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On March 18 2013 10:26 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:23 xes wrote:On March 18 2013 10:08 caelym wrote:On March 18 2013 09:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I thought that Gambit looked the stronger team all game do you even play this game? irony.gif i think looking at gold when making conclusions is an interesting statistical approach. but i see it similar to looking at supply leads in starcraft, they tell a part of the story but not all of it. i think ktb looked stronger the last game. this game gambit. both teams are well matched against one another.
I thought the gold lead was pretty accurate in game 1, that was a close game until ~50k lvl3 shen and kayle ult cd timers caught up to them which, to your point, had nothing to do with gold. The last 3-4 teamfights were basically decided by immortal carries on the part of kt b, not pickoffs due to bad map vision or just lopsided due to items.
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Man Summday played uncharacteristically poor this game. GG exploited that every step along the way. Also very confused about KT B's picks because it looks like they had no real plan for late game. GG looked monstrous that game. Only odd plays were on Darien's side ...
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On March 18 2013 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:08 kongoline wrote:On March 18 2013 10:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 10:05 kongoline wrote:
yep udyr is still good and pretty much unbeatable in melee 1v1 no idea why people say hes trash Lack of gap closer and easily kite-able are the usual arguments. Thresh helps level out these weaknesses. you can say the same about voli and nasus The difference is that Voli has a 425 range slow +melee flip instead of a melee stun and he also has a 45% movespeed boost, whereas Udyr only has a 15-27%% movespeed boost. Nasus has a 700-800 range slow, which is arguably the strongest single-target slow in the game. All three can be kited pretty hard, but carries with built-in escapes aren't as prominent as they used to be in competitive play now.
none of them has clear speed or sheer 1v1 power of udyr tho(also sick for 2v2 skirmishes), i would argue that udyr is also the tankies one and spammable stun is pretty neat to stop things like mf ult etc
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On March 18 2013 08:57 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 08:48 GeorgeForeman wrote:On March 18 2013 07:32 misirlou wrote:
So, according to rivington, reginald gets level 5 q on Oriana before/at level 8. Rivington is an awful caster. He's just not very good at his job. 50% of the time, what he says is flat wrong. The other 50% is uninteresting and/or reciting what's on the screen. ("And there are Cop and Elementz in the bottom lane" No shit, guy. Their names are floating above their heads. If you don't have anything useful to say, it's way better to just keep you gob shut.) And there's a 100% chance that he'll say it with a weird intonation that makes him sound like he's on the nightly news, wrapping up a report from the field. It feels like after every sentence, he's about to say, "From MLG Dallas, this is Rivington III for Riot News." It's not that I wish ill on the guy, but common, man. Take some pride in your work. You've been doing this for at least a year now, and it feels like you've gotten worse, not better. Go watch Day[9] and Artosis is you want to see how to inject intelligent analysis into a game. Go watch DJ Wheat if you want to see how to make a useful cast without being a top tier analyst. Just do something so I don't want to scratch out my earballs when you're casting a game. :-( Disagree here. 99% of everything that all the LoL casters say is nothing new for an old player and that's fine because I don't listen to them to teach me how to improve my game. I listen to them to make the match I'm watching more exciting and Rivington happens to be pretty good at this. It doesn't bother me in the slightest when someone gets a name or a minor fact wrong, I find it way more annoying when a caster takes 30 seconds to explain something super obvious (Tom and Quikshot generally do this). Of course I'd love it if more casters were as knowledgebale as Jatt or Kobe, but it's unfair to compare LoL to SC in this matter. The game is simply too new to have a pool of ex-pro & semipro players to draw casters from.
What I got from this is they could hook a mike up to a monkey and shock him at the appropriate times and it would be as effective as Rivington. ("Looks like there's going to be a big fight. Time to warm up 'ole sparky!") And I'm not saying he needs to add insight. He just needs to not subtract insight by saying dumb stuff or stuff that's flat wrong. I'm not pro at his game. I'm actually pretty shitty at it. But it doesn't take a lot of knowledge to see pressure being applied in one place sucking in extra players, allowing for ganks and shit in other lanes.
Literally, LoL casts would be improved by 38% is instead of saying pointless/untrue things, the casters were just silent. Or just stopped calling mundane things like uncontested dragon smites "amazing". Yeesh.
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On March 18 2013 10:29 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:26 Navi wrote:On March 18 2013 10:23 xes wrote:On March 18 2013 10:08 caelym wrote:On March 18 2013 09:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I thought that Gambit looked the stronger team all game do you even play this game? irony.gif i think looking at gold when making conclusions is an interesting statistical approach. but i see it similar to looking at supply leads in starcraft, they tell a part of the story but not all of it. i think ktb looked stronger the last game. this game gambit. both teams are well matched against one another. I thought the gold lead was pretty accurate in game 1, that was a close game until ~50k lvl3 shen and kayle ult cd timers caught up to them which, to your point, had nothing to do with gold. The last 3-4 teamfights were basically decided by immortal carries on the part of kt b, not pickoffs due to bad map vision or just lopsided due to items.
Game 1 wasn't close at all. KTR B had map control and dictated fights the entire game. Gold count was close only because Gambit is really good at farming.
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On March 18 2013 10:36 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:29 Slusher wrote:On March 18 2013 10:26 Navi wrote:On March 18 2013 10:23 xes wrote:On March 18 2013 10:08 caelym wrote:On March 18 2013 09:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I thought that Gambit looked the stronger team all game do you even play this game? irony.gif i think looking at gold when making conclusions is an interesting statistical approach. but i see it similar to looking at supply leads in starcraft, they tell a part of the story but not all of it. i think ktb looked stronger the last game. this game gambit. both teams are well matched against one another. I thought the gold lead was pretty accurate in game 1, that was a close game until ~50k lvl3 shen and kayle ult cd timers caught up to them which, to your point, had nothing to do with gold. The last 3-4 teamfights were basically decided by immortal carries on the part of kt b, not pickoffs due to bad map vision or just lopsided due to items. Game 1 wasn't close at all. KTR B had map control and dictated fights the entire game. Gold count was close only because Gambit is really good at farming.
And took dragons, and contested buffs and you know play the game very well.
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On March 18 2013 10:35 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:29 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 18 2013 10:08 kongoline wrote:On March 18 2013 10:06 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 10:05 kongoline wrote:
yep udyr is still good and pretty much unbeatable in melee 1v1 no idea why people say hes trash Lack of gap closer and easily kite-able are the usual arguments. Thresh helps level out these weaknesses. you can say the same about voli and nasus The difference is that Voli has a 425 range slow +melee flip instead of a melee stun and he also has a 45% movespeed boost, whereas Udyr only has a 15-27%% movespeed boost. Nasus has a 700-800 range slow, which is arguably the strongest single-target slow in the game. All three can be kited pretty hard, but carries with built-in escapes aren't as prominent as they used to be in competitive play now. none of them has clear speed or sheer 1v1 power of udyr tho, i would argue that udyr is also the tankies one and spammable stun is pretty neat to stop things like mf ult etc
No one is arguing against uydr's tankiness, 1v1 power or clear speed. I think most people just feel uydr's kitability outweights those factors compared to voli or nasus. I think nasus's clear speed and tankiness(with ult) is almost on parity with uydr.
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I feel like Diamond just sits in a dungeon all day plotting which Jungler he wants to be the FOTM, with his eventual goal of all junglers being nerfed so Lee Sin can once again be king.
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The way casters work currently is essentially one shout caster, and a knowledgeable person to explain things. This is how it works in professional sports (except they only have the shout caster because people might be listening on the radio). Right now LoL has two shout casters, and no one to critcally explain mistakes or better plays. Tastetosis had tasteless with the shout casting and artosis with the indepth.
If they got an intelligent person casting, they could teach players what they should be doing and it would increase the overall play.
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On March 18 2013 10:41 cLutZ wrote:
I feel like Diamond just sits in a dungeon all day plotting which Jungler he wants to be the FOTM, with his eventual goal of all junglers being nerfed so Lee Sin can once again be king.
Seems reasonable.
I feel that Zed might just come back to bite them..
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On March 18 2013 10:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The way casters work currently is essentially one shout caster, and a knowledgeable person to explain things. This is how it works in professional sports (except they only have the shout caster because people might be listening on the radio). Right now LoL has two shout casters, and no one to critcally explain mistakes or better plays. Tastetosis had tasteless with the shout casting and artosis with the indepth.
If they got an intelligent person casting, they could teach players what they should be doing and it would increase the overall play.
Jatt is pretty good for analysis.
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Think GG has this because of experience but I'm very impressed by KT B's showing. They are going to be monsters once they develop.
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On March 18 2013 10:42 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The way casters work currently is essentially one shout caster, and a knowledgeable person to explain things. This is how it works in professional sports (except they only have the shout caster because people might be listening on the radio). Right now LoL has two shout casters, and no one to critcally explain mistakes or better plays. Tastetosis had tasteless with the shout casting and artosis with the indepth.
If they got an intelligent person casting, they could teach players what they should be doing and it would increase the overall play. Jatt is pretty good for analysis.
No. He analyzes things after the fact. He needs to be explaining things before they happen. And he spends most of his time shout casting also.
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lee vs udyr omg battle of s2 jungle gods
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And finally a support Elise! Heard it was played quite a bit in Korea, but never got to see it in action
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On March 18 2013 10:45 kongoline wrote:
lee vs udyr omg battle of s2 jungle gods
Somewhere someplace s1 king Warwick is crying..
Support spider lady, I am curious.
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I am fucking excited to see insec on lee
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On March 18 2013 10:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:42 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 10:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The way casters work currently is essentially one shout caster, and a knowledgeable person to explain things. This is how it works in professional sports (except they only have the shout caster because people might be listening on the radio). Right now LoL has two shout casters, and no one to critcally explain mistakes or better plays. Tastetosis had tasteless with the shout casting and artosis with the indepth.
If they got an intelligent person casting, they could teach players what they should be doing and it would increase the overall play. Jatt is pretty good for analysis. No. He analyzes things after the fact. He needs to be explaining things before they happen. And he spends most of his time shout casting also.
I honestly think Riot coaches them to do this, and I have no idea why. Do people honestly prefer incoherent blather to... well, something coherent? I'm not saying they need to be brilliant here. I'd just like normal sentence structure. Why is the phrasing always, "And 2 for three is how that exchange is going to go," instead "The exchange went three for two."? One is clunky and phrased in a way that NO ONE uses. The other is normal and clear.
I mean, at this point, I'm not talking about analysis so much as "being good at speaking the language you're paid to speak in".
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