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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:15 Ketara wrote: Cops end game Tristana build was over the ASPD cap with Q on, not even counting Jarvans aspd buff. Kind of surprising to see pro players make blatant mathematical build mistakes like that. I thought atk speed had diminishing return already, how can there be a hard cap? | ||
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:15 Redox wrote: I think their skill is pretty similar but Zuna just has more balls. Zuna is made of balls. Teenager's balls specifically, which explains why they sometimes make him go full retard. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:16 Caphe wrote: Cop plays ADC just like a casual player. His rule is hitting the one that closest to him. But in professional play knowing how to position yourself to get the most out of your damage is really crucial. Zuna is actively looking for target to hit when being safe himself. Cop is like A move the closest target and thats it. To be fair zuna's balls have sometimes gotten him killed but cop really does need to be more ambitous especially on a late game trist you can't just be a pussy about it when you're really the team's best shot at carrying. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:17 nosliw wrote: I thought atk speed had diminishing return already, how can there be a hard cap? 2.5 hard cap on AS. You can't have more then 2.5 attacks/S. Try stacking AS. Trist reaches it with BotRK and PD already. The issue is that Nasus wither makes that all meaningless, and Zephyr was a response to try and mitigate the amount of AS slows that Nasus puts out. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:17 IshinShishi wrote: gotta take frozen heart into consideration. Even counting frozen heart his Zephyr was only giving him 20% aspd (same as boots were), and counting Jarvans flag buff the Zephyr wasn't giving any aspd at all. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote: Even counting frozen heart his Zephyr was only giving him 20% aspd (same as boots were), and counting Jarvans flag buff the Zephyr wasn't giving any aspd at all. I think he primarily wanted the tenacity because of wither. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:17 Fwmeh wrote: I think curse did the right thing early, using the fact that saint and voy could exert dominance over sid and xmithie. Didn't get far enough ahead though Should've used a harder carry top, honestly. Renek just couldn't scale it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:17 nosliw wrote: I thought atk speed had diminishing return already, how can there be a hard cap? There's no (soft) cap, and by "diminishing returns" it means that 20% AS if relatively stronger the less levels and items you have (Zerkers are really nice early on when you're like level 5 and have no AS yet from levels, but when you're level 18 they represent a largely smaller % of your total AS). | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:21 Alaric wrote: There's no cap, and by "diminishing returns" it means that 20% AS if relatively stronger the less levels and items you have (Zerkers are really nice early on when you're like level 5 and have no AS yet from levels, but when you're level 18 they represent a largely smaller % of your total AS). ...but there is. 2.5 AS. I reach it all the time on Trist. It's the first or second sentence on your link, actually. EDIT: second. Attack speed caps at 2.5 attacks per second, or 1 attack every two fifths of a second. EDITEDIT: Just saw your edit. That is correct :s | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:20 Fusilero wrote: I think he primarily wanted the tenacity because of wither. Selling the boots for the Zephyr makes sense, the bad item is the Phantom Dancer. Trist should be getting a Ghostblade or a Shiv or a BT instead. PD just mathematically not a good item on her if you're getting BotRK. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:21 Alaric wrote: There's no (soft) cap, and by "diminishing returns" it means that 20% AS if relatively stronger the less levels and items you have (Zerkers are really nice early on when you're like level 5 and have no AS yet from levels, but when you're level 18 they represent a largely smaller % of your total AS). I like how the link you gave says that there is a 2.5 attack speed cap in the second sentence. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:20 wei2coolman wrote: lol, need to ban out bloodwaters sona. he single handidly won that one for vulcan. He has a good Thresh too. I think we all need to remember Rhux constantly hooking only Xmithie and Saint deciding "yes, I want to initiate on this." | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:25 IshinShishi wrote: I think these guys need to sit down and do some math anyway, seeing genja go double BT on varus was just cringeworthy. You mean double BT on everything ever. | ||
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LeapofFaith
United States446 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 29 2013 07:24 O-ops wrote: I like how the link you gave says that there is a 2.5 attack speed cap in the second sentence. He meant soft cap (like MS which makes additional MS after certain points worth less and less). There's just diminishing returns on AS as you level (since levels give %AS not base AS), and the more %AS you have, the less more is worth. Multiplicative scaling on autoattacks mang. | ||
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