EPT[NA LCS] Week 8 - Page 22
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Nilitsu
Canada442 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Well played by them. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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daSilvaz
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On April 05 2013 07:39 Caphe wrote: Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled. Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:40 FragtaLe wrote: After watching OGN, this is just... You know according to DoubleLift, NA is on par with Korea. What are you talking about?  On April 05 2013 07:42 daSilvaz wrote: Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix Voyboy was light years behind Zion. And GGU will beat Curse 4v4 since the Elise is really strong and can clean up really well while with only Volibear there is no one to dive Caitlyn which is also ahead of MF. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:39 Caphe wrote: Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled. that would not have worked at all, while voy couldn't 1v1 kha, he wasn't going to die and could hold (he did this like all game). GGU is saccing more teamfight power than Curse meanwhile if you dance around vs fed veigar eventually you are gonna just get someone picked and blown up, and without khazix GGU didn't have enough poke to poke Curse down | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:41 Tula wrote: Must admit curse can turtle like nobody else in season 3. GGU had a nice lead (even if it was never "absurd" or game closing) but Curse stopped them from Snowballing and defended like a boss until they got the one fight they needed. Well played by them. What? Nothing to do with Curse, GGU refused to snowball it, they never were assertive with their sieges, and their wave management was pretty bad: they lost two drakes because somebody was elsewhere pushing despite them having the timer (first one was mashme running top as Cait to kill ~10 creeps with only 10s on drake's timer then all of Curse get 190 free gold a piece, don't remembe who it was the second time). They wanted to keep lanes pushed, I'm fine with it, but they never did it well enough so the waves kept pushing back pretty fast, getting minimal damage on the towers, and then they just stopped doing it. At least twice GGU wanted to push mid, then just gave up once they reached Curse's inner tower because top and bot would be pushed up to GGU's own inner towers, both bot and top. On April 05 2013 07:42 daSilvaz wrote: Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix Irelia actually becomes weaker after her midgame spike because of the true damage nature of Hiten Style: it doesn't scale with anything else than CDR (it's a luxury stat on her) and AS (she couldn't afford to focus on it), so as long as Kha'Zix doesn't get destroyed in that 6s timing he'll win. Zionspartan was so ahead of Voyboy that the situation where Hiten Style would threaten him never arose, while he had the power to poke and 1v1 Irelia anytime (Kha'Zix has one of the strongest 1v1 dps of the game thanks to his ult, possible bush jukes to renew his passive, short cooldown and isolation bonus on Q, and ability to just stack AD for autos). | ||
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:42 Caphe wrote: You know according to DoubleLift, NA is on par with Korea. What are you talking about? Voyboy was light years behind Zion. And GGU will beat Curse 4v4 since the Elise is really strong and can clean up really well while with only Volibear there is no one to dive Caitlyn which is also ahead of MF. Lol whoever reads that without seeing the game thinks it was a 6 item khazix vs a 3 item irelia :O | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:47 sob3k wrote: that would not have worked at all, while voy couldn't 1v1 kha, he wasn't going to die and could hold (he did this like all game). GGU is saccing more teamfight power than Curse meanwhile if you dance around vs fed veigar eventually you are gonna just get someone picked and blown up, and without khazix GGU didn't have enough poke to poke Curse down You didnt consider the fact that GGU has control on the Baron area, there is a chance that Curse will make a mistake. That game was just the 2 teams waiting for the other one to make a mistake and GGU made the mistake that they would have avoided. I mean everyone jump on a Volibear? Srsly... | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
Terribly disappointed by CLG. They only had one match to prepare, and then go for a Level 1 fight with those champion lineups. Also, not laneswapping might have been a mistake - Varus/Zyra will bully Thresh/Twitch usually, especially with their advantage, Hotshot's lane was lost anyway, and Kha'Zix could have been prevented from grabbing all that nice free farm. But they didn't, so Hotshot gets himself killed 1v1 at level 1, and then camped hardcore - still made it back into the game. Then donates free Baron to coL because he has to showboat and can't teleport out. Chauster camps for botlane, gets nothing done, has nearly zero impact all game, then does this Baron move that will surely find it's way into this season's top 10 fails. DLift throws the probably deciding teamfight by Woong-flashing into the enemy team to finish off Pr0lly even though CLG was already clear, split up and exactly knew where the coL members where (also had fairly questionable positioning for the last fight, but the game was over at that point anyway). I'd talk about Aphromoo, too, but I didn't see him do anything all game... To me, Link and Hotshot looked their usual selves, but with Chauster underperforming and Dlift not managing to convert a 4-1 start into a better midgame, CLG is not going to go far this season...also, the claims as to DLift being a top 2 AD carry should really be revised by now, he's been losing lane and game far too frequently recently, and you can't blame all of that on his team. coL surprised me, really - their usual throw wasn't quite as hard as usual :o. There's that whole Baron shebang, and MeyeA failing to kill the nexus, but I'll pin those down as giving CLG another chance at life. But unless they finally fix their shot calling mistakes, they're not going to avoid relegation. On a sidenote, I'm usually quite appreciative of Jatt, but his commentary was about as horrendous as the game. Acknowledging CLG botched the Level 1 fight terribly, but then talking up the team all game long, berating coL on their lack of skill etc. Just waaaay too partial for my taste. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Side note, I'm interested to see how well Vulcan does with Bloodwater on the team. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:04 overt wrote: Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS.. Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik. I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way. Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:13 Amarok wrote: Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik. I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way. Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle. He tried, couldnt overcome the skillshot that taunt is. | ||
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