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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 17:04:26
April 18 2013 17:02 GMT
#561
On April 18 2013 13:01 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Recap of ggu vs crs game?

Relatively passive early game. Curse came out far ahead in a dragon fight and pushes down towers. However Zionspartan's Riven got fed and splitpushed bot, forcing Voy to be bot but Voy's Khazix was weaker 1v1. Curse could never push into GGU's base 4v4. Curse has most of the map pressure and uses it to take a what would be a free baron but Nintentude steals it. The baron steal and the 20 minutes of stalemate shifts the game in GGU's momentum. By this time, people are at 6 items. Curse loses a huge fight when GGU pushes down mid, while Curse was posturing around baron, and the game ends.

tl;dr Curse hit a brickwall when trying to push their advantage. Everyone farms up to late game status. Curse loses late game teamfight and loses game.

I disagree on a few analysis points: Riven wasn't really fed - 1 kill, 2 deaths - but had gotten the chance to outfarm Voyboy when Voy teleported away, and also his dueling presence was significantly stronger because of ignite instead of teleport. Voyboy wasn't just weaker, he couldn't even hold at turret against Zion's overfarmed splitpushing Riven.

This gave a tremendous amount of map pressure to GGU, because Voyboy couldn't teleport away without them taking massive losses on their bottom lane structures (nevermind Riven having two ways to interrupt a teleport). Zion took the bottom inner turret WHILE voyboy defended it, and eventually took the inhibitor turret, which was a huge map pressure problem for Curse.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 18 2013 17:37 GMT
#562
i just saw the results and my thoughts:

TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
April 18 2013 17:43 GMT
#563
On April 19 2013 02:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 13:01 caelym wrote:
On April 18 2013 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Recap of ggu vs crs game?

Relatively passive early game. Curse came out far ahead in a dragon fight and pushes down towers. However Zionspartan's Riven got fed and splitpushed bot, forcing Voy to be bot but Voy's Khazix was weaker 1v1. Curse could never push into GGU's base 4v4. Curse has most of the map pressure and uses it to take a what would be a free baron but Nintentude steals it. The baron steal and the 20 minutes of stalemate shifts the game in GGU's momentum. By this time, people are at 6 items. Curse loses a huge fight when GGU pushes down mid, while Curse was posturing around baron, and the game ends.

tl;dr Curse hit a brickwall when trying to push their advantage. Everyone farms up to late game status. Curse loses late game teamfight and loses game.

I disagree on a few analysis points: Riven wasn't really fed - 1 kill, 2 deaths - but had gotten the chance to outfarm Voyboy when Voy teleported away, and also his dueling presence was significantly stronger because of ignite instead of teleport. Voyboy wasn't just weaker, he couldn't even hold at turret against Zion's overfarmed splitpushing Riven.

This gave a tremendous amount of map pressure to GGU, because Voyboy couldn't teleport away without them taking massive losses on their bottom lane structures (nevermind Riven having two ways to interrupt a teleport). Zion took the bottom inner turret WHILE voyboy defended it, and eventually took the inhibitor turret, which was a huge map pressure problem for Curse.

Riven scales so hard she doesn't take much.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 18 2013 18:04 GMT
#564
why the good games last, sad Euro

^^
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
April 18 2013 18:19 GMT
#565
On April 19 2013 03:04 AsnSensation wrote:
why the good games last, sad Euro

^^

'cause YubTub and work schedules.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 19:25:20
April 18 2013 19:20 GMT
#566
On April 19 2013 02:02 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 13:01 caelym wrote:
On April 18 2013 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Recap of ggu vs crs game?

Relatively passive early game. Curse came out far ahead in a dragon fight and pushes down towers. However Zionspartan's Riven got fed and splitpushed bot, forcing Voy to be bot but Voy's Khazix was weaker 1v1. Curse could never push into GGU's base 4v4. Curse has most of the map pressure and uses it to take a what would be a free baron but Nintentude steals it. The baron steal and the 20 minutes of stalemate shifts the game in GGU's momentum. By this time, people are at 6 items. Curse loses a huge fight when GGU pushes down mid, while Curse was posturing around baron, and the game ends.

tl;dr Curse hit a brickwall when trying to push their advantage. Everyone farms up to late game status. Curse loses late game teamfight and loses game.

I disagree on a few analysis points: Riven wasn't really fed - 1 kill, 2 deaths - but had gotten the chance to outfarm Voyboy when Voy teleported away, and also his dueling presence was significantly stronger because of ignite instead of teleport. Voyboy wasn't just weaker, he couldn't even hold at turret against Zion's overfarmed splitpushing Riven.

This gave a tremendous amount of map pressure to GGU, because Voyboy couldn't teleport away without them taking massive losses on their bottom lane structures (nevermind Riven having two ways to interrupt a teleport). Zion took the bottom inner turret WHILE voyboy defended it, and eventually took the inhibitor turret, which was a huge map pressure problem for Curse.

notice how your post on voy vs zion is the same length as my entire summary. I was just going for a quick summary, which will inevitably include some generalizations.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 19:53:05
April 18 2013 19:48 GMT
#567
Well, you said that Curse had all the map pressure when GGU had a shitton of map pressure created by Zion.

On April 19 2013 02:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 02:02 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 18 2013 13:01 caelym wrote:
On April 18 2013 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Recap of ggu vs crs game?

Relatively passive early game. Curse came out far ahead in a dragon fight and pushes down towers. However Zionspartan's Riven got fed and splitpushed bot, forcing Voy to be bot but Voy's Khazix was weaker 1v1. Curse could never push into GGU's base 4v4. Curse has most of the map pressure and uses it to take a what would be a free baron but Nintentude steals it. The baron steal and the 20 minutes of stalemate shifts the game in GGU's momentum. By this time, people are at 6 items. Curse loses a huge fight when GGU pushes down mid, while Curse was posturing around baron, and the game ends.

tl;dr Curse hit a brickwall when trying to push their advantage. Everyone farms up to late game status. Curse loses late game teamfight and loses game.

I disagree on a few analysis points: Riven wasn't really fed - 1 kill, 2 deaths - but had gotten the chance to outfarm Voyboy when Voy teleported away, and also his dueling presence was significantly stronger because of ignite instead of teleport. Voyboy wasn't just weaker, he couldn't even hold at turret against Zion's overfarmed splitpushing Riven.

This gave a tremendous amount of map pressure to GGU, because Voyboy couldn't teleport away without them taking massive losses on their bottom lane structures (nevermind Riven having two ways to interrupt a teleport). Zion took the bottom inner turret WHILE voyboy defended it, and eventually took the inhibitor turret, which was a huge map pressure problem for Curse.

Riven scales so hard she doesn't take much.


It's not so much that she scales overall (she's pretty solid on scaling, but her late game isn't something terrifying unless she's been snowballing) but that her core item (Bloodthirster) is SO important to her, and there's no way that Kha'zix running teleport and spending money on a tear can fight Riven with a bloodthirster and ignite.

Zion basically got to "snowball" without actually being ahead in gold due to the summoner spell and item choices made by Voyboy, combined with Riven already being moderately difficult to 1v1. He then pressed that advantage, and got significantly further ahead of voyboy. Nobody else on Curse besides Voyboy was on a champion with strong 1v1 at all, so Riven's splitpushing just caved them in.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 18 2013 20:02 GMT
#568
TEEEEESSSSSMMMMM

Dat top 2 spot. We got it!
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 18 2013 20:13 GMT
#569
Darn, the EU all star team... Is fine otherwise but yellowpete is completely out of place <.< How did he end up winning anyway
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
April 18 2013 20:15 GMT
#570
On April 19 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Darn, the EU all star team... Is fine otherwise but yellowpete is completely out of place <.< How did he end up winning anyway


genja was first but only 3 players from each team can go.

popularity due to his team.

eu doesn't have a star ad player that outweighs team popularity.

DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 20:21:35
April 18 2013 20:17 GMT
#571
On April 19 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Darn, the EU all star team... Is fine otherwise but yellowpete is completely out of place <.< How did he end up winning anyway

Genja won, but the 3-per-team-rule made the runner-up qualify, which was Yellowpete. And I think it's a good choice, fielding a safe bottom laner alongside Edward - Yellowstar and Candypanda could have been other reasonable choices on about the same level. Hosan offers more aggression, but you never know how that'll pan out against the best of the best players, amongst which I'd never count him.

I think it's pretty sad to send three members of the same team to such an event (especially if they haven't been brutally dominating) but well, let's see what happens. Depending on who represents Korea and China, they might co-operate to reduce the number of qualifying teams from their respective regions to make World Finals easier

Edit: Yes, I realize I sound like (and am) a butthurt fnatic fan that would have rather seen xPeke, the star performer of LCS up to now, on the Allstar team
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 18 2013 20:17 GMT
#572
On April 19 2013 05:15 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 05:13 Shikyo wrote:
Darn, the EU all star team... Is fine otherwise but yellowpete is completely out of place <.< How did he end up winning anyway


genja was first but only 3 players from each team can go.

popularity due to his team.

eu doesn't have a star ad player that outweighs team popularity.


So where's the decision to let xpeke go instead of alex ich so that we get a really good team ><
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
April 18 2013 20:18 GMT
#573
my opinion on NA vs EU All Stars lineup:
Dyrus = Soaz
Saint = Diamond
Scarra < Alex
Doublelift + Xpecial > Yellowpete + Edward
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 18 2013 20:22 GMT
#574
Saint=Diamond? k
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2013 20:23 GMT
#575
Yeah, Diamond is better than Saint.

Also EU Bot lane > NA Bot lane if Edward decides to carry huehuehue
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
April 18 2013 20:24 GMT
#576
On April 19 2013 05:22 AsnSensation wrote:
Saint=Diamond? k


Yeah Diamond is by far the better jungler
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 18 2013 20:24 GMT
#577
Twitch + Evelynn........

....

Well, at least their picks aren't very visible
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 20:34:21
April 18 2013 20:26 GMT
#578
LCS North America Week #10
Vulcun Command
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Team MRN

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Twisted Fate
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People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 20:28:08
April 18 2013 20:26 GMT
#579
MRN doesn't have a lot of frontline to protect Twitch. Going to be a hard game for Nien - MRN definitely has a window of opportunity midgame, when Tristana isn't all that good and Ryze isn't at full potential yet, but they definitely need to not fall behind early, or Vulcun will stall through their vulnerable period easily
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 18 2013 20:27 GMT
#580
Pls don't make eve jungle popular again mrn my lack of attention against eve jungle will make me cry in yolo queue.
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