's 101% for the active and nothing else and I've never seen progamers use it.



IIRC Jintae is the best TF in NA and Crs comp is really weird. Predicting GGU win.

It's like an anti-Blitz comp. Anyone besides Cop is either tanky or has an AoE ult that can punish the pull. I like it.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
April 28 2013 01:26 GMT
#1660
On April 28 2013 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
IIRC Jintae is the best TF in NA

I'm not impressed, he missed the gold card on the first rotation on that first gank. Voyboy would have died if he didn't.
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